Monorails to no longer operate during Evening Extra Magic Hours

[Zeppelin]

Might be, a bar fight.

then i better get my bottle of Heineken so i can smash it over someone- cans are good for throwing but rather inaccurate....

 

[kaytieeldr]

cut·back [kuht-bak] –noun
1: something cut back
2: reduction ex cutback in funding, services
Since Disney won't be running the monorail as many hours, it is a reduction in service, so it is a cutback.

And when the monorail isn't running, for whatever reason, buses and launches will be running in its place. A cutback is when something - funding, service, heat, hours - isn't provided at all. The buses and boats are a replacement, substitute, alternative form, whatever term you choose.

This isn't WDW saying, "Too bad, so sad, CR/BLT guests take the boat to WL then another boat to CR; Poly/GF guests take the same WL boat then walk through to the front of the hotel, take the DtD bus to the GF and then the Poly guests can walk back to their hotel from there or they can go all the way to DtD and transfer to the CR/Poly bus".

This also isn't WDW saying, "No more monorail all day every day for X days". During normal park hours - and an hour after and at least an hour (two?) before, the monorail will run as usual. For some hours some nights, it'll be replaced by buses and boats. It's regrettable - truly - that so many people are upset about it. But if the alternative IS to shut down the monorail completely, even one loop at a time, how happy will you all be?

 

[mom2rtk]

And when the monorail isn't running, for whatever reason, buses and launches will be running in its place. A cutback is when something - funding, service, heat, hours - isn't provided at all. The buses and boats are a replacement, substitute, alternative form, whatever term you choose.

This isn't WDW saying, "Too bad, so sad, CR/BLT guests take the boat to WL then another boat to CR; Poly/GF guests take the same WL boat then walk through to the front of the hotel, take the DtD bus to the GF and then the Poly guests can walk back to their hotel from there or they can go all the way to DtD and transfer to the CR/Poly bus".

This also isn't WDW saying, "No more monorail all day every day for X days". During normal park hours - and an hour after and at least an hour (two?) before, the monorail will run as usual. For some hours some nights, it'll be replaced by buses and boats. It's regrettable - truly - that so many people are upset about it. But if the alternative IS to shut down the monorail completely, even one loop at a time, how happy will you all be?

It might be a CHANGE in transportation. But it is most assuredly a CUTBACK in monorail service.

So you're OK with paying for a lobster bar and finding chicken substituted? It's only a change, right?

 

[honeymo78]

I'm still confused as to how these lines for split buses are going to be insanely worse than the line for the monorail line which served 4 stops.

Honestly a bus back from Epcot to CR/BLT is something I'd look forward to, rather than having to transfer at TTC then ride almost all the way around the loop to CR.

 

[puntagordabob]

I'm still confused as to how these lines for split buses are going to be insanely worse than the line for the monorail line which served 4 stops.

Honestly a bus back from Epcot to CR/BLT is something I'd look forward to, rather than having to transfer at TTC then ride almost all the way around the loop to CR.

Monorail has a large capacity.....a bus has a far small one....

Busses arrive around 20 minutes apart... if there is a substantial line you are going to be there 2 or 3 busses

 

[Nicole786]

Has anyone been to the parks recently and dealt with this change? I'm curious how the finer details have worked out. For me, the monorail service is a huge reason to stay at the MK resorts. I stayed at the Poly last year and dream of returning one day, if not solely because of the monorail. We often do EMH evening so I'm curious how this has worked out. It sounds like its gonna be far more trouble than its worth to do Epcot EMH

 

[morethananyonex]

It might be a CHANGE in transportation. But it is most assuredly a CUTBACK in monorail service.

So you're OK with paying for a lobster bar and finding chicken substituted? It's only a change, right?

Don't hold your breath for a response. Whenever questions of that nature have been asked they've been ignored.

 

[smidgy]

when we booked our stay, the monorail was an integral part of that stay.

 

[honeymo78]

Monorail has a large capacity.....a bus has a far small one....

Busses arrive around 20 minutes apart... if there is a substantial line you are going to be there 2 or 3 busses

I'm pretty sure they send multiple buses at the end of emh like at park closing. I've had to wait for a second monorail more times than I've waited for a second bus with the exception of my one stay at pop. Hundreds of people heading to the monorail resorts will create a wait, even for the monorail. It's not like switching to a bus magically makes more people leave at the same time.

