Monorails to no longer operate during Evening Extra Magic Hours

[doconeill]

In commercial copy, the accepted (and more correct and legal) terminology is "at no extra charge."

Example:

"Buy a set of four new Leapyear Optium tires and get a 36" flat-screen TV at no extra charge."

They used to allow the word "free," but that is now considered inappropriate in many cases.

Even "Buy One- Get One Free" can be seen changing (in many cases)
to "Buy One-Get One." ("BO-GO.")

I haven't seen much of a change lately, although BOGO has been used for a variety of deals, like "buy one, get another at 50%" type stuff, and they more prominently tell you know which one you get for the offer (the cheaper one).

I have noticed that more increasingly such deals will also include "at the regular price" on the "buy" side of the equation, which is appropriate for the "I don't want to call it free" dining offer...

 

[kaligal]

For Pete's sake. I'm not talking about whether it is legal or not. I don't even care if it is legal or not.

I'm just saying that it isn't free. You have to pay for it.

Disney can call it "free" dining all day long. That doesn't mean it is free.

 

[doconeill]

For Pete's sake. I'm not talking about whether it is legal or not. I don't even care if it is legal or not.

I'm just saying that it isn't free. You have to pay for it.

Disney can call it "free" dining all day long. That doesn't mean it is free.

It was called a lie. If it was a lie it would be false advertising and illegal. Like I said, semantics.

Technically, they don't give ANYTHING away for free. You are paying for it one way or the other. It's all internal funny money anyways.

 

[GadgetRick]

And, they also USED to more conservatively limit the number of tickets sold to the hard ticket parties.

E-Ride nights would have undoubtedly morphed (by now) into something much more akin to EMH anyway.

Things change.

I loved E-ride nights, but it's not hard to see that they would have changed.

Well-said. I loved E-ticket nights, however, when they introduced EMH it was a positive thing. E-ticket nights weren't advertised, not many people knew about them, was almost a secret and that kept the crowds lower.

EMH was cool because they added more nights and it was included with the cost of your stay/ticket. Of course, this meant crowds grew into what they are now. I don't like the crowds but I still think EMH is a good thing. If I'm going to be selfish, I would rather have the old E-ticket nights back though.

 

[going/again]

Well the only thing we use that other guests don't is the Club Level service when staying at the Deluxe Resorts. However those rooms are more expensive then the Standard Rooms, so I can't think of anything else we use that others don't.

There all sort of things we all pay for, but some dont use, pools, buses, just 2 off the top of my head.

 

[juliebug1997]

My apologies if this has already been answered but my eyes glazed over after the first ten pages....

Do we know how this is going to affect party nights? Last year, it was great to walk to the monorail at the end of MVMCP and just ride over to the Poly. TIA!

 

[doconeill]

My apologies if this has already been answered but my eyes glazed over after the first ten pages....

Do we know how this is going to affect party nights? Last year, it was great to walk to the monorail at the end of MVMCP and just ride over to the Poly. TIA!

Initially it looked like it would affect them, but then Disney stated that they are undecided regarding the parties at this time.

 

[kaligal]

My apologies if this has already been answered but my eyes glazed over after the first ten pages....

Do we know how this is going to affect party nights? Last year, it was great to walk to the monorail at the end of MVMCP and just ride over to the Poly. TIA!

Like a pp said, we don't know for sure.

Doesn't look good, though.

 

[going/again]

While that is true don't forget when guests stay Club Level at the Deluxe Resorts any purchases they want sent to their resort go right to their room, so they are the only ones who don't need to pick up their items at the resort gift shop.

So according to you earlier post you pay club level for the room only, now you are getting more service from package delivery, nothing to do with the room cost it?

 

[kaligal]

So according to you earlier post you pay club level for the room only, now you are getting more service from package delivery, nothing to do with the room cost it?

No, it's a club level thing only. Everyone else has to pick up in the gift shop or bring the stuff back to the hotel themselves.

Package delivery is the ONLY thing I miss now that I don't stay in club level rooms. It's really nice, but it isn't worth the $125/night or whatever it is now.

 

[TLSnell1981]

It was called a lie. If it was a lie it would be false advertising and illegal. Like I said, semantics.

