My 9/11 experience and why I'm worried about the new threats

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I wrote this on a cruise meets thread a few years ago when I was very upset and everything just came pouring out. I wanted to share to explain why some people (me) are worried about the new threats that are on the news. It's graphic and long without proper paragraphs, so you may want to pass on reading it.

I didn't take a picture of the lights last night...I ended up getting very upset because I got a phone call from a friend who's daughter was severely traumatized by seeing people jumping. We were on the phone for 2 hours. I remember dropping the kids to school that morning, and then going to church, a usual day. After church, when I went outside, I saw one of our priests looking up at the sky, and there was a huge black/red cloud. No one knew what it was, but we knew there was obviously a big fire. I walked to mt car and my cell phone rang. It was Mel from work, asking me where I was and telling me to get home fast. I thought something had happened to one of my kids, his voice was frantic. I kept screaming into the phone "what happened???" He said a plane hit one of the towers, get home and put on the news and call him back. I raced home and saw on the news the fire and chaos. I tried to call Mel, but the landlines were dead. I then got a call on my cell from a neighbor at work two blocks away from the towers, begging me to go to the school and get her 3 kids out. Then I got another call from another friend at work asking the same thing, she was hysterical crying. That's when I thought of my kids and started to panic. I rushed to the elementary school, Jesse was in 4th grade there. The school was jammed with parents, crying, scared to death. The school handled it so well, writing down the names of the kids being called for, handing out the papers to school staff, and they went to collect the kids. I ended up taking 7 kids out, including my Jesse. I got a call telling me not to come into work, as I worked in Queens and they said the bridges were all closed. I got the kids in the car, they were all confused, seeing the big blsck cloud that was starting to smell like smokeeverywhere. I rushed to Chad's high school, but they closed off the blocks around the school to all traffic. Police said that all the kids were let out and told to go right home or to any church close to home if they didn't have a house key and if no one was home. The city busses weren't running in order to keep the streets clear for police. Oh my God, where was Chad? I followed the route that I thought he'd walk to get home, a very long walk. I got all the way home and saw people putting American flags out in front of their houses and buildings. That's when I realized we were under attack. A neighbor saw me crying and juggling the kids and looking around for Chad. "He's home, he's in the house," she shouted. Her husband was getting on his motor cycle to drive downtown to get their child out of school, he took the motorcyle because the police were trying to keep cars off the streets. I ran in the house, when I left earlier I didn't even close the door I was so in a panic. Chad had been trying to call me but the land phones were still dead. Mel called my cell again, he was on the roof of his work building and he watched the second plane hit the other tower. I later found out that my nephew, Cory's brother, also saw it hit, his class looking out their school window. I kept gtting cell calls, from friends, from my family upstate worried sick about us, everyone in disbelief even while we saw it happening before our eyes. I then remembered my friend's husband who worked on the 82nd floor of tower 1. I thought my heart stopped. I threw some cereal in bowls and sent the kids down into the basement to watch vidoe cartoons and I put the tv news back on. They were scared that the smoke was going to get them, I explained a little that there was a plane crash and we're ok.

My brother came and dropped his kids with me and went back to work, he worked with mentally disabled people and he was needed there. My SIL was in the same situation. My brother said his friend Firefighter David DiRubbrio was on his way with his unit to fight the fire and do rescue. This was the man who taught Jesse and Cory how to ride a two-wheeled bike a few years before. He died when the buildings fell. So did Firefighter John Scaldoni, a man who lived on my block, but I never really got to know him, and Tim Stackpole who was a firefighter and member of my church. He survived severe burns from a fire in 1999 only to die on 9/11 leaving behind 5 small children.

I watched the tv, went outside to look at the black sky, back to the tv, back and forth. The streets were filled with people not knowing what to do or say. Mel called again, and as I was on the phone with him, I watched the first tower crumble down. I remember asking him "is that happening, is that happening right now???????" I could hear Mel's co-workers still on the roof shouting holy **** the building just fell, it's gone!! Then my cell went dead. I ran and got the charger, but there was still no signal. My elderly neighbor who lived alonecame over, she didn't want to be alone, and when the building was falling on tv, she put her hands up to the TV as if to stop it from falling. It was surreal. Then the false reports of bomb scares started hitting the news. Get out of the post offices, get out of the malls, get out of the subway. I found out that my friend who worked on the 82nd floor was on the subway on his way to work when this all happened. He was stuck in the subway for 2 hours, but thankfully he didn't make it into work that day, but he said he thought there was an earthquake the way the train shook. No one know what was going on for two hours until they got the trains moving and everyone out at the next stop.

