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[Daxx]

Did I read that right ...

Two Harry Potter movies w/in a few months of each other ... plus book 7 in July?!!?

Holy cow -- jackpot!!!!!!!!

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

Though I still hold out hope that Draco is young enough to change, if only because Dumbledore did...

What do some others think?

I would love if Draco redeemed himself in book 7. Much like Snape, I feel like Draco is a highly complex and misunderstood character. I was reading the Mugglenet "What will happen in book 7" book at B & N today and they made a really good observation concerning Draco. Like many of the children of Deatheaters, he seems to "hate" Muggles and sides with Voldemort simply because his parents have raised him that way. I don't think he REALLY understood why or what he supposedly stood for because I doubt there was ever a time in Draco's life where he sat down to think about the consequences of siding with someone like LV. Until the end of HBP, Draco was a snobbish, bullying, pompous brat. He looks down on nearly everyone and encourages the torment of Muggleborn students. But near the middle of HBP we see a Draco that is no longer confident, but downright scared. He is finally realizing the full implications of the life he has been forced into. Suddenly, the thought of working for LV doesn't seem so glamorous or righteous. I believe Draco is now just a frightened and confused young man. I believe he has the potential to be good but lacks the courage for it. Although I'd like to see Draco redeemed and helping the Order, I don't think that will happen. I have a feeling that Draco will flee from everything and end up being killed by the Deatheaters at some point.

 

[N&B'smom]

Yesterday I went to see "Bridge to Terabithia". The theater owner spoke to us before the movie about upcoming attractions. He told us that they will be airing 2 Harry Potter movies this year. Of course we all know about OotP being released in July. He said the second movie will be aired in December. Has anybody heard this? When I checked wikipedia, it says HBP will be released in Nov 08.

Are you sure when he said 'two Harry Potter movies' that he wasn't referring to Daniel Radcliffe movies? He's in a movie called December Boys due out late this year?

Shelby

 

[Kycha]

Are you sure when he said 'two Harry Potter movies' that he wasn't referring to Daniel Radcliffe movies? He's in a movie called December Boys due out late this year?

Shelby

No, he definitely said two Harry Potter movies. My niece and I both did a double take on that one. One released in July, the other in December. He must be wrong because the only dates I can find online are for Nov/Dec 2008 for Half-Blood Prince.

 

[HSMndLKfan92]

Though I still hold out hope that Draco is young enough to change, if only because Dumbledore did...

What do some others think?

I personally would love to see Draco change. I think that might not happen because of his upbringing.

That's just what I think.

 

[va32h]

I personally would love to see Draco change. I think that might not happen because of his upbringing.

That's just what I think.

Maybe put on the road to change...it would take quite some time for a sincere change to take place, time we may not have in Deathly Hallows.

I do think that Snape and Draco will both do something to sabotage Voldemort and help Harry - whether they officially declare themselves on his (Harry's) side or not.

Voldemort is still furious at Lucius - he may also be angry at Narcissa for going to Snape behind his (Voldy's) back. And he may be angry at Draco for letting Snape kill Dumbledore, or not performing well enough at Hogwarts - after all they didn't manage to kill anyone else along the way, and lost themselves a Death Eater in the process as well.

So Draco may help Harry to help his own family.

 

[N&B'smom]

No, he definitely said two Harry Potter movies. My niece and I both did a double take on that one. One released in July, the other in December. He must be wrong because the only dates I can find online are for Nov/Dec 2008 for Half-Blood Prince.

Oh I'm sure he did say Harry Potter movies but I wonder if one is the other December Boys movie. Or could it be that he is just clueless? Who knows!

Shelby

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

Maybe put on the road to change...it would take quite some time for a sincere change to take place, time we may not have in Deathly Hallows.

I do think that Snape and Draco will both do something to sabotage Voldemort and help Harry - whether they officially declare themselves on his (Harry's) side or not.

Voldemort is still furious at Lucius - he may also be angry at Narcissa for going to Snape behind his (Voldy's) back. And he may be angry at Draco for letting Snape kill Dumbledore, or not performing well enough at Hogwarts - after all they didn't manage to kill anyone else along the way, and lost themselves a Death Eater in the process as well.

So Draco may help Harry to help his own family.

oh i think Draco will do something to help Harry. i mean, yeah the kid is a jerk, but i honestly don't think he wants to see anyone die. Harry's never really done anything that bad to him, anyway.

 

[N&B'smom]

Just finished reading the HBP today for the second time. In the end, it just seems like Snape very easily kills Dumbledore. There doesn't seem to be any inner turmoil, he didn't even hesitate! Even if he promised and this was previously arranged with Dumbledore, I still think there'd at least be a moment's hesitation. Nope, the book said that he shoved Draco aside and performed the curse, it seemed to be done so easily for him. Then he proceeded on his way.

