More for Less: A Theme Park Planning Strategy

[wisblue]

Remember the thread Wis, where you accused LT of misquoting you and falsifying information?

Yes, I remember it, and at the time it was thoroughly hashed out how the misunderstanding occurred. And, when I discovered that I had made a mistake, I apologized for it. That's how I was brought up.

If you think LT's representation of his past WDW experience was not misleading, that's up to you.

 

[Laketravis]

When you post things on a public forum, especially in a context where you are trying to draw attention to yourself (SAVE $20,000 WITH MY STRATEGY) some people are going to notice and remember. I couldn't care less if you visited WDW at all from the early 70's until 2010. But, if you're going to try to present yourself as a long time regular visitor, I think it's fair for people to know the truth.

Wis, that is so misleading. The title of the other thread is not "Save $20K with my strategy", it's how I calculate "I will save $20K". And the numbers are there. Numbers.

I couldn't care less if you visited WDW at all from the early 70's until 2010.

Then why did you PM me this morning asking me about it? What another misleading thing to say, because you obviously did care.

These ridiculous attacks are just that. If it is your intent to have the thread closed and the discussion muted, personal attacks can be dealt with by the moderators on an individual basis without having to shut down a thread. Otherwise, there are others who would appreciate the continued ability to contribute to this thread without risk of being personally attacked.





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[Laketravis]

Just read the rest of strategy and plan and lists of attractions, looks good! Looking forward to hearing how it all turned out

So am I - getting a little concerned about travel times between the various destinations but there's enough room to tweak them if necessary. Except for the first night, and so far I've been having a little difficulty re-arranging my FP's to provide some cushion but I'm still working on it.

I anticipate a copious amount of note taking during this little exercise, hopefully it will benefit others.

 

[Cormoran]

Yes, I remember it, and at the time it was thoroughly hashed out how the misunderstanding occurred. And, when I discovered that I had made a mistake, I apologized for it. That's how I was brought up.

If you think LT's representation of his past WDW experience was not misleading, that's up to you.

First of all what does his past representation of his WDW experience have to do with this trip planning thread? This is about his upcoming trips, isn't it?

If you were brought up to know better, then why are you trying to prove your points through character assassination? Again I ask, why not post your own cost comparison instead of trying to constantly attack LT? I know how much you love Disney and that's great, but must you continuously hurl verbal stones at another Disney lover who has a different opinion than you?

 

[johde]

All you're proving is that you should give up any hope of a career as a travel agent.

Every question you pose, every suspicion you put forth, has already been addressed or proven otherwise elsewhere in this thread. You are either not reading it or you are choosing to ignore it.

For instance, I pointed you to a site where you can book a very nice multi-bedroom condo for as little as $199 a week ($28 a night plus tax and cleaning fee) "if you sign up for their special alerts". You checked the site and claim that I gave false information because you couldn't find a condo for less than $299 a week (still a great deal). But I specifically told you that you have to sign up for their alerts to get the $199 deals.

Additionally, the condo that I keep referring to as $242 a week is a 3-Star, 1 bedroom condo with washer/dryer and a full kitchen. I've posted a copy of the reservation which clearly shows the Hotwire designation as 3-star. Yet you continue to refer to it as some sort of roach motel and how it isn't fair to compare CSR to it. Other posters have already and accurately explained how I'm being more than generous to CSR with my comparisons.

These are just two examples but as I've pointed out all of your claims have been previously answered and addressed.


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If you read again, I'm not the one that claiming your numbers are made up. I'm saying your claim are probably reasonable. My last 2 trips to Orlando have butted up against the fringe of Christmas to New Years. The most expensive time of the year. Given the numbers I was able to get that time of year, your numbers seem reasonable. My last trip wasn't perfect, I paid more for the rental car than I wanted to and in hind site I should have possibly rearranged my trip slightly.

 

[wisblue]

Then why did you PM me this morning asking me about it? What a misleading thing to say, because you obviously did care.
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So much for private messages being kept private. My formerly private message to you was triggered by your post in the thread about how hard it is to stay offsite and leave and return to the parks, not this one.

I DON'T care how many times you have visited WDW. But, I do care if posters misrepresent how many times they have visited because that can tend to mislead others into knowing how much weight to give your opinions.

 

[wisblue]

First of all what does his past representation of his WDW experience have to do with this trip planning thread? This is about his upcoming trips, isn't it?

If you were brought up to know better, then why are you trying to prove your points through character assassination? Again I ask, why not post your own cost comparison instead of trying to constantly attack LT? I know how much you love Disney and that's great, but must you continuously hurl verbal stones at another Disney lover who has a different opinion than you?

If you go back through this thread, I have not questioned his cost comparisons. I asked a question about how he got the low rental car rate, offered a suggestion about how he could structure his day at Epcot to get the rides he wanted more quickly, and have questioned if the plan would make sense for anyone who doesn't have enough trips planned to justify the expense of annual passes. I also questioned whether the cost savings he presented would offset the extra hassle of driving around the area to make multiple stops in one day and have said that if you aren't going to spend any time at a resort, there isn't much advantage to staying at a fancy one. So, please don't attribute to me things that other people have said.

