"Mothers don't stop Getting angry with stupid bigots who (mess) with their children!"

[Robinrs]

Chaz as a woman was an amazing person on Celebrity Fit Club -- had amazing drive and determination, lost a ton of weight, cheered her teammates on, and was a level headed, cheerful, and very kind person. Extremely likeable and somebody you'd want to know in real life.

I remember Chaz on that show. I remember thinking Cher must be SOO proud, she is an AWESOME person.

Cher has supported her child thru this and I'm with her. I've never been "mainstream" anything... that's something I DON'T get!

I knew several transgender people in NY, my neighbor was mid transition when I lived in Brooklyn Heights - male to female. That was in 1985. I guess since I've dealt with this all my life it's nothing new or different to me.

I soooo agree with the PP who said some "Christians" use that title to spew whatever hateful judgemental agenda they choose. What they forget is the word Christian means Christ-like and the Jesus I KNOW loved and cared for everyone.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I dont think ABC is "harassing" America, I think they are doing what they always do, sensationalism. That is what they do. Chaz is just making a living off of it. Harassing is giving it way too much importance, I don't what he does, and I don't care what any celeb does. I have no respect for them or the media. I quit watching this show 2 years ago, BORING. I hope he does well, but I have no dog in the fight.

Okay, I understand what you're sayin', I couldn't believe ABC News ran a blip on Beyonce's pregnancy.

So the issue is because he had a gender change? Is that even going to be brought up on the show? I doubt he wears a sign that says hey world I used to have a tootie bug and now I have a birdie! I do not see how his appearance on TV is harassing Americans if you don’t like it turn the channel. Really the things people ***** about these days is insane.

And you, you've made me spit ice tea all over my keyboard!!

 

[mhsjax]

Okay, I understand what you're sayin', I couldn't believe ABC News ran a blip on Beyonce's pregnancy.



And you, you've made me spit ice tea all over my keyboard!!

Exactly on the Beyonce thing. I mean if she wanted to be pregnant, then I am happy for her. But sense I don't know her, I really don't see why it is so important. I mean it is important, but no more than any other woman that is thrilled about being pregnant. I also wish her well, but again, no dog in that fight either. Sorry, that is DH favorite saying, it rubs off. lol

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

While agree with what you are saying, the publicity that she/he received is putting it out there. Not only just news reports, but he has done several interviews. Like anything else with celebrities, they have to take the good with the bad, if you don't want us talking about it and judging you for it, then quit shoving it our faces. Lets face it, the only reason he is one there is because of the gender change. It doesn't bother me, but I don't need it shoved down my throat either.

How is HIS appearance being shoved down your throat? Lots of people (all??) who've been on DWTS do interviews. And why qualify the reason he's on the show as being ONLY about the gender change? EVERYONE is on there "only" because of "some reason." But again...how about it's a challenge to be on the show, and he was given the opportunity and took it?

MTE. I can respect that some people do not either understand another persons sexual orientation. That is fine with me. I cannot understand why it is necessary for anyone to understand in order to respect that orientation. I do not understand a lot of things that people are or do or think, I just don't. I don't think I need to in order to respect their views or their decisions.

There are so many pressing issues that impact us today and it baffles me that anyone would waste one moment being irritated that a man we do not even know, have never even met has had a surgery that aligns his body with his mind. I bekieve that if this is an issue for someone it is okay to change the channel. I know that I do whenever I even hear "Kim Kardashain". Don't know her, don't care about her and don't want to see how she spent all that money on a wedding.

Some people just disgust me. In addition to those who think Chaz being on the show is harassment, I also read a comment lamenting the fact that America would have to look at the scars on JR Martinez. How unsympathetic can a person be?

I had no idea who JR Martinez was, but when I first saw him when they announced the new cast, my first thought was "Good for him...what a great role model, going on with your life after whatever it was that happened."

As for "stardom" -- he was absolutely a star as a toddler. Some of us are old enough to remember her stealing the show when her parents would bring her out on stage. If she didn't appear on a given week, people talked about it. (Sorry for the pronoun switch, but "Chastity Bono" the toddler is still a girl in my mind; Chaz Bono is a guy.)

And really, I've questioned the use of the word "Star" from the beginning. I've never watched a full episode of DWTS...I hate the interviews, and I don't usually know who half the "stars" are...but some of the ones I do know, I question the "star" designation. Honestly, I think it should be called "Dancing with a Person who at Some Point was Vaguely in the Public Eye".