 

[honeymo78]

Has anyone been to the parks recently and dealt with this change? I'm curious how the finer details have worked out. For me, the monorail service is a huge reason to stay at the MK resorts. I stayed at the Poly last year and dream of returning one day, if not solely because of the monorail. We often do EMH evening so I'm curious how this has worked out. It sounds like its gonna be far more trouble than its worth to do Epcot EMH

It seems that Epcot emh transportation is working ok. There have been at least two emh nights and we haven't seen/heard any horror stories here or on the transportation board.

 

[Arnir]

I keeping seeing that scene from Princess Bride in my head.
"Inconceivable!" (For us it is cutback)
"I don't think that word means what you think it means."

 

[brunette8706]

And when the monorail isn't running, for whatever reason, buses and launches will be running in its place. A cutback is when something - funding, service, heat, hours - isn't provided at all. The buses and boats are a replacement, substitute, alternative form, whatever term you choose.

This isn't WDW saying, "Too bad, so sad, CR/BLT guests take the boat to WL then another boat to CR; Poly/GF guests take the same WL boat then walk through to the front of the hotel, take the DtD bus to the GF and then the Poly guests can walk back to their hotel from there or they can go all the way to DtD and transfer to the CR/Poly bus".

This also isn't WDW saying, "No more monorail all day every day for X days". During normal park hours - and an hour after and at least an hour (two?) before, the monorail will run as usual. For some hours some nights, it'll be replaced by buses and boats. It's regrettable - truly - that so many people are upset about it. But if the alternative IS to shut down the monorail completely, even one loop at a time, how happy will you all be?

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Let me try to correct the "disconnect" here. From DICTIONARY.COM:

Idioms & Phrases
cut back 1.Shorten by cutting, prune, as in It's time we cut back these bushes . [1860s]

2.Reduce, decrease, as in They are going to cut back defense spending , or We have to cut back production . [c. 1940] Also see cut to the bone.

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Now with that said a cutback is to "reduce" or "decrease". We should all still be able to concur that the monorail service is "cutback" since it is a "decrease" in service. I just want to make sure everyone is on the same page since the definition isn't made up by me or anyone else, it's defined in, dicitionary.com.

Brunette

 

[carlton the bear]

You actually consider alternate transportation equivalent to being ripped off? I consider $3.80 for a gallon of gas a rip-off. I consider downsizing tuna cans to five ounces with no price cut a rip-off. I consider (at least one company) downsizing gallons of milk to three quarts a rip-off. But replacing one form of transportation with another? Hardly.

Disagree. If you don't like the size of your tuna can, buy another brand. Same thing for your millk comparison. I am sorry, but if I am paying $500+ a night to stay at a monorail resort I don't want to be inconvenienced and take a bus. The fact is the bus service will take me much longer to get back to my hotel than the monorail. But just like your can of tuna, I can choose to stay at a non monorail resort hotel for less money. Let's see how fast WDW restores what everybody says is a cutback (except you) when people choose to stay at cheaper hotels and their revenues start to fall.

 

[nytimez]

I keeping seeing that scene from Princess Bride in my head.
"Inconceivable!" (For us it is cutback)
"I don't think that word means what you think it means."

Absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable!

 

[maiapapaya]

And when the monorail isn't running, for whatever reason, buses and launches will be running in its place. A cutback is when something - funding, service, heat, hours - isn't provided at all. The buses and boats are a replacement, substitute, alternative form, whatever term you choose ...

This also isn't WDW saying, "No more monorail all day every day for X days". During normal park hours - and an hour after and at least an hour (two?) before, the monorail will run as usual. For some hours some nights, it'll be replaced by buses and boats. It's regrettable - truly - that so many people are upset about it. But if the alternative IS to shut down the monorail completely, even one loop at a time, how happy will you all be?

As KSDisneyDad said several pages back, in business especially, perception=reality. So even if this isn't a cutback (which I seriously don't get how you seem to want to argue this 'til you're blue in the face, even against the defined meaning of the word) based on the perception of the majority of monorail resort posters here it is. When these are the people that are shelling out the big bucks to Disney to stay at these resorts maybe TPTB should pay attention. After all, you don't bite the hand that feeds. And it has nothing to do with elitism or snobbery or thinking we're too good to ride the bus. It has to do with getting the product you perceived you paid for.