As for hurling verbal stones at another Disney lover who has a different opinion, maybe you should check the record of your favorite poster. I don't consider being called a member of the "Disney FP+ PR Team" to be a compliment because it carries a pretty clear accusation that anyone who says they like FP+ must be getting paid by Disney to do so. Ironically, even LT is now seeing that FP+ can have advantages if you use your FPs later in the day and do something else the rest of the day. It shouldn't matter if those other things are going somewhere offsite, sleeping later, or going to a Disney park in the morning and either coming back or going to another one later.

 

[Laketravis]

My formerly private message to you was triggered by your post in the thread about how hard it is to stay offsite and leave and return to the parks, not this one..

Oh, okay. I guess it was just an amazing coincidence then. Especially how you worded the question. I assume since you removed your other comment from the quote that you agree it was misleading?

I don't consider being called a member of the "Disney FP+ PR Team" to be a compliment because it carries a pretty clear accusation that anyone who says they like FP+ must be getting paid by Disney to do so..

I honestly don't remember ever calling you that.

By the way, for everyone's benefit, could you show us how to search for posts within a thread that hasn't had any new posts in almost three years on this new forum? I don't seem to have that capability and am wondering if it takes special tools.



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[BugsDaddy]

And this makes LT's theme park strategy thread total garbage... How? If everyone thinks he's such a liar, why do you continue to post on the thread? What do you think you are proving? The only thing I see is a bunch of playground bullies who never learn.
Remember the thread Wis, where you accused LT of misquoting you and falsifying information? I seem to remember the same tactics were employed as are being used on this thread. The last time you did this, Wis, and Disneykidds, you ended up being wrong and apologizing to LT. But this was after several pages of posts berating LT and calling him a liar. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Is this how you teach your children to behave?
We all have our own opinions and we have the right to express them, but I don't think conducting another witch hunt is fair or appropriate.
Again, I just don't get it. If I was unhappy with a thread, I would move on, especially since this is the best way to kill a thread.
I'm enjoying LT's strategy, I think there are other people out there who are also enjoying it. I'm very disappointed that this is thread is devolving into a petty attack that has no relevance to the topic at hand.

Actually, I think this was my first post on this thread. This is a public message board. If someone wants to post his or her ideas and solicit opinions, be prepared for some criticism. As you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if the opinion is that the OP is just trolling for controversy, then that is entitled to be expressed as well. If someone wants to do enough research to expose some discrepancies in the OPs story, then so be it. I am not sure why you are getting so fired up about it. Do you see this as a battle you want to fight for him against all of the mean bullies that are picking on him? If so, knock yourself out.

 

[Cormoran]

If you go back through this thread, I have not questioned his cost comparisons. I asked a question about how he got the low rental car rate, offered a suggestion about how he could structure his day at Epcot to get the rides he wanted more quickly, and have questioned if the plan would make sense for anyone who doesn't have enough trips planned to justify the expense of annual passes. I also questioned whether the cost savings he presented would offset the extra hassle of driving around the area to make multiple stops in one day and have said that if you aren't going to spend any time at a resort, there isn't much advantage to staying at a fancy one. So, please don't attribute to me things that other people have said.

As for hurling verbal stones at another Disney lover who has a different opinion, maybe you should check the record of your favorite poster. I don't consider being called a member of the "Disney FP+ PR Team" to be a compliment because it carries a pretty clear accusation that anyone who says they like FP+ must be getting paid by Disney to do so. Ironically, even LT is now seeing that FP+ can have advantages if you use your FPs later in the day and do something else the rest of the day. It shouldn't matter if those other things are going somewhere offsite, sleeping later, or going to a Disney park in the morning and either coming back or going to another one later.

I can't speak for anyone else but I promise I will never accuse you of being a Kool-aide drinker or a member of Disney's PR team (too bad you aren't, you might get into the parks for free).... you disney lover! I also see the benefits of FP+ for afternoon or early evening. It will allow me the freedom to see other things around Orlando. I'm looking forward to that. It sounds like you have also enjoyed reading LT's theme park strategy, ... even if you don't like the name! LT's not my favorite poster, but I do share a lot of his opinions, just as you do with other posters. I think we all gravitate to like minded people. But the one thing all of us have in common is a feirce love of Disney.
Thank you for hearing me and not making fun of me. I really appreciate it.

 

[Laketravis]

Actually, I think this was my first post on this thread. This is a public message board. If someone wants to post his or her ideas and solicit opinions, be prepared for some criticism. As you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if the opinion is that the OP is just trolling for controversy, then that is entitled to be expressed as well. If someone wants to do enough research to expose some discrepancies in the OPs story, then so be it. I am not sure why you are getting so fired up about it. Do you see this as a battle you want to fight for him against all of the mean bullies that are picking on him? If so, knock yourself out.

I have no problem explaining numbers and how I arrive at any particular calculation. I do have an issue with what appears to be a team working to find a thread that is almost three years old (how?) in order to dispute the meaning of the words "In over 40 years" and use that to launch a personal attack on another.