 

[Uncle Remus]

Exactly on the Beyonce thing. I mean if she wanted to be pregnant, then I am happy for her. But sense I don't know her, I really don't see why it is so important. I mean it is important, but no more than any other woman that is thrilled about being pregnant. I also wish her well, but again, no dog in that fight either. Sorry, that is DH favorite saying, it rubs off. lol

Not ever havin' wanted to be pregnant, I definitely ain't got a dog in that fight either, but I do have a dog in the fight for equality for all folks especially those of us who don't fit in the box.

The transgender issue entails a complexity that ranges from state supported operations in Iran to laws in Texas statin' regardless of sex reassignment, you're the sex listed on your original birth certificate. I don't know what they do about the ones that are born intersexed.

 

[mhsjax]

How is HIS appearance being shoved down your throat? Lots of people (all??) who've been on DWTS do interviews. And why qualify the reason he's on the show as being ONLY about the gender change? EVERYONE is on there "only" because of "some reason." But again...how about it's a challenge to be on the show, and he was given the opportunity and took it? I had no idea who JR Martinez was, but when I first saw him when they announced the new cast, my first thought was "Good for him...what a great role model, going on with your life after whatever it was that happened." And really, I've questioned the use of the word "Star" from the beginning. I've never watched a full episode of DWTS...I hate the interviews, and I don't usually know who half the "stars" are...but some of the ones I do know, I question the "star" designation. Honestly, I think it should be called "Dancing with a Person who at Some Point was Vaguely in the Public Eye".

HIs interviews and the media, started long before DWTS. Maybe you have been under a rock. In fact he did a whole reality show on VH1 or MTV or something like that, it was about all the hardships of going through this experience of changing genders. And what I should have added, is that I don't have a problem with him taking advantage of it. Most people on this show are has beens or something different about them.. Come on, Paul McCartney's ex, Kate Gosselin, Nancy Grace. Really, do I need to spell it out. Sure they have some legit stars, but don't turn what I said into something ugly. I don't care what he does, but I can guarantee you that if he didn't have the sex change, he most likely wouldn't be on the show.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

So the issue is because he had a gender change? Is that even going to be brought up on the show?

I guarantee you it will be brought up on the show. Whatever is going on in the "stars'" lives get discussed in those interviews. I usually fast forward through them...for the most part, I just want to watch dancing. That's one of the great things about the remote control...change the channel, or FF.

 

[mhsjax]

Not ever havin' wanted to be pregnant, I definitely ain't got a dog in that fight either, but I do have a dog in the fight for equality for all folks especially those of us who don't fit in the box.

The transgender issue entails a complexity that ranges from state supported operations in Iran to laws in Texas statin' regardless of sex reassignment, you're the sex listed on your original birth certificate. I don't know what they do about the ones that are born intersexed.

I don't have a problem with equality either, to me it shouldn't even be a question. I also think that for people who do, this isn't going to help the situation. the media does shove stuff in your face. As your example of Beyonce illustrates. You Don;t go up to a bully(those who won't accept) and throw a punch in the face, and wait to see what happens.. This is what the media is good at. They stir the pot then run and see what happens, and make tons of money off of it.

 

[Uncle Remus]

HIs interviews and the media, started long before DWTS. Maybe you have been under a rock. In fact he did a whole reality show on VH1 or MTV or something like that, it was about all the hardships of going through this experience of changing genders. Most people on this show are has beens or something different about them.. Come on, Paul McCartney's ex, Kate Gosselin, Nancy Grace. Really, do I need to spell it out. Sure they have some legit stars, but don't turn what I said into something ugly. I don't care what he does, but I can guarantee you that if he didn't have the sec change, he most likely wouldn't be on the show.

I think you're right on that one, I'm still waitin' for the lesbian DWTS contestant, now that oughta be interestin'!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

HIs interviews and the media, started long before DWTS. Maybe you have been under a rock. In fact he did a whole reality show on VH1 or MTV or something like that, it was about all the hardships of going through this experience of changing genders. Most people on this show are has beens or something different about them.. Come on, Paul McCartney's ex, Kate Gosselin, Nancy Grace. Really, do I need to spell it out. Sure they have some legit stars, but don't turn what I said into something ugly. I don't care what he does, but I can guarantee you that if he didn't have the sec change, he most likely wouldn't be on the show.

