MM+ never materialized?

[Pkltm]

I never used it, I relied on my phone data plan. So I can't comment on that. Except in the resorts, I had a difficult time keeping my iPad connected.

Better wifi would seem to be a priority! Otherwise my suggestion would drive people even more loco! I know it would me!

As a Canadian my bill would be insane if I used the Data. We go once a year and sadly have to rely on the wifi, it was pretty frustrating last November I hope it improves before we get there in September

 

[Kobey]

I've seen plenty of posts saying there's not equal opportunity, but no solutions for it. What would make it fair to everyone? Pit fights for A&E FP's? Nope, unfair to smaller weaker people. Mad dash from the gate to a kiosk? Nope, unfair to slower people. Everyone can log on at the same time to get them? Nope, unfair to people with slower internet and last minute vacationers. I know, get rid of FP's for A&E altogether. Then everyone can stand in line for hours together. Oh, again the faster and earlier people would be in line first. Sorry, I'm all out of ideas.

A wise man once said, "Life isn't fair." I think it was my father when I didn't get a car for graduation.

 

[bcrook]

Not to be coy, but I am sure you already know. But the argument continues over semantics and whether it truly is a "plus".

But FP+, the features of MM+NAND its capabilities, and the Magic Band and its capabilities are the plusses.

But it seems folks disagree that those are "plusses".

I am sure more will be added some day.

This is why I started the thread in theme park attractions and strategies. Based on my diligent research I booked a trip expecting a plus experience. I looked forward to it. I didn't find any. The band isn't much different than kttw card was.

So, I am wondering if there is any evidence that more will added some day? This trip I was disappointed.

Here is the article from Theme Park Insider about the power of the Magic Band that provided much hype! It discusses potential in Pandora. If you read that article, and then plan a trip in 2017??? Then none of it comes to fruition, shouldn't I be disappointed? That is basically what happened this trip.

 

[Robo]

As a Canadian my bill would be insane if I used the Data. We go once a year and sadly have to rely on the wifi, it was pretty frustrating last November I hope it improves before we get there in September

From all I can tell, Disney appears to be very satisfied with the current state of their Wi-Fi
which, for the most part, is sub-poor. (And, no, I don't mean "sub-par.")

 

[DoingDisney]

10 day for your 10th day. At worst, anyone with 11 or more days (per the limitation) would be looking at the same time as you. Not the day before you.

But that is the extreme example if you are seeking an Anna and Elsa FP.
If you can cite other difficulties with ANY other attraction, I am open to hearing a it them.

So you admit that FP+ isn't equal opportunity, because there is no way to have equal access to FPs ... because someone always has an advantage, until your 10th day at least.

Where as Legacy FP was equal opportunity for everyone every day ...

 

[jtowntoflorida]

I've seen plenty of posts saying there's not equal opportunity, but no solutions for it. What would make it fair to everyone? Pit fights for A&E FP's? Nope, unfair to smaller weaker people. Mad dash from the gate to a kiosk? Nope, unfair to slower people. Everyone can log on at the same time to get them? Nope, unfair to people with slower internet and last minute vacationers. I know, get rid of FP's for A&E altogether. Then everyone can stand in line for hours together. Oh, again the faster and earlier people would be in line first. Sorry, I'm all out of ideas.

A wise man once said, "Life isn't fair." I think it was my father when I didn't get a car for graduation.

I think we all acknowledge that no system is going to be fair to everyone. But that wasn't what the debate was about--it's about opportunity, which is totally different from fairness, though people seem to be confusing the two. Lisalovespooh was positing that everyone has the same opportunity to book FP+s, and many of us disagreed. It wasn't that we're upset that the system isn't fair to some guests--we recognize that certain guests will benefit from the system more than others--but what we were trying to convey is that LLP is wrong when she says everyone has the same opportunity to book FP+. Because they don't. They can't. It's inherent in the system, which at its very core stratifies different guests into groups right at the outset, and thus gives different sets of guests different opportunities to book FP+ at times that work well for them. We're not talking about fairness here, we're talking about opportunity.

fairness
[fair-nis]
the state, condition, or quality of being fair, or free from bias or injustice; evenhandedness

opportunity
[op-er-too-ni-tee, -tyoo-]
1. an appropriate or favorable time or occasion
2. a situation or condition favorable for attainment of a goal
3. a good position, chance, or prospect, as for advancement or success

 

[bcrook]

From all I can tell, Disney appears to be very satisfied with the current state of their Wi-Fi
which, for the most part, is sub-poor. (And, no, I don't mean "sub-par.")