And you know as someone who normally stays at a monorail resort I think I would prefer complete loop shut downs, one at a time (I even posted this), if this is really for some much needed overhaul type maintenance AND WDW gave LOTS of notice so that people could alter their plans if desired/necessary and discounted the rates at the monorail resorts to reflect the loss of this important amentity (to the appeal of these properties). They could probably accomplish a lot more and get the job done a lot faster, therefore returing to normal service, rather than doing this dance they have started with their cutbacks in service (that may or may not affect parties, may or may not be permanent ... )

 

[kaytieeldr]

Monorail has a large capacity.....a bus has a far small one....

Busses arrive around 20 minutes apart... if there is a substantial line you are going to be there 2 or 3 busses

Well, it's true an individual bus holds fewer passengers than a monorail train. But Walt Disney World is good at transportation management, including stacking up two, sometimes three buses when it's really busy, as well as dispatching buses more frequently when needed.
Plus, they're not using a single route/bus for all four stops from Epcot; there's no reason to think they'd do that at the MK either. Thinking about it, what would make the most sense is combining CR/BLT with WL; Poly and GF; and a separate route for the TTC.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It might be a CHANGE in transportation. But it is most assuredly a CUTBACK in monorail service.

So you're OK with paying for a lobster bar and finding chicken substituted? It's only a change, right?

Okay, fine. For anybody refusing to accept that Disney isn't leaving anybody stranded at a resort or park, this change is apparently a cutback. For people who realize the monorails will be operating a minimum of twelve hours a day (eleven, possibly, at the Magic Kingdom on the two NOJ days) and that there's alternate transportation being provided after the monorail shuts down, it's a change.

No, they didn't give you all a lot of notice. They likely gave as much notice as they had/could, but then I don't believe in conspiracy theories or that 'some bean counter absconded with the monorail repair money (neither of which you claimed, just random things from this thread ).

And I don't eat lobster, so it wouldn't matter to me what they served. Well, I guess it would. If I knew they were serving chicken, I'd have gone to the dinner . But that's not a reasonable comparison - Disney is giving as much advance notice as they can. In the lobster bar/chicken example (and the Heineken/Meister Brau/Schlitz one) the change is sprung as a complete surprise, after you arrive/order.

 

[kaytieeldr]

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Let me try to correct the "disconnect" here. From DICTIONARY.COM:

Idioms & Phrases
cut back 1.Shorten by cutting, prune, as in It's time we cut back these bushes . [1860s]

2.Reduce, decrease, as in They are going to cut back defense spending , or We have to cut back production . [c. 1940] Also see cut to the bone.

Brunette

The word cutback has its own definition, separate from an idiom or phrase that needs to be exemplified by trimming foliage.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Plus, they're not using a single route/bus for all four stops from Epcot; there's no reason to think they'd do that at the MK either. Thinking about it, what would make the most sense is combining CR/BLT with WL; Poly and GF; and a separate route for the TTC.

Well you forgot that the guests staying at the Contemporary and Bay Lake Tower also have the walkway from the Magic Kingdom, so there is no reason for them to add a bus and I doubt they will. I can see them adding a bus for the Polynesian and Grand Floridian, although since those two resorts share a boat when leaving the Magic Kingdom I think WDW would rather have those guests take them instead and adding extra boats when the Resort Monorail is closed.

 

[rie'smom]

And when the monorail isn't running, for whatever reason, buses and launches will be running in its place. A cutback is when something - funding, service, heat, hours - isn't provided at all. The buses and boats are a replacement, substitute, alternative form, whatever term you choose.

This isn't WDW saying, "Too bad, so sad, CR/BLT guests take the boat to WL then another boat to CR; Poly/GF guests take the same WL boat then walk through to the front of the hotel, take the DtD bus to the GF and then the Poly guests can walk back to their hotel from there or they can go all the way to DtD and transfer to the CR/Poly bus".

This also isn't WDW saying, "No more monorail all day every day for X days". During normal park hours - and an hour after and at least an hour (two?) before, the monorail will run as usual. For some hours some nights, it'll be replaced by buses and boats. It's regrettable - truly - that so many people are upset about it. But if the alternative IS to shut down the monorail completely, even one loop at a time, how happy will you all be?

I was curious when I saw your earlier post so I looked it up in the dictionary and posted the definition. It stated reduction in service as a definition which is applicable to Disney's cutback on the monorail hours of service.
You see it your way and I see it mine.