Gosh, I guess I have been "under a rock" if that means not watching VH1 or MTV. I've seen Chaz discussing his sex change on TV...don't recall if I parked my butt in front of the TV watching, but I certainly never felt it was shoved down my throat. Maybe because I exercise my right to change the channel.

Obviously there are reasons to choose people to be on DWTS. Variety of people makes for good TV as well as good competition. So? Had Chaz remained Chastity, there was already a reason to have her on...she's been in the public eye. If the sex change made him out there more publicly now, and an interesting contestant, why wouldn't they choose him? Yes, people will tune in to see how he does, as some will tune in to see how Nancy Grace does, and Hope Solo, and JR Martinez, etc, all because of the thing that makes them "famous"; Chaz is no worse because it's a sex change. Not every audience is going to "know" or like every "star". So no, you don't have to spell it out for me. But thanks for the offer.

 

[mhsjax]

Gosh, I guess I have been "under a rock" if that means not watching VH1 or MTV. I've seen Chaz discussing his sex change on TV...don't recall if I parked my butt in front of the TV watching, but I certainly never felt it was shoved down my throat. Maybe because I exercise my right to change the channel.

Obviously there are reasons to choose people to be on DWTS. Variety of people makes for good TV as well as good competition. So? Had Chaz remained Chastity, there was already a reason to have her on...she's been in the public eye. If the sex change made him out there more publicly now, and an interesting contestant, why wouldn't they choose him? Yes, people will tune in to see how he does, as some will tune in to see how Nancy Grace does, and Hope Solo, and JR Martinez, etc, all because of the thing that makes them "famous"; Chaz is no worse because it's a sex change. Not every audience is going to "know" or like every "star". So no, you don't have to spell it out for me. But thanks for the offer.

Ok, you got me on the MTV or VH1 thing, I never watch those either, but I was flipping channels. It may not have even been one of those 2. Anyway, yes you can change the channel, but he was on multiple and I do mean multiple shows like 20/20. It was all over the tabloids. Sure you don't have to buy them but, the more they put it our there, the more people will know. AGain, you are trying to make it seem that I am against him, I am not. But Chasity was a very long time ago, Chaz wasn't. I still say SHE wouldn't have been on there but HE was asked. I NEVER, repeat NEVER said he was worse because of a sex change, you said that, I said it was the reason, big difference, so maybe I do have to spell it out for you. YOu for some reason seem hell bent on making me out to be one of the people that are against him, nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Uncle Remus]

Ok, you got me on the MTV or VH1 thing, I never watch those either, but I was flipping channels. It may not have even been one of those 2. Anyway, yes you can change the channel, but he was on multiple and I do mean multiple shows like 20/20. It was all over the tabloids. Sure you don't have to buy them but, the more they put it our there, the more people will know. AGain, you are trying to make it seem that I am against him, I am not. But Chasity was a very long time ago, Chaz wasn't. I still say SHE wouldn't have been on there but HE was asked. I NEVER, repeat NEVER said he was worse because of a sex change, you said that, I said it was the reason, big difference, so maybe I do have to spell it out for you. YOu for some reason seem hell bent on making me out to be one of the people that are against him, nothing could be further from the truth.

Hey, I think you're just anti mass media, cool by me.

And thanks to the DIS (another media) for allowin' us to express our beliefs, thoughts 'n Opinions.

 

[mhsjax]

Hey, I think you're just anti mass media, cool by me.

And thanks to the DIS (another media) for allowin' us to express our beliefs, thoughts 'n Opinions.

Yes, thank you Dis boards.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Ok, you got me on the MTV or VH1 thing, I never watch those either, but I was flipping channels. It may not have even been one of those 2. Anyway, yes you can change the channel, but he was on multiple and I do mean multiple shows like 20/20. It was all over the tabloids. Sure you don't have to buy them but, the more they put it our there, the more people will know. AGain, you are trying to make it seem that I am against him, I am not. But Chasity was a very long time ago, Chaz wasn't. I still say SHE wouldn't have been on there but HE was asked. I NEVER, repeat NEVER said he was worse because of a sex change, you said that, I said it was the reason, big difference, so maybe I do have to spell it out for you. YOu for some reason seem hell bent on making me out to be one of the people that are against him, nothing could be further from the truth.