Then the news on tv about the Pentagon and the plane crash in Pennsylvania. Then the second tower fell. The kids kept coming upstairs from the basement asking what was happening. Chad then saw the f-16s flying overhead. I told the kids the truth that some very bad people crashed planes into the buildings, but that we were ok, the fighter planes were going to stop any more planes from hurting us. They were obsessed with the black/red cloud that was getting closer to us, I had to close the door and windows from the choking smell. I live in Brooklyn, across the river from the towers, but the force was so great that paper from the falling towers starting falling out of the sky right here. Cory picked up a piece of charred paper and he still has it to this day. We live 5 miles from the towers, and I could only imagine the choking air from all the ash and soot right there by the towers if we could smell it badly 5 miles away. I saw people running for their lives on TV. Car alarms started going off like crazy from the air pressure.

Days later, the fire still burned. My window screens were clogged with ash. Remember I live 5 long miles away. Imagine the people living and working in the buildings right there. It was hell.

Mel came home, and we watched the news all through the night. We were told by friends that all the Catholic schools in the 5 boroughs of NYC (Brooklyn, Queens, Manhattan, the Bronx, and Staten Island) would stay open all night for kids whose parents didn't make it home.

Mel's boss who's cousin is a firefighter, put on his cousin's firefighter gear just to get into the site area to see for himself. He actually helped dig through the rubble, and had the bottom of his boots burned from the hot metal. I read later on that rescue dogs also had their feet burned from climbing on the pile sniffing for survivors. All the hospitals were asking for blood donations and set up triage units close to the site for the ones who would be rescued from under the pile. God help them, but their triage units were basically empty, as there were very few people who were picked up alive from under the rubble. The downtown hospitals were full with people who were able to walk there. Ambulances couldn't get through. People were frantically trying to get in touch with loved ones, but the phone lines were dead throughout the city for hours. The cell phone lines started to become overloaded.

Later that night, my direct next door neighbor came to my door. I had her 3 kids with me, and I hadn't heard from her all day. I didn't know if she was dead or alive. She was a single mom. She came to the door COVERED with white ash, and I mean covered from head to toe, except for the streaks down her legs where she wet herself. The city opened the Brooklyn Bridge so that people could walk across it to get home. She walked the five miles and it took her 10 hours. All she could say when I saw her was "it's terrible, it's terrible" over and over again. I grabbed her, held her, and we both sobbed. I kept telling her she was ok, her kids were ok, we're safe now, she's safe now.

The next day, my SIL (Fran is her name, Cory's mom) and I took Cory and Jesse down there. We wanted to see. The fire was still burning, but we wanted to see, not out of morbid curiousity, but out of anger and despair. We drove right past the blockades, and we were shocked that we sweren't stopped. We parked the car on the sidewalk 10 blocks away from Ground Zero, out hankie masks on all of us, and walked. There were military personnel with machine guns, but they let us through, I don't know how or why they did this. Chad didn't want to go, he took it very hard, and wouldn't even watch the news anymore. I wanted to show Jesse so that he may never forget. Fran took pictures, but to this day she has never developed them, she just can't, she said, but someday she will.

Then the posters started all over the neighborhoods, pictures EVERYWHERE on every wall, pictures of missing people "HAVE YOU SEEN THIS PERSON? WAS LAST SEEN ON THE 50th FLOOR OF TOWER 1, CANTOR FITZGERALD OFFICE" "HAVE YOU SEEN MY HUSBAND MARTIN CRUZ JANITOR TOWER 2" Men, women, young, old, pictures everywhere, oh my God, it was the most disturbing sad thing I've ever seen in my life. There were over 100 people who jumped to their deaths, some holding hands, forced to choose between dying by fire or jumping. This was seen by my friend's daughter, the one who called me last night. Her daughter had just gotten off the subway withing the burning building and was led out by the police to the street level and told to get away as fast as they can. She said she had blanked out the image of the falling bodies, but the sound of them hitting the ground tortures her to this day. She has since moved out of the city to a suburb, and is unable to work even 7 years later, suffering from agoraphobia. She never leaves her home, her mother has to do everything for her. God I haven't thought about this all year, and now it's back again.

