Mission Space Interior Photo

[morphi]

Of course they do, just not in the proximity and configuration shown in the photo. If what we saw in the photo are supposed to be windows, a great deal of realism goes out the window, IMHO. Maybe you know more than I do (as I don't know much, other than what I have read) about what the ride component of this attraction will entail, but I didn't get the impression that the screen (or window?) that we see was going to be used to show us the view one gets from outer space.

You know, I originally assumed those monitors were windows since I assumed that the ride had to have some sort of visual component. But the size, shape, and configuration of them leads me to agree with DisneyKidds that these must be computer monitors used to complete some task. Even in its current state, I don't think Disney would try to pass those things off as windows on a spacecraft.

I was disappointed enough when I thought they were too-small windows. But if they are just computer screens, then this ride doesn't seem to have any visual component at all! How disappointing is that? The ride can still be good, but it appears we may be just flying in the dark.

 

[crusader]

Morphi -

what you have described sounds great in theory - and it may very well be that a visual presentation will somehow be integrated within the dynamics of this ride. But again, how much time are we talking about here?

There is a 160 person maximum capacity planned - according to my calculations. Factor in a less than 4 individual placement with downtime to "clean" the pods - and the wait time just went up. I also read somewhere that there will be an emergency 'stop' button installed.

It would be helpful to know how long it takes to spin the centrifuge in order to achieve the g-forces necessary for blast-off/weightlessness.

Sure I'd like to have it all too, but I cannot emphasize enough how realistic our expectations have to be here. This attraction will be quite an achievement in itself.

 

[Another Voice]

"In fact, I think anyone who makes statements about how disappointed they are based on rumor needs to see a psychiatrist! Get a life!"

You knew something like this was coming...

It's one of the reasons why The Company reagrds most Disney fans as being no different from those women weaping at Graceland or the fat guys trotting about the local Holiday Inn convention center in their Klingon uniforms.

Since that's a rumor, I guess I have to feel excited that The Company reagrds people that way. It's the only emotion that's allowed apparently.

 

[ChrisFL]

This pic is quite telling...

Hmm, small window, lots of buttons and a Joystick!

http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/IMAGES/MEDIUM/0201798.jpg

So M:S is looking quite realistic as far as that standpoint goes.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Keep yammering all you want.

Oh, we will , and I don't know if that is good or bad .

In case you aren't completely familiar with this little corner of the DIS, a fair amount of Disney related debate is allowed on these threads. The mods see fit to allow it, as rumors often lead to debate about what the rumor is likely to mean. It is very much differentiated from the non-Disney debate found on the Debate Board. Perhaps this thread should get the DEBATE: distinction soon.

The one good thing about these boards is that you don't have to hear us "yammer" if you don't want to. You are the only one making yourself read this stuff. If you add to the noise level you are just as guilty of "yammering" as the next guy .

 

[DisneyKidds]

So M:S is looking quite realistic as far as that standpoint goes.

I don't agree. If that picture was what Disney was going after they could have (and I suspect would have) done a better job. Furthermore, in the picture you provide the window is above and to the right of the controls, not directly in front of the controls at eye level if you were strapped into a seat (which is conspicuously absent from the photo you provided).

Also, do you really think that the position shown in the photo you supplied is where you actually find an astronaut during liftoff? I highly doubt it. The picture of the "pod" that we saw represented a seat that one would be strapped into while going thru the stress and physical experience of liftoff. Couple that with what I have read about the "mission" that guests are supposed to complete during the short (3.5 minute) ride component, and I'm still not buying window.

I was disappointed enough when I thought they were too-small windows. But if they are just computer screens, then this ride doesn't seem to have any visual component at all!

Perhaps it doesn't............during the 3.5 minute "ride" component. However, what do we know about the pre and post "ride" elements of this overall attraction? Nothing as of yet I suspect. Disney is capable of providing visual elements, and it doesn't have to be while we are experiencing G forces. I have no idea what they have done or if there will be any visual space elements, but concluding that they won't exist after having seen one picture of one component of the overall attraction seems to be jumping the gun a bit, IMHO.