OK, I'm not going back to quote you again, but you said that his sex change has been shoved down your throat (no "news" can be shoved down your throat unless you choose to allow it...I guess I'm not reading the right tabloids either ) and the sex change is the only reason he's on the show. I disagree. At this time, he's an interesting contestant because he's been in the news. Had he not had a sex change, perhaps as Chastity she would have done something, or been in the news for some other interesting reason. It shouldn't be any BIGGER than Hope Solo being on because of the World Cup, or Melissa Rycroft because she got dumped after The Bachelor, or whoever else has been on for whatever reason. I just think that the sex change is his particular interesting reason...he's in the public eye now, and I think it's only natural to consider him.

 

[LuvsDragonflies]

**notes: "tootie bug" and "birdie". Awesome. **

You can talk about how it shouldn't matter all you want, it shouldn't. However, don't suppose the fact that Chaz is transgender doesn't have any impact on his reason for being on the show, OR the reason the show has him on. It's good PR. Easy, free, cheap publicity for the show AND for transgender. Win/Win, I'm sure their PR people are working it.

As for "Christians" denouncing it. Who's surprised? We have more wack factions than Carter has liver pills.

 

[mhsjax]

OK, I'm not going back to quote you again, but you said that his sex change has been shoved down your throat (no "news" can be shoved down your throat unless you choose to allow it...I guess I'm not reading the right tabloids either ) and the sex change is the only reason he's on the show. I disagree. At this time, he's an interesting contestant because he's been in the news. Had he not had a sex change, perhaps as Chastity she would have done something, or been in the news for some other interesting reason. It shouldn't be any BIGGER than Hope Solo being on because of the World Cup, or Melissa Rycroft because she got dumped after The Bachelor, or whoever else has been on for whatever reason. I just think that the sex change is his particular interesting reason...he's in the public eye now, and I think it's only natural to consider him.

And why was he in the news? his sex change. Was well under the radar before this. I don't care why they consider him, I don't care why he is one there, I have no reason to wish him ill will. You seem to be the one fighting over it. Weather or not you allow it to be shoved down your throat is irrelevant, they are trying. It doesn't bother me that he had the sex change, so I watched some of the stuff because it was interesting, but it was on every time you turned around. AGain, you are trying to make it sound like I have a problem with him being on there, I don't.

 

[No.17CherryTreeLane]

The comment can be interpreted a couple of ways.

If the person who made the comment feels that the mere presence of Chaz on DWTS is a moral affront, then yes.....that's terribly cruel. Shame on that person.

But if the person who made the comment is concerned that ABC, Hollywood, etc. may use this situation to disparage Christians and Mainstream America
(the "Chaz vs. the hateful Christians" scenario) ...then I have to agree with the comment. Shame on ABC.

 

[furb & dez]

But if the person who made the comment is concerned that ABC, Hollywood, etc. may use this situation to disparage Christians and Mainstream America
(the "Chaz vs. the hateful Christians" scenario) ...then I have to agree with the comment. Shame on ABC.

LOL

"Oh, those horribly oppressed majorities!" (sadface)(sadface)(sadface)

 

[nmmom95]

HIs interviews and the media, started long before DWTS. Maybe you have been under a rock. In fact he did a whole reality show on VH1 or MTV or something like that, it was about all the hardships of going through this experience of changing genders. And what I should have added, is that I don't have a problem with him taking advantage of it. Most people on this show are has beens or something different about them.. Come on, Paul McCartney's ex, Kate Gosselin, Nancy Grace. Really, do I need to spell it out. Sure they have some legit stars, but don't turn what I said into something ugly. I don't care what he does, but I can guarantee you that if he didn't have the sex change, he most likely wouldn't be on the show.

I have to disagree with the bolded. The child of Cher and Sonny Bono has at least the public interest of the daughter of Sarah Palin. Like many others, I scratch my head at the loose definition of "stars" on that show.

As for Chaz, I admire anyone with the courage to public stand up for equality.

 

[lizanne]

I haven't read all the posts so this may have been discussed.

I wonder how people feel about Carson Kressley whom I believe is an openly gay man. I really don't get why people are so upset with Chaz. He was so unhappy in his life as a girl that he went to extreme measures to correct the situation. He seems very happy now. As far as I know he's not hurting anyone - he's entitled to live his life.

If you don't want to watch the show, don't.

There are many people who are so depressed with their lives that they commit suicide. That hardly seems like the right choice...