When Harry was chasing him it did seem a bit like he was trying to keep Harry from performing an Unforgiveable Curse but then again, he was also trying to protect his own butt. He would have been the one cursed. I've hated Snape from day one and after finishing that book again, I can't help but continue to feel that way. I pray he does something to redeem himself in the last book.

Was it Professor Flitwick who went to Snape to inform him that there were DE's in Hogwarts? Did he really collapse or did Snape perform a curse on him to give the teachers/Order one less person on their side?!?! I'm assuming it was the latter.

Now that I've finished this book I feel frustrated. Bring on book 7! I need answers!

Shelby

 

[sugahjunior]

Here is an unanswered question I have about the HBP. We know for the Unforgiveable Curses you have to be able to hate (which is why Harry can't perform them). But do you have to hate the person who you are performing the curse on? If so, there are a LOT of problems with Snape killing Dumbledore if you believe Snape is on the side of the OOP. While it's easy to imagine Snape being that hateful about his treatment at the hands of his father and James and Sirius, you would not think he harbored that much animosity towards Dumbledore since DD has always been his biggest defender. If you have to feel the hatred towards the victim, then Snape can't possibly be good.

I recently re-read HBP and OOP and started to re-read GOF last night (the movie being on non-stop this weekend got me moving). Am I weird because I like to read the books 1-6 and then backwards 6-1? You pick up tons of details you thought would not have otherwise noticed. For example, I think the Room of Requirement shows up as early as COS (Dumbledore mentions finding the room full of Chamber Pots) and the Vanishing Cabinet might be there as well (or in POA-- it's been a while). I didn't think anything of them the first time through, but when I read the books backwards I had many many aha moments.

 

[N&B'smom]

That's an interesting question, if you have to hate to perform an Unforgivable Curse. If that were true though, couldn't Harry have gotten Snape with it then. He surely hated him after seeing him kill Dumbledore. Before that I believe while he disliked Snape tremendously, he may have felt a little sorry for him in light of what he saw in the pensieve that one time. (with Harry's father treating him cruelly) Makes you wonder that's for sure.

Shelby

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Here is an unanswered question I have about the HBP. We know for the Unforgiveable Curses you have to be able to hate (which is why Harry can't perform them). But do you have to hate the person who you are performing the curse on?

I don't think you have to hate the person you are killing. I think the UC's are rooted more in the thrill of killing and the perverse pleasure in someone else's pain.

For example, Voldemort has killed many people without actually having to personally hate his victim. Wormtail killed Cedric on V's command using the AK curse-- I doubt that Wormtail hated Cedric personally. I think he was able to carry AK out because of his ability to dismiss the value of human life in his quest to gain power. He lusted after power and he saw power in the pain of others (also evidenced by his role in the deaths of James and Lily.)Voldemort, Wormtail, and the Death Eaters (especially crazy Bellatrix) kill for the thrill of killing.

Barty Crouch Jr posing as Mad-Eye Moody was also able to perform the UC's on a spider in class. I doubt he hated the spider but he did have whatever it took in him to perform the curses. Being a Death Eater, he probably loved the thrill. Umbridge began to use Crucio on Harry and we know she definitely gets her kicks from inflicting pain on others! She's sadistic to the core.

Harry, on the other hand, couldn't perform an Unforgivable Curse because he only momentarily hated the person (Bellatrix) and wasn't capable of seeking pleasure in the pain that would have resulted. I don't think he could have killed Snape with AK. Whatever anger he had towards Snape was probably still not enough to allow him to enjoy a death. He's too pure to enjoy another person's pain and that is where the key in performing an UC is. Harry's ability to love prevents him while V's inability to love enables him to perform UCs.

Snape definitely has enough pain and rage to be able to perform an UC, in my opinion. He had to perform AK, feelings for DD aside, and he had the means to do it.

Now, I think the question is if Harry will be able to use an Unforgivable Curse or if Voldemort will be defeated by other methods. Harry's ability to love might prevent the use of a UC.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

Here is an unanswered question I have about the HBP. We know for the Unforgiveable Curses you have to be able to hate (which is why Harry can't perform them). But do you have to hate the person who you are performing the curse on? If so, there are a LOT of problems with Snape killing Dumbledore if you believe Snape is on the side of the OOP. While it's easy to imagine Snape being that hateful about his treatment at the hands of his father and James and Sirius, you would not think he harbored that much animosity towards Dumbledore since DD has always been his biggest defender. If you have to feel the hatred towards the victim, then Snape can't possibly be good.

I recently re-read HBP and OOP and started to re-read GOF last night (the movie being on non-stop this weekend got me moving). Am I weird because I like to read the books 1-6 and then backwards 6-1? You pick up tons of details you thought would not have otherwise noticed. For example, I think the Room of Requirement shows up as early as COS (Dumbledore mentions finding the room full of Chamber Pots) and the Vanishing Cabinet might be there as well (or in POA-- it's been a while). I didn't think anything of them the first time through, but when I read the books backwards I had many many aha moments.

my sister and i both do the same thing. so you're not weirder than i am!