Technically, they don't give ANYTHING away for free. You are paying for it one way or the other. It's all internal funny money anyways.

"Free" and "sale", two of the most misleading words, used in marketing..IMO

 

[going/again]

Yes. Me.

"Free dining" would mean you're eating for free. "Free dining plan" means you're buying something that is called "free".

I do get what you're saying, but "free" dining is not free. and some people (I don't know about that particular poster) get a little tired of hearing it called "free."

Another Disney lie. It's not free.

It is in the UK when you get 42% off rack rate and free dining.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I haven't seen much of a change lately, although BOGO has been used for a variety of deals, like "buy one, get another at 50%" type stuff, and they more prominently tell you know which one you get for the offer (the cheaper one).

I have noticed that more increasingly such deals will also include "at the regular price" on the "buy" side of the equation, which is appropriate for the "I don't want to call it free" dining offer...

Too funny. I will have to borrow the "I don't want to call it free" dining offer phrase to prevent the free dining police from stating the obvious in the future.

I do find it appropriate that this thread is one to look to cynical on a discount offer that has helped so many families enjoy WDW at a deep discount because we all know that Disney is always trying to charge more and provide less so all positives from new attractions, queue refurbs and new discount offers are nothing but freebies from huge corporate sponsors or are evil attempts to mislead.

Back to topic. Shutting down the monorail early is frustrating and very disaponting but will it really ruin a vacation?

 

[Bullseye]

In the grand scheme of things, this change doesn't affect me very much. We always rent a car and our home resort is BLT. If I stay at a different DVC resort and attend MK EMH or Event, then it will affect me. But it's not the end of the world!

For several years there have been numerous threads about the delays and problems with the monorail. Now they cut back the operational hours for additional maintenance time and every one cries "money-grubbing Disney conspiracy". Even if they are just cutting service to waylay some costs, the economy sucks, every industry is cutting back service and/or net content. Why would Disney be any different?

On another note...4 years ago I paid $4,000 for vacation package (Room and park). 3 years ago I paid $4,100 for the same vacation package except we had "free" dining plan. So for about the same package cost YOY, WDW fed us over a 10 day period and I didn't reach into my wallet once. You know, considering we did about 7 character meals... it sure felt free to me!

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

So according to you earlier post you pay club level for the room only, now you are getting more service from package delivery, nothing to do with the room cost it?

No I never said that. All I said was that's one extra perk guests get when staying Club Level. So if someone wants to have their purchases delivered to their rooms and not pick them up at the stores of their resort, then they should pick one of their Deluxe Resorts and stay Club Level.

Another perk they get is being meet by a Cast Member when they arrive, who will then escrot them up to the Club Level lounge so they can check-in and not have to do that in the lobby. So would you say that's not fair to those not staying Club Level?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Another perk they get is being meet by a Cast Member when they arrive, who will then escrot them up to the Club Level lounge so they can check-in and not have to do that in the lobby. So would you say that's not fair to those not staying Club Level?

Perfectly fair. You are paying for extra services, privileges, etc... and have every right to use them.

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

Perfectly fair. You are paying for extra services, privileges, etc... and have every right to use them.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

fwiw, all Universal onsite guests get room delivery; you don't have to be at CL to get it.

 

[snykymom]

It's funny how everyone is now so nostalgic for E-nights. When I was there during E-nights, I always felt nickled-and-dimed. Why should I have to pay extra? Wasn't I paying enough? (Sounds like some people grousing about the parties, doesn't it?) So we never used it. But we use EEMH all the time - we're late sleepers and don't do rope drop.

I'd guess that many people felt like I did, and that's why Disney got rid of E-nights.

 

[DebbieB]

It's funny how everyone is now so nostalgic for E-nights. When I was there during E-nights, I always felt nickled-and-dimed. Why should I have to pay extra? Wasn't I paying enough? (Sounds like some people grousing about the parties, doesn't it?) So we never used it. But we use EEMH all the time - we're late sleepers and don't do rope drop.

I'd guess that many people felt like I did, and that's why Disney got rid of E-nights.

I only did it once, about 10 years ago. It was so empty that we rode Splash Mt 2 or 3 times in a row without getting off because no one was waiting. That's great for the people who attend but doesn't make business sense to continue.