One last thing I need to say. All those people's deaths crush my heart every year when I remember what happened, but I lost a special friend, Fr. Mychal Judge, who was chaplain for the NYC Fire Department. He was right there on the scene supporting the firefighters, and he died of a heart attack. You may have seen his photo in the paper, when firefighters put him in a chair, already gone on to heaven, and carried him to St. Peter's Church, two or three blocks away. They removed his fire helmet he always wore when with his beloved firefighters, and laid him at the altar. Before he died, he administered last rights to many many of the dead and dying. He put himself in harms way to serve and comfort. When I was with Fran and our kids at the site, we went to St. Paul's to pray for him, and that's the first time I really badly lost control of my emotions. Fran started crying. She still didn't know if her friend David DiRubbrio was dead or alive. We, the whole city, had hope that there were people still alive under the rubble, because the towers had many levels below street level, where there were stores and restaurants. We prayed that they were there, sitting in an untouched restaurant waiting to be rescued. But it turned out that everything was caved in. Nothing was left. I had an electric bill in my pocketbook, took out the bill, and filled it with ash from the ground. When I got home, I out it in a plastic ziplock bag, and put it away. I don't want it but I don't want to get rid of it. And I'm not sure why I picked it up.


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One of the MANY walls where people desperately put up photos, hoping thair loved ones were seen alive, anywhere.

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Thanks for sharing. That's so sad and it's good to remind people. :hug:
 
My heart breaks for you. :( Thank you for sharing your story.

I watched a documentary just last night about Father Judge; he sounded like an extraordinary man, I would have liked to know him.

I am so sorry for that young woman. I can't imagine, it's too awful.
 
I know that it was very hard to post that, thank you.

agnes!
 

Thanks so much for sharing.

We really need to always remember and not assume that it won't happen again. I live in New Jersey and saw the smoke from Washington Rock Park and even though I was miles away it will always be recorded in my brain!

A friend & neighbor of mine works in the City today and her office is a couple of blocks from Ground Zero (I refuse to call it anything other than that, even if the NYC Mayor says we shouldn't) and she said that security is high because of the threads.

My DD were very young when it happened (3.5 & 1.5) but I always tell them that they need to be aware of what happened that day and all the heroes!
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1563119.stm
Wednesday, 26 September, 2001, 10:07 GMT 11:07 UK
Rich friends in New York
US dollars
US sympathisers have contributed millions to the cause

Jonathan Duffy By Jonathan Duffy
BBC News Online correspondent in New York

Their cause has always been a united Ireland, but much of the cash that funds republican groups comes from the United States. So how will they fare amid the new crackdown on terrorism?

It took the attacks on 11 September to bring the full horror of terror attacks home to many Americans. And their sense of outrage is compounded by a feeling that this is a war on terror that cannot be won easily.

The second plane flying into the World Trade Center
The attacks prompted a "war on terrorism"
Since then, the Bush administration has vowed to come down hard on terrorists operating in the US.

The president has enacted executive powers that allow for the freezing of all assets in the US of suspected Islamic terror groups.

While all American eyes are currently fixed on Muslim extremists, politicians in Northern Ireland have urged President Bush to extend the clampdown to those who raise funds for Irish paramilitary groups.


Without [US] funding, the IRA would not have nearly the same potential for violence

Jeffrey Donaldson
Ulster Unionist MP
While Libya's donation of arms to the IRA in the 1980s has been the most public sign of where the republican movement has previously turned for support, the reality is that North America has been the most important link of all.

Following the emergence of the modern republican movement in 1969, the Provisional IRA quickly turned to its Irish-American supporters for funds and guns.

More than 30 years later, those support networks still exist, although the nature of the relationship has changed during the long road of the peace process.

Follow the money

Ulster Unionist MP Jeffrey Donaldson wants to see the strong measures extended to Noraid, which raises money for the republican party Sinn Fein, which itself has links with the Provisional IRA.

Bill Clinton greeted by fans in Dublin
There's mutual regard between the Irish and the Americans
"Without their funding, the IRA would not have nearly the same potential for violence that it currently has," he says.

