Minimum points

[AstroBlasters]

Right, but currently being discussed and in progress is only one-VDH. And I live on the East Coast so this one isn’t on my radar.

But if I’m counting on just riding this out for the life of the contract until it expires, or I expire, whichever comes first, then this is a moot point.


But don’t I have that same option if I purchase resale? I start with resale and add on to get up to the 150 threshold- this option obviously takes less time.

I guess all of my processing is wrapping my head around why I would go this route when the resale benefits are nearly identical at the 100 point threshold. Now, I do think the conversation shifts when resale pricing stabilizes or increases closer to this direct pricing. Then choosing this “lesser than” direct option makes more sense. Right now though, not so much.

Why would owning a resale contract until expiration make the 2042 resorts a moot point?

 

[eticketplease]

For someone who just has a family that wants to go to WDW and doesn’t mind the 14 resort limit it’s hard to believe anyone would buy direct instead of resale.

Yes it is hard to believe but you have done research. Unfortunately this is to entice the people that know nothing and are traveling on their one and done Disney trip that DVC is affordable and that you too will be able to come back year after year.

 

[eticketplease]

But don’t I have that same option if I purchase resale? I start with resale and add on to get up to the 150 threshold- this option obviously takes less time.

I’m confused on how this would take less time to get to the 150 direct minimum. If anything I would think it would take longer shelling out cash for a resale contract and then adding on directly to get to the current amount of points for membership extras as that would require more money. If you bought the first 100 directly then assuming things stay the same you would only need to add 50 more direct points to qualify for the membership extras.

 

[Sandisw]

Right, but currently being discussed and in progress is only one-VDH. And I live on the East Coast so this one isn’t on my radar.

But if I’m counting on just riding this out for the life of the contract until it expires, or I expire, whichever comes first, then this is a moot point.


But don’t I have that same option if I purchase resale? I start with resale and add on to get up to the 150 threshold- this option obviously takes less time.

I guess all of my processing is wrapping my head around why I would go this route when the resale benefits are nearly identical at the 100 point threshold. Now, I do think the conversation shifts when resale pricing stabilizes or increases closer to this direct pricing. Then choosing this “lesser than” direct option makes more sense. Right now though, not so much.

It may also include Poly tower in addition to VDH. No decision on that has been made either.

Right now, there are 14 resorts for trading if you go resale. In 2042, thst will be down to 9. So, if you don’t care about RIV and whatever comes next and those 9 left work, then the current benefit thst direct points will be good moving forward is not a pro for you.

If you start resale, those points don’t count towed the 150 at all . If you start with 100 direct, they do so now you only need 50 more to get your membership extras.

Only you can decide if staying at RIV and what ever new comes up in the future is worth it. It very well be no big deal and whether it’s 150 or 100, direct isn’t for you.

But there will be for others it wil and being able to get in for 100 points xs 150 is a pretty big deal and savings.

As I said, someone who even just wanted access to RIV but couldn’t swing 150 only has the option to buy it resale and then be locked into just RIV.

Now they can get in with just 100 points, have access to all resorts. And if membership extras is something they want, they have the ability to add on later to get there…but at least have a head start.

 

[hglenn]

In 2042, thst will be down to 9.

And only 7 of those will be at WDW.

 

[Sandisw]

And only 7 of those will be at WDW.

Another good point. Of course, this all assumes that DVD doesn’t change course and throw restrictions out the window..but one thing is for sure, if one wants to be sure that decision doesn’t matter, then direct points is the way to go.

 

[naman1221]

Another good point. Of course, this all assumes that DVD doesn’t change course and throw restrictions out the window..but one thing is for sure, if one wants to be sure that decision doesn’t matter, then direct points is the way to go.

I've seen this tossed around a little bit and I just don't see a truly realistic scenario where they toss restrictions out the window. You would anger a portion of your recent direct buyers and shoot yourself in the foot. And i don't see what incentive they would have to do it. I know they left it as an option in the POS but I have tried to find a scenario where they would do this and I just don't see it.

 

[Cfabar1]

Michael Eisner recently gave an interview where he mentioned that every guest needs to feel special when they’re at Disney.