 

[Mooobooks]

ChrisFL's link to the NASA photo is quite telling: notice the large window directly ABOVE the astronaut's head. Since the rest of the pod appears to be so "spot on," I would look for a window above your head on the ride. Just a guess.

And, the photograph of the interior has definitely been removed from WDW Magic--I'm sure at the urging of Disney's legal department. They've been doing a very good job of keeping the details about this quiet and the appearance of that photo could not have made them very happy.

Finally, Another Voice, I'm not sure I understand your post. The Walt Disney Company can't control the way anyone reacts to anything. They build a ride or make a movie, or whatever. People experience the ride or see the movie, and then form their own opinions. They either like it or they don't, and they're free to express their opinions publically. When you write, "It's the only emotion that's allowed," what do you mean? I don't work for the Walt Disney Company!

 

[morphi]

what you have described sounds great in theory - and it may very well be that a visual presentation will somehow be integrated within the dynamics of this ride. But again, how much time are we talking about here?

A serene (somewhat panoramic) view of earth (or other beautiful heavenly body) would not need to last long to be effective in boosting the emotional impact of this ride. Perhaps as little as 20 seconds would do it. Of course the screen would also be used to present other visuals during the action parts of the ride.

Sure I'd like to have it all too, but I cannot emphasize enough how realistic our expectations have to be here. This attraction will be quite an achievement in itself.

You have a point about being realistic. Perhaps my expectations were set too high or were mis-directed. But when I hear that a ride will simulate a FUTURISTIC space flight complete with G forces, I do not expect the ride to have no views of space.

With apparently no windows, it seems that they are simulating an Apollo launch from the 1960s and not an advanced-spacecraft launch from the year 2035 (or whatever year the ride is supposed to be set in).

 

[Cricket2]

Does that make it twice as bad Scoop?

JC

 

[morphi]

They've been doing a very good job of keeping the details about this quiet and the appearance of that photo could not have made them very happy.

Especially since the photo served to reduce enthusiasm for the ride instead of bolster it.

 

[DisneyKidds]

Especially since the photo served to reduce enthusiasm for the ride instead of bolster it.

Seeing as our vocal little group here on the DIS Rumors board, couple with all the other Disney fans on other sites who were disgruntled by this pic, represent the equivalent of about one molecule of hydrogen in all the water that covers 2/3 of the earths surface (does it look like 2/3 when you view it from Space? I guess well never know because Disney cheated us out of that view ), I doubt Disney pulled the pic because of all the negative press and reduced enthusiasm the world was developing .

 

[Cricket2]

Do we even know why the pic was pulled? It could have just been fake.

JC

 

[morphi]

Hmm, small window, lots of buttons and a Joystick! ... So M:S is looking quite realistic as far as that standpoint goes.

Yeah, realistic for current spacecraft. But M:S is supposed to be set in the future. You also have the argument that realism (especially as constrained by CURRENT technology when you are dealing with a FUTURISTIC ride) should not get in the way of the show.

 

[morphi]

Do we even know why the pic was pulled? It could have just been fake.

Now THAT would be GREAT news.

 

[raidermatt]

...they're free to express their opinions publically.

Ahhhh, perhaps the best point you have made. We are ALL free to express our opinions on this board with regard to the rumors and news posted. This include rumors and news regarding UNOPENED attractions.

However, we are NOT free to question the substance of other posters' outside lives, nor are we free to tell them to shut their yaps. Further, it adds nothing to the conversation.

When you write, "It's the only emotion that's allowed," what do you mean?

He means you flew off the handle about negative opinions regarding the rumors, but did not seem to have the same response to positive opinions regarding the same rumors. After all, if opinions based on incomplete information are not justified, shouldn't that include ALL opinions? Further, if all opinions on the rumor are unjustified, why are you bothering to read them?

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Few people seem to realize that modern spaceflight features small windows and controls.

Show, I don't think its that people don't understand this. I think most do. Its just that the expectation was that this would be futuristic experience, and some of the negative entertainment aspects, like small windows, would be overcome.