Noraid has openly expressed support for the IRA but says it gives money for humanitarian aid, and denies its donations are used for the purchase of arms.

Sinn Fein has, of course, come in from the cold in recent years. It was de-designated as a foreign terrorist organisation by the US State Department in 1994 after the start of peace efforts in Northern Ireland - a move which allowed its leader, Gerry Adams, to travel to the US.

Humanitarian aid

But other groups perhaps walk a finer line. John McDonagh, chairman of the New York-based Irish Freedom Committee, thinks he is in for a rough ride.


With all these new laws coming in, we could be banned

John McDonagh
His organisation's supporters are sympathetic to dissident republicans who oppose the move away from an "armed struggle" in Northern Ireland, although Mr McDonagh says its contributions only support the families of republican prisoners.

"With all these new laws coming in we don't know what is going to happen. It's possible that it could impact us. We could be banned," says Mr McDonagh, who is one of an estimated 40 million Irish-Americans.

While supporting what many would see as a terror group, he draws a line between the actions of the IRA and those of the 11 September attackers.

"There's no comparison. I don't think it's in the psyche of the Irish to become suicide bombers. The IRA gives warnings before its bombings. What happened here brings it to a whole new level."

Others would point to the fact that an attack by the dissident 'Real IRA' in Omagh in 1998 claimed the lives of 29 civilians, while hundreds of people were killed and thousands maimed in IRA bombings and shootings in more than thirty years of violence.

'Climate of hysteria'

But Mr McDonagh concedes that recent events could rub off on Irish republicans.

The Omagh bombing killed 29 people
The Real IRA is blamed for the Omagh bombing
A legal challenge is being prepared against the ruling by Washington earlier this year to outlaw the so-called Real IRA and its political wing, the 32 County Sovereignty Committee.

Mr McDonagh believes these groups will not get a fair hearing in the "climate of hysteria in this country".

As for the immediate effect on fundraising, he can't comment.

"We've been having a break over summer, but we've got a sponsored five-mile fun run in October and a dinner and dance in January, so we'll wait and see if the take is down."

Colombian connection

But if support does start to flag, activists might want to look elsewhere for the reason, says Conor O'Clery, a New York-based journalist for the Irish Times.

Sinn Fein and the IRA's stock has been tumbling in Washington ever since Bill Clinton - a president who immersed himself in Northern Irish politics - left office, says Mr O'Clery, author of Greening the White House.

Bill Clinton with John Hume and Gerry Adams
Bill Clinton made the peace process a priority
But the biggest knock came this summer when three suspected IRA men were arrested in Colombia, where they had allegedly been training Marxist guerrillas who are said to sponsor their war through drug running.

On top of this came a visit by Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams to communist Cuba, one of the US's sworn enemies.

"The two words drugs and Marxism have done more damage to Sinn Fein than the attack on the World Trade Center," says Mr O'Clery.

"But you now have a climate of anti-terrorism which rubs off on a group connected with terrorism. It will tarnish them further."
http://old.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/derbyshire200503240802.asp



March 24, 2005, 8:02 a.m.
Confessions of a Premature Anti-Terrorist
The McCartney sisters and reality.

The McCartney sisters seem to have won American hearts. These, you may recall, are the sisters of Robert McCartney, who was murdered outside a Belfast bar January 30. The occasion of McCartney’s murder was, that he had got into an argument about something or other with an IRA capo at the bar. Irritated, the IRA man had ordered his associates to deal with the offender in appropriate style. The IRA soldiers obediently took Mr. McCartney outside and stomped, clubbed, and hacked him to death.

In spite of the fact that the pub was crowded at the time — the patrons included two candidates for political office from the Sinn Fein political party, the IRA’s front organization — Belfast police have not been able to find any witnesses to the attack. Nobody, including the two prospective legislators, saw or heard a thing.

President Bush invited McCartney’s sisters (and Bridgeen Hagans, mother of his children) to the White House St. Patrick’s Day bash, in lieu of IRA boss-of-bosses Gerry Adams. Poor Gerry has been removed from the President’s Rolodex, Yasser Arafat-style, for being a liar, a terrorist murderer, and the accomplice of bank robbers. The presidential “divorce” comes many years too late, in the opinion of those of us who have been watching Northern Ireland affairs a while, since Adams has been those things all his adult life. It is, nonetheless, very welcome. The fact that the McCartney sisters, along with their deceased brother, seem to have been loyal Sinn Fein (which is to say, IRA) voters all their adult lives, does not seem to have been held against them by official Washington.