I just finished my Kidani post trip survey. They got bad ratings on wifi in the rooms and magic bands working on door. My magic band failed to work after long days in the park two out of 4 nights. I was by myself both times.

For those not familiar with Kidani it is a Hike from the rooms down by the Pembe Savannah to the front desk. I had already registered 28,000 steps and 11 miles on my walking app. That extra little walk was not necessary.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I've seen plenty of posts saying there's not equal opportunity, but no solutions for it. What would make it fair to everyone? Pit fights for A&E FP's? Nope, unfair to smaller weaker people. Mad dash from the gate to a kiosk? Nope, unfair to slower people. Everyone can log on at the same time to get them? Nope, unfair to people with slower internet and last minute vacationers. I know, get rid of FP's for A&E altogether. Then everyone can stand in line for hours together. Oh, again the faster and earlier people would be in line first. Sorry, I'm all out of ideas.

A wise man once said, "Life isn't fair." I think it was my father when I didn't get a car for graduation.

I don't think they can use this system and truly make it equal opportunity, nor do I think Disney wants that. The system has inherent inequalities..it just is what it is, and I accept that. I'm not looking for a solution because I don't think one is realistically going to happen. I was just surprised to see the case being made that it is equal opportunity. My personal experience biases me, yes, but I don't think I can ever agree with that.

 

[LOL!]

Not to be coy, but I am sure you already know..

Beyond what I listed as my own observations, I really don't know of any others and was hoping that you might be able to list a few beyond just the bands themselves which I already indicated I feel don't do much more than the KTTW cards did.

It's almost as if the interactive component and loyalty card aspect has been disconnected. It's so strange.

There are great loyalty card programs too. For example I love the Landrys Select Card, I now go out of my way to use it, I get little reminders and updates. I feel appreciated.

My Qdoba card is awesome as is my Red Robin card. And I get a lot of bang for my buck with my Hilton Honors card. I really thought Disney might go that direction.

See, something like that is exactly what I was really hoping for and feel would be substantive. The possibilities of using the collected data to build strong guest loyalty are immense. Awarding and keeping track of points for various activities and transactions would be an easy add to MM+ and could be redeemed for so many things - maybe even additional FP's !!

 

[DoingDisney]

I've seen plenty of posts saying there's not equal opportunity, but no solutions for it. What would make it fair to everyone? Pit fights for A&E FP's? Nope, unfair to smaller weaker people. Mad dash from the gate to a kiosk? Nope, unfair to slower people. Everyone can log on at the same time to get them? Nope, unfair to people with slower internet and last minute vacationers. I know, get rid of FP's for A&E altogether. Then everyone can stand in line for hours together. Oh, again the faster and earlier people would be in line first. Sorry, I'm all out of ideas.

A wise man once said, "Life isn't fair." I think it was my father when I didn't get a car for graduation.

Honestly, if it was 60 days, pre-booking, for all people (or any other "point in time") that would be as equal opportunity as you can get. But onsite/offsite split and the 60 +10 means its not equal opportunity.

 

[3DisneyFanz]

So does anyone have any real examples of the 'PLUS' in MyMagic?????

Sure. All of the extra people that were hired were probably pretty happy plus CMs now get to explain to people how doing less for more is a good thing. I'm sure that's a magical experience.

 

[bcrook]

Sure. All of the extra people that were hired were probably pretty happy plus CMs now get to explain to people how doing less for more is a good thing. I'm sure that's a magical experience.

The guards at the kiosks! They could save a little money there. Most annoying aspect of my last trip.

 

[cakebaker]

Where as Legacy FP was equal opportunity for everyone every day ...

No it wasn't.

Legacy FP was equal opportunity for everyone IF.....

 

[DoingDisney]

No it wasn't.

Legacy FP was equal opportunity for everyone IF.....

If what ... you showed up ?

I will happily admit that there are elements to legacy FP, in very specific cases, that didn't offer perfect equal opportunity .... but in comparison, it far more approximated an equal opportunity than FP+.

Thats it, you literally just had to show up when the FPs were released. First come, first serve, every single day.

Now, if you couldn't get there for RD, if its your arrival day, sure other people will have picked through those FPs.