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[Cormoran]

Actually, I think this was my first post on this thread. This is a public message board. If someone wants to post his or her ideas and solicit opinions, be prepared for some criticism. As you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if the opinion is that the OP is just trolling for controversy, then that is entitled to be expressed as well. If someone wants to do enough research to expose some discrepancies in the OPs story, then so be it. I am not sure why you are getting so fired up about it. Do you see this as a battle you want to fight for him against all of the mean bullies that are picking on him? If so, knock yourself out.

Seriously, I would fight for anyone in these same circumstances. Annonymity on these boards allows us all to say things without a filter and at times it becomes pretty discouraging and downright mean spirited. I'm hoping that I will learn a lesson from this by posting as if I was speaking to someone face to face. I'm just as guilty as everyone else, but I'm hoping I can learn to criticize a post without hurling insults at the poster.

 

[johde]

By the way, for everyone's benefit, could you show us how to search for posts within a thread that hasn't had any new posts in almost three years on this new forum? I don't seem to have that capability and am wondering if it takes special tools.
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I don't know if the upgrade is any better but most of the time under the old software I use google. For Example, if I'd google site:disboards.com laketravis I should get all of the threads on the site Disboards.com you've posted to as well as any threads with posts that referenced your user name.

 

[Laketravis]

Actually, I think this was my first post on this thread. This is a public message board. If someone wants to post his or her ideas and solicit opinions, be prepared for some criticism. As you mentioned, everyone is entitled to their opinion. And if the opinion is that the OP is just trolling for controversy, then that is entitled to be expressed as well. If someone wants to do enough research to expose some discrepancies in the OPs story, then so be it. I am not sure why you are getting so fired up about it. Do you see this as a battle you want to fight for him against all of the mean bullies that are picking on him? If so, knock yourself out.

Bugs, could you explain what you mean by that?

 

[BugsDaddy]

I have no problem explaining numbers and how I arrive at any particular calculation. I do have an issue with what appears to be a team working to find a thread that is almost three years old (how?) in order to dispute the meaning of the words "In over 40 years" and use that to launch a personal attack on another.




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I think what they were trying to imply by their posting was that you have shown to be inconsistent and misleading with some of your statements over the course of time and that your true agenda here is not to paint an accurate picture of off site vs. onsite and FP+. They are implying that your true agenda here is to deliberately mislead people into believing that is your intention when it is really just to find another way to try disparage the FP+ system which you seem to dislike.

Does it matter if the misleading statements came three years ago or last week?

Not that it is the same thing but in a court of law if a witness is caught in a lie or misrepresentation under oath, regardless if it directly related to the case, their entire testimony can be thrown out.

It's really not my battle. I just think it is amusing to watch.

 

[BugsDaddy]

Bugs, could you explain what you mean by that?

I think that your detractors have concluded that your strategy that has now spilled over into two separate threads is just an attempt to further your antagonistic viewpoint on FP+ in an effort to solicit adverse responses and have a back and forth with the usual suspects. aka trolling.

 

[Laketravis]

I think what they were trying to imply by their posting was that you have shown to be inconsistent and misleading with some of your statements over the course of time and that your true agenda here is not to paint an accurate picture of off site vs. onsite and FP+. They are implying that your true agenda here is to deliberately mislead people into believing that is your intention when it is really just to find another way to try disparage the FP+ system which you seem to dislike.....

Thanks. Of course, the statements themselves would need to be shown to be misleading. What I'm really interested in knowing is how frequently one must visit WDW "over 40 years" in order to be deemed eligible to use those three words.

And of course, all statements - regardless of who makes them - would and should be held to the same level of scrutiny.

Of course.

 

[wisblue]

Especially how you worded the question. I assume since you removed your other comment from the quote that you agree it was misleading?
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You know what they say about assuming. I didn't refer to the $20,000 comment because I didn't think it was worth it. My original comment was not meant to be the exact title of the other thread (note the lack of quotation marks), but if failing to use the exact tile offended you, I apologize. I stand by my observation that the title was meant to call attention to the thread (and to you), and I will say from the number of views the thread has received, you succeeded.

 

[Laketravis]

I think that your detractors have concluded that your strategy that has now spilled over into two separate threads is just an attempt to further your antagonistic viewpoint on FP+ in an effort to solicit adverse responses and have a back and forth with the usual suspects. aka trolling.

Which is something they would certainly be compelled to do if they would like to see a thread shut down for whatever reason. Makes sense.

It's good to understand their strategy, because I would like to see this thread stand on it's own merits - which is how to use FP+ as part of a theme park strategy to accomplish more while spending less.

I intend to show that, unless someone believes that's trolling?


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[WillAustin]

I think that your detractors have concluded that your strategy that has now spilled over into two separate threads is just an attempt to further your antagonistic viewpoint on FP+ in an effort to solicit adverse responses and have a back and forth with the usual suspects. aka trolling.

I think if "the usual suspects" left the thread alone, it would probably be better off. Taking the time to go back through someone's posts from years ago sounds like someone else has an agenda anyway.

I can show anyone how FP+ has materially changed our plans and is going to save us a bunch of money while we get to do more things than we'd normally get to do. It's amazing that so many of "the usual suspects" have a problem with this idea.