As you might be guessing by this point, whoever else’s hearts the McCartney sisters won, they didn’t lay a finger on mine. Let me try to explain why.

Following their meeting with the president on St. Patrick’s Day, the McCartney sisters (and Ms. Hagans) wrote a column for the U.S. press, in which they pleaded eloquently for Robert McCartney’s killers to be brought to justice. So far, so good; but then my reading was brought to a dead stop by the following:

What Americans need to understand is that ten years ago the IRA were freedom-fighters — but today it is a different story. We are no longer in a conflict, yet atrocities are still being performed — this time by elements of criminality.

What has happened to Robert at the hands of individual IRA members goes against everything Republicanism stands for. Republicanism is about justice, it's about equality and it's about freedom. That's what the past 30 years of the struggle is all about. That's why ten hunger strikers starved themselves to death.

Let’s just parse that. “Ten years ago the IRA were freedom fighters.” Really? Ten years ago would put us in early 1995.

I have just pulled down the most detailed chronicle of the Northern Ireland “Troubles” that I possess, Lost Lives, by David McKittrick, Seamus Kelters, Brian Feeney, and Chris Thornton. Let’s see what is recorded for 1995, shall we?

That was in fact an exceptionally quiet year, with only nine Troubles-related deaths. (The yearly numbers for the 1990s as a whole were: 84, 102, 91, 90, 69, 9, 22, 21, 57, and 6.) Most were Catholic civilians killed by the IRA under suspicion — in one case hotly denied by relatives of the deceased — of being involved in drug trafficking. The IRA called this their DAAD program — Direct Action Against Drugs. You don’t have to be a fan of drug dealing to notice that due process played no part whatsoever in these IRA actions on behalf of “justice, equality, and freedom,” and that the opportunity to work off personal grudges in an operation of this kind are legion.

Here is the actual tally for 1995 in detail:

March 2: James Seymour, civilian, Protestant, 55, married, 2 children. Seymour had been shot in the head by an IRA gunman 22 years previously while helping guard a police station. Suffering massive brain damage, he seems to have been conscious for those 22 years, but could not communicate.

April 29: Mickey Mooney, civilian, Catholic, 34, married, 4 children. DAAD killing.

September 5: Anthony Martin Kane, civilian, Catholic, 29, married. DAAD killing.

September 28: Billy Elliott, terrorist, Protestant, 32, married, 2 children. Killed by a fellow member of his gang, the Red Hand of Ulster Commando (Loyalist terrorists).

November 27: Norman Harley, civilian, Catholic, 45, single. Apparently a purely sectarian murder of opportunity. Two Protestant men were convicted.

December 8: Paul Edward Devine, civilian, Catholic, 35, married, one child. DAAD killing. Devine was a known associate of Mickey Mooney.

December 18: Francis Collins, civilian, Catholic, 40, married, five children. DAAD killing; though Collins’s family deny he had anything to do with the drug trade, and the authorities agreed. Collins did, however, have a long rap sheet, both for terrorist and “ordinary” crimes. The terrorist (both sides) and criminal classes in Northern Ireland overlap a lot.

December 19: Christopher Johnston, civilian, Catholic, 38, married, five children. DAAD killing. Johnston was on bail on a cannabis-possession charge at the time.

December 27: Martin McCrory, civilian, Catholic, 30, married, two children. DAAD killing. McCrory was a known petty thief, joyrider, and small-time drug dealer.

This is, as I said, not a representative sample of IRA “freedom fighting.” In other years, they were much more active at murdering London newsvendors (2/9/96: Inan Ul-haq Bashir, who was selling newspapers from a family kiosk when the Canary Wharf bomb went off), Christmas shoppers (12/18/83: Caroline Kennedy, 25, mother of 1, killed by the Harrods bomb), elderly royals (8/27/79: Louis Mountbatten, 79), census takers (4/7/81: Joanne Mathers, 25, married, 1 child — NB: census takers are “legitimate targets” to the IRA, along with all ofther U.K. government employees), infants in car seats (10/26/89: Nivruti Mahesh Islania, age 6 months, daughter of an RAF corporal, shot in the head at point-blank range by brave IRA warrior Desmond Grew, whose career was later terminated with extreme prejudice by Britain’s SAS), citizens gathered to pay respects to the dead of the World Wars (11/8/87: Eleven dead when an IRA bomb planted in the Enniskillen war memorial went off — NB: the IRA describe the World Wars scornfully as “England’s wars”), and thousands of others, including a steady cull of farmers and their sons in border areas of Northern Ireland as part of the IRA’s Zimbabwe-style “land redistribution” program.