At noon there were fewer available than at RD, at 5pm fewer still. Thats fair, of course, thats STILL true.

The difference now is that on my first day of my trip I was able to book FPs 60 days ago, some else was able to 70 days ago, second day I was able to 61 days ago, someone else, 70 days ago, 3rd day I was able to 62 days ago, someone else was able to 70 days ago, so on and so forth.

That is, by the very concept of "equal opportunity" unequal. To try and argue anything else just starts looking silly.

Now, you can argue its ok, that its fair, that giving onsite guests a perk is ok, that its a GOOD thing for people to be able to book at 60 +10, but it does not create equal opportunity.

All fps available at park opening every single day, far more closely approximates equal opportunity.

 

[DisneyFive]

This always comes up, but the only time we ever saw FP for TSMM go that quickly was when we went in 2013 when both non-tiered FP+ and legacy FP was in place.

Well this particular day that I mentioned was in 2012, and during slow times (late Sept). I imagine most days at HS with EMH mornings were the same or worse. Having said that... I was not trying to argue that legacy FP wasn't a level playing field. I feel that it was VASTLY, VASTLY more of a level playing field than FP+ is now.

Dan

 

[danny1649]

Disers please take a moment before you post on this thread. I have read a few that really come across as argumentative.I will not take action at this time. Most are fine and well within posting guidelines a very few are on the border line. So please I would appreciate if you post. Agree to disagree in non confrontational or argumentative way. I don't want to delete any posts or lock thread.So I say again please before you post, you can disagree on subject without being that fellow posters take it has a personal attack. Thank You TP&S Board moderator Danny

 

[cakebaker]

If what ... you showed up ?

IF you show up at rope drop. Or at least early in the morning- that is dependent of course on what your schedule was because there was really no way to plan what time you'd get a fp for. You were at the mercy of the machine. At fp time I cannot use is no better than no fp at all. So for those of us who didn't want to rope drop a certain park, or want to be a park only in the evening, we were just out of luck.

Need a fp for after 5? Not happening for the headliners at Epcot or HS.

 

[DoingDisney]

IF you show up at rope drop. Or at least early in the morning- that is dependent of course on what your schedule was because there was really no way to plan what time you'd get a fp for. You were at the mercy of the machine. At fp time I cannot use is no better than no fp at all. So for those of us who didn't want to rope drop a certain park, or want to be a park only in the evening, we were just out of luck.

Need a fp for after 5? Not happening for the headliners at Epcot or HS.

This is still true, but people can start booking their FPs and taking the times that are functional for you, 10 days before you can. You do not have the same opportunity to get them that they do. We aren't talking about which system works better for you or in certain circumstances, we are discussing whether it offers equal opportunity to people to get their FPs.

Legacy FP did, that might have meant you didn't get any, truly, but you had the same opportunity as anyone else to get them.

Now, you don't, but you might end up getting them.

 

[bcrook]

FOF and Wishes had the same issues as A&E last fall. Wishes may be different this year with the greater capacity FP+ area.

I was surprised at how the gardens were transformed to accommodate fireworks FP. Lots of little special places to go. If those remain Fastpass only and not cash that is intriguing. I did use a FP for fireworks in October 2013 (I was able to pull Legacy too) and liked being in a designated non crowded space.

Those FP are going fast when preplanning, and I couldn't justify giving up one of my three for it.

But if they handled it like DLR where you could get one early in the day and it wouldn't affect your other rides, I would get up early to grab one.

They are building more little nooks in the MK right now. I assume they will be more secluded spaces.

 

[cakebaker]

This is still true, but people can start booking their FPs and taking the times that are functional for you, 10 days before you can. You do not have the same opportunity to get them that they do. We aren't arguing about which system works better for you or in certain circumstances, we are discussing whether it offers equal opportunity to people to get their FPs.

Legacy FP did, that might have meant you didn't get any, truly, but you had the same opportunity as anyone else to get them.

Now, you don't, but you might end up getting them.

I had the same opportunity as everyone else that chose to do what they had to do to get a FP. And the same thing can be said of FP+. If you want a near guarantee of getting a FP+ for anything, there are choices you can make to insure that- just as there has always been.

We made the choice that touring the way we wanted to was more important than getting a particular fp. People who choose to stay off site or who make the choice to stay shorter amounts of time make the choice that those things are more important to them than getting an A&E or SDMT FP+- because really, those are the only 2 rides that are affected much.