Our second car with 173000 miles on it it is now officially dead. I was hoping for it to last until our Toyota Sienna van is paid of in 15 months. now We have to go out and buy another car.. two car payments .. grrr we just raided our savings to redo our master bath.. grrrr. We are looking for midsize car and do not want to buy used because we rack up miles, related to our commute to work. plus in 3 years our oldest DS will be driving and we may want to to give him the car when college starts. This is just a rant.....