I should like to ask the McCartney women a few questions: DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IRA ACTIVITIES THROUGH THE 1960S, 1970S, AND 1980S HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH “FREEDOM FIGHTING”? DO YOU REALLY THINK YOUR BROTHER WAS THE FIRST PERSON KILLED BY THE IRA FOR NO GOOD REASON?

The Northern Ireland story is a long and tangled one, with plenty of blame to go around. There are certain things, however, that cannot be reasonably doubted. One of those things is, that the IRA is a perfectly amoral terrorist organization, whose members believe that absolutely any act is justified if it advances the cause — the cause, that is, of driving from Ireland anyone who, in the IRA’s opinion, is insufficiently Irish. Another is, that anyone with a pair of eyes and a grain of sense who did not know that fact by 1995, or for that matter by 1975, was practicing willful self-delusion to a degree that beggars the imagination.

Looking back across Ireland’s history through the 20th century, I should like some IRA apologist to tell me anything, anything, that was won by what Gerry Adams so winsomely calls “the physical force tradition in Irish nationalism.” A united Ireland? The entire effect of the IRA and its “freedom fighting” has been to drive the Irish apart further than ever. Ireland would have been united long since but for the IRA. The independence of the 26 counties? At the opening of the 20th century, everyone in Britain knew that some variety of Home Rule was inevitable. Large swathes of the British political classes supported it. The constitutional changes in Britain prior to WW1 made it only a matter of time, whatever happened in Ireland herself. International sympathy? If sympathy is measured by actual physical assistance, the IRA’s main 20th-century sympathizers were Yasser Arafat, Muammar Khadaffi, Leonid Brezhnev, Adolf Hitler, and Kaiser Bill.

Sinn Fein voters in both Northern Ireland and the republic, their sympathizers in the United States, and dimwitted dupes like the McCartney sisters, should all face the fact that the “physical force tradition in Irish nationalism” has, quite aside from matters of morality, been a total bust, bringing to Ireland misery, destruction, gangsterism, and hate, and that its positive achievements can be counted on the fingers of no hands at all. Time for the IRA to close up shop? I would say so, Paula, Catherine, Gemma, Donna, Claire, and Bridgeen. I would say so indeed. But then, I would have said so 30 years ago, when your “community” was handing out posies to the boys in the ski masks. Call me a “premature antiterrorist.”
 
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You know what makes this more disturbing? Those deafening high pitched "car alarms" which I thought were car alarms from the collapse were actually the rescue signals on the hundreds of firefighters who were dead under the pile. If you've watched footage of that day I'm sure you've heard that sound after the towers fell. It went on for days. I only recently found out what the sounds really were.
 
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I wasn't on DIS when 9/11 happened but I was on another forum. They erased all the threads from that time on that forum, which made me sad as they were a document to what was going on at that time. They could have been historically significant much like your post here. I think DIS did the same thing. Hopefully, somewhere, those threads are saved....
 
PaulaSB12, it's no secret that SOME Americans were sympathetic to the IRA and a small number actively supported them. The US is a nation of immigrants and there is a small segment of the Irish diaspora that was, and perhaps still is, pro-IRA. The vast majority of Americans, however, were not IRA supporters.

The first terrorist attack that really caught my attention was the horrific bombing at Harrods. The attack received extensive coverage in the US and was portrayed as the atrocity it was. I was ten or eleven at the time and I sent a letter to Prime Minister Thatcher expressing my condolences.

I read the British press and there seems to be an anti-American element among them. Please do not let the press fool you. Just as the vast, vast majority of Muslims are not terrorists, the vast, vast majority of Americans are not IRA sympathizers.

I wonder what percentage of Americans even know what the IRA is??
 