 

[AuroraBorealis]

my sister and i both do the same thing. so you're not weirder than i am!

I do it too! It's easier to pick up on clues when you know the answer to the puzzle!

I love the "ah-ha!" feeling of realizing there was significance to the Vanishing Cabinet beginning in PoA and the reference to bezoars and wolfsbane. It makes me appreciate JKR's cleverness and talent that much more.

 

[va32h]

Was it Professor Flitwick who went to Snape to inform him that there were DE's in Hogwarts? Did he really collapse or did Snape perform a curse on him to give the teachers/Order one less person on their side?!?! I'm assuming it was the latter.

I think Snape stunned him. But you know - I think that was for Flitwick's own good.

When you think about it - once Snape arrived on the scene, he rounded the Death Eaters up and got them out of Hogwarts, pronto. This is one reason why I think Snape is still Dumbledore's Man. After killing Dumbledore, Snape could have let the DEs run amok through the school - Fenrir was certainly hoping to eat a few students, and have Dumbledore for dessert.

But Snape manages to get Dumbledore's body off the tower (which is a very unusual side effect of the Avada Kedavra - don't you think? The other Ak's we've seen the victim just falls over). But anyway - Dumbledore is out of sight, and Snape tells everyone to get going and most importantly - not to do anything to Harry Potter.

I don't think you have to hate the person you are killing. I think the UC's are rooted more in the thrill of killing and the perverse pleasure in someone else's pain.

I agree with this, and also with your point about Voldemort not valuing human life (except his own!). I don't think Snape hates Dumbledore when he is killing him. I think Snape has killed before - in the days before he turned on Voldemort, and I think Snape is extremely skilled at compartmentalizing his feelings. He could summon up sufficient emotion to cast the AK, without letting his positive feelings toward Dumbledore interfere.

The hatred and revulsion on Snape's face has more to do with the situation, I think, than Dumbledore.

It's very hard to forgive Snape for doing this - Snape is a skilled and powerful wizard, I have no doubt that he could have disabled all the Death Eaters on the tower and spared Dumbledore. But - it would have been at the cost of Snape's spy status with Voldemort.

Harry doesn't know it yet, but I think Snape will be able to help him, from within Voldemort's camp, more than Dumbledore could. Snape might be able to find out what and where the horcruxes are. Snape could sabotage Death Eater plans, Snape could reveal Voldemort's hiding place to Harry. It's more important to the ultimate cause of defeating Voldemort that Snape preserves his status as a spy.

The real pickle now, though, is how to make Harry believe that Snape is still on the right side.

 

[LiLIrishChick63]

I do it too! It's easier to pick up on clues when you know the answer to the puzzle!

I love the "ah-ha!" feeling of realizing there was significance to the Vanishing Cabinet beginning in PoA and the reference to bezoars and wolfsbane. It makes me appreciate JKR's cleverness and talent that much more.

yeah it's great to find those things! i'm glad we're not the only ones who do this! lol

 

[va32h]

Hey everyone - I just wanted to bump this thread up because in reading the rest of the CB - it's just so amazing how HP relates to everything!

There's a thread about the Duggars - that family with 17 kids - and one of the relevant issues in that thread is whether we should impose our idea of what should make people happy on people who say they are happy. That made me think of house-elves. If they are happy being servants, is it any of Hermione's business to try and free them? Her attitude is that they don't know they are being repressed - but is that presumptuous of her?

And there's a thread about narcissism, which makes me think of Voldemort - the ultimate narcissist who thinks only of his infantile need for instant gratification.

Maybe that just means I spend too much time thinking about the books...

 

[N&B'smom]

Tonight is OPENING NIGHT for Equus!! Here's an article about it. http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20070227/D8NI7BCO4.html

Shelby

 

[PollyannaMom]

... and one of the relevant issues in that thread is whether we should impose our idea of what should make people happy on people who say they are happy. That made me think of house-elves. If they are happy being servants, is it any of Hermione's business to try and free them? Her attitude is that they don't know they are being repressed - but is that presumptuous of her?

I don't think she should be freeing them without their consent - hiding the hats under clutter, etc.

But I don't mind her trying to raise awareness of how they are treated, or speaking on behalf of one who ASKS to be freed.

 

[va32h]

Tonight is OPENING NIGHT for Equus!! Here's an article about it. http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20070227/D8NI7BCO4.html

Shelby

I really can't believe people are complaining because his character smokes cigarettes. Well, I can, because people will complain about anything. It's in the script! It's not Dan smoking, it's the character smoking.

The same character stabs six horses in the eyeballs - something just a wee bit more disturbing that smoking a cigarette, I would say. But I don't hear PETA complaining that impressionable youth will start going round gouging out horses' eyeballs because they heard that Dan Radcliffe was doing it.

Oh no...I hope I haven't give them any ideas!