I'm not a big Test Track fan, but certainly it takes certain "liberties" compared to the way cars are actually tested so that the entertainment value is increased.

Further, since this is a futuristic flight, it would make pulling those aspects off easier to explain.

However, it does now seem apparent, especially from the canned rider evaluation posted at wdwmagic, that the ride portion of the attraction is probably trying to stay close to what a current day spaceflight is like, though its obviously going to be a lot shorter and tamer.

Lets try and realistically debate the technological components of the imagineering vs engineering aspects of what is being attempted here. It is unprecedented.

Crusader, the problem with this approach is that if forgets that this is first and foremost, entertainment. If the technology cannot fulfill the entertainment requirement, it does not matter how advanced that technology is, it will fail. If the imagineers can't make the technology entertaining, its a complete waste.

Nobody seems to be questioning the uniqueness of this technology and engineering in the theme park world. But when its all said and done, the entertainment value is what counts, and that what we have been disagreeing on, to certain extents.

Perhaps it doesn't............during the 3.5 minute "ride" component.

DK, did you just make up the 3.5 minutes, or did you see that somewhere. Just curious, because I hadn't picked that up. Thanks....

However, what do we know about the pre and post "ride" elements of this overall attraction? Nothing as of yet I suspect. Disney is capable of providing visual elements, and it doesn't have to be while we are experiencing G forces.

Good point. Certainly some with inside info have heard hints about the pre and post shows, so they may have something to go on. But for the rest of us, we don't have much, and honestly, this is where my hope lies for what I was hoping would be included in this attraction.

For all the talk about it not being fair to Disney that this photo is being judged, I think its actually helped them, at least with respect to us Disneyfied wierdos. Had I not seen the photo, I would have carried my expectations into the ride portion of the attraction, and MOST LIKELY been disappointed, at least to a certain extent.

Now, I "think" I have a more realisitic expectation of what the ride portion will be about, and am basically getting over my disappointment now, rather than right after the ride. Certainly that's a better situation for both me and Disney.

However, this does raise my expectations/hopes for the pre/post shows... (you didn't think I'd let 'em off the hook, did ya?)

 

[DisneyKidds]

DK, did you just make up the 3.5 minutes, or did you see that somewhere.

Picked it up somewhere while reading about/discussing M:S, but I can't recall where. I didn't make it up, but I can't vouch for it's accuracy. It could be true. After all, I doubt Disney wants to subject riders to multiple G forces for too long. Furthermore, the ride on many thrill rides/coasters that are considered "great" last less than a two minutes.

 

[crusader]

If the technology cannot fulfill the entertainment requirement, it does not matter how advanced that technology is, it will fail. If the imagineers can't make the technology entertaining, its a complete waste.

Point taken - but why question the entertainment value from a mere photograph? The imagineers should be well equipped to successfully entertain us during the "mission" component of this ride. Afterall, entertainment is where Disney has invested itself quite extensively.

M:S is more than that - it is providing a high tech thrill experience which will challenge our physical capabilities. This is something I am anticipating far more than the theatrical effects.

 

[All Aboard]

M:S is more than that - it is providing a high tech thrill experience which will challenge our physical capabilities.

You see, if this is the crux of the attraction, then Disney has narrowly defined its market for this attraction. The list of folks that will not enjoy this attraction grows as that challenge grows. A high-speed centrifuge that delivers large g-forces and induces the feel of weightlessness does sound very interesting to give a go. But, I know there are many folks over the age of 21 who won't be able to handle that. Some of us fear that WDW is moving away from the family attraction.

 

[crusader]

But, I know there are many folks over the age of 21 who won't be able to handle that. Some of us fear that WDW is moving away from the family attraction.

Is is safe to presume these are the same folks who pass over Tower of Terror, Rock-N-Rollercoaster, and Space Mountain? There should be attractions for every market, but it is not conceivable that every attraction would be designed for the entire market. What would the line for that look like!!!!!!!!!

 

[mitros]

Yea, except disney seems to be replacing a number of non-thrill attractions with thrill attractions.