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I wasn't on DIS when 9/11 happened but I was on another forum. They erased all the threads from that time on that forum, which made me sad as they were a document to what was going on at that time. They could have been historically significant much like your post here. I think DIS did the same thing. Hopefully, somewhere, those threads are saved....


Another small thing I just remembered. It was an election day that day and the voting booths were in the school lunch rooms for people to come in and vote so the kids would eat lunch in their classrooms that day. When I took my son out of school when the whole thing started, he thought schools were closing because of the election, until he saw the fire cloud outside. That's how calmly the school handled releasing the kids, not telling them anything except that their parents were here to take them home early. I really appreciated the calmness of the staff for the kids's sake.
 
One of the MANY walls where people desperately put up photos, hoping thair loved ones were seen alive, anywhere.

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I'll never forget reading all these walls throughout the city in hopes that there loved ones were allive was and stil is heartbreaking. :sad2:
 
:grouphug: I will never forget that day.

I never knew that about tha alarms, either, but did wonder why car alarms would be going off days later....I had figured the car battery would be long dead, and the alarm would stop. Now it makes sense.:sad1:
 
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I'll never forget reading all these walls throughout the city in hopes that there loved ones were allive was and stil is heartbreaking. :sad2:


OMG, do you remember they were EVERYWHERE? They covered the windows of Bagel Stores, Dry Cleaners, Nail Salons, Grocery Stores. Well, you know already having been through this yourself.:sad1: Haunting. Months later the stores started taking down the pictures and some people went nuts on the storekeepers, still clinging to hope that someone had seen their loved one in a hospital or wherever.
 
There are so many stories like yours...of how affected we all were. It was a life altering event for every one of us. I was interested in watching the coverage this weekend, but as they previewed some of it this morning on the Today Show, I choked up and all those feelings of dread, anger, loss came rushing back.

Have a hug from me. We need it.
 
OMG, do you remember they were EVERYWHERE? They covered the windows of Bagel Stores, Dry Cleaners, Nail Salons, Grocery Stores. Well, you know already having been through this yourself.:sad1: Haunting.



They were everywhere, I get goosebumps now thinking about all of them.
I also felt bad for the families when they were all taken down a few weeks later. It was so sad to see what some people wrote on their "Wanted" pictures.

I walk from Penn to Rock Center and would try to read them all.

Hang in there. :hug:
 
My heart aches reading your post. :sad1:

That's why I'm nervous about these new threats. So far we've been able to thwart the planned attackes after 9/11 and that gives me hope that we'll be able to keep on catching it before it happens. But it was scary seeing the mayor talking about it on tv last night.
 
I was sitting in my office when it happened and when I first heard of a plane hitting one of the towers, I thought it might have been a small tourist plane, only after the second one hit, was it real. I work in a set of "twin" towers in Syracuse, NY and although by far are we any way in size/scale, there was a connection between the buildings in terms of fear.

I will never forget what happened that day, but I also take each day without fear as living in fear only allows those who choose to inflict pain and punishment to thrive. I am not afraid to walk through downtown NYC, I'm not afraid to fly on a plane, I refuse to live in fear of others actions. I will stay aware, but I will not worry.
 
It was so hard to read.:sad1:

But the very least I could do was read it and remember since I had the luck to not have to live it.

My thoughts are with all of those who suffered on that day.:grouphug:

I had never seen his picture before. So sad. (Also for some reason, I did not know how he died and was confused about how folks know what he did unto his dying moment for others.)

I hate to say "I can't wait"--but when we do go to NYC again--we will go to the memorial when we do.I want to see the faces and learn about the people who are no longer with us and am grateful to the work of the various people who made sure that their memory lives on.

I have VHS tapes loaded with stuff. I knew from working in television that archival footage is difficult to come buy and stuff gets edited over the years. As it happens footage is priceless for truly understanding what it was like at that time. 10 years later, I have not viewed it. But my intent is to watch it with my kids one day. It explains things in a way that a documentary 10, 15 or 20 years later could not.

I cannot believe this happened 10 years ago. Reading stories like yours--makes it truly seem like yesterday. And yes, I remember the alarms and the reporter explaining what they were back then.:sad1:

I kept hoping for miracles and rejoiced when you hear of people who had last minute business trips, got stuck in traffic, or usually don't do this or that but for some reason did that day. I was hoping for more rescues like the men found in the stairwell.:sad1:
 

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