I think DVC excluding some direct members who are buying 100 points direct from membership extras is a mistake. It comes across as nickel-and-diming a customer who is still giving you a $21,000+ purchase. The benefits of direct incentives are minimal.

I wonder if they kept it this way for now because of IT issues. Maybe they would have to manually check to see who had accrued 100 direct points from Disney throughout the time that the minimum was raised from 100-150 points And don’t want to do that.

Still, to me, it feels cheap for some of your most high-value and loyal customers. I’m sure DVC members are likely to be highly lucrative Disney customers - likely buying Disney+, taking a DCL cruise, member of D23, etc. The minimal benefits of Membership Extras to me I would include for everyone.

Plus they’re now going to need three charts because some benefits will apply I hope to everyone who bought direct- i.e. using points for Cruises, Hotels, Adventures whether they bought 150 points or not. If not, that would be especially sad.

 

[Sandisw]

I've seen this tossed around a little bit and I just don't see a truly realistic scenario where they toss restrictions out the window. You would anger a portion of your recent direct buyers and shoot yourself in the foot. And i don't see what incentive they would have to do it. I know they left it as an option in the POS but I have tried to find a scenario where they would do this and I just don't see it.

I am in the camp they are here to stay but put that in to at least be fair to potential new buyers that with DVD anything is possible.

But, while restrictions was the latest move to differentiate resale in 2019, the whole policy because in 2012…so it’s been something they have committed to for 11 years.

And, the direct sales numbers for the last 6 to 8 months have supported that price has more to do with decisions than restrictions do.

The move to only 100 points has me thinking that it’s a clue we will see restrictions continue with VDH and Poly tower.

 

[Sandisw]

Michael Eisner recently gave an interview where he mentioned that every guest needs to feel special when they’re at Disney.

I think DVC excluding some direct members who are buying 100 points direct from membership extras is a mistake. It comes across as nickel-and-diming a customer who is still giving you a $21,000+ purchase. The benefits of direct incentives are minimal.

I wonder if they kept it this way for now because of IT issues. Maybe they would have to manually check to see who had accrued 100 direct points from Disney throughout the time that the minimum was raised from 100-150 points And don’t want to do that.

Still, to me, it feels cheap for some of your most high-value and loyal customers. I’m sure DVC members are likely to be highly lucrative Disney customers - likely buying Disney+, taking a DCL cruise, member of D23, etc. The minimal benefits of Membership Extras to me I would include for everyone.

Plus they’re now going to need three charts because some benefits will apply I hope to everyone who bought direct- i.e. using points for Cruises, Hotels, Adventures whether they bought 150 points or not. If not, that would be especially sad.

I just don’t understand this line of thinking. No one should buy just for the perks and all this does is allow someone to to get their food in the door with some direct points for less

No one has to buy 100..if they want 150 they can get it..nothing has changed there. It’s simply another option and if perks really don’t matter to you, but staying everywhere down the line does, isn’t it nice to have the option at a lower level vs. having to buy resale first to be eligible for smaller direct contracts?

 

[take36]

I just don’t understand this line of thinking. No one should buy just for the perks and all this does is allow someone to to get their food in the door with some direct points for less

No one has to buy 100..if they want 150 they can get it..nothing has changed there. It’s simply another option and if perks really don’t matter to you, but staying everywhere down the line does, isn’t it nice to have the option at a lower level vs. having to buy resale first to be eligible for smaller direct contracts?

Logically your way makes sense. But the majority of VDH owners will buy enough for 3-4 nights making them non-full members. How are guides going to sell that to the buyers? They will need to depend on current owners, most are WDW people. DVC does not sell base on numbers, especially at DL where there are places to stay that are walking distance closer then on site hotels, even those that can afford the high prices and perks of on site prefer simply being closer.

Either lower the full membership to 100 at least for VDH new buyers or inflate charts to 150 for 4-5 nights. I am confident the DVC team has worked through this issue and has a good plan to make everyone happy. Upcoming recession is giving me flashbacks of GCV. I remember I bought in when it opened and it felt like a big mistake until relatively recently when the resale prices spiked. Even now, I would've been better off investing the cash and paying cash but the "magic" and emotional aspect is worth it for me, and I know its worth it for many DL fans, lets hope Disney keeps it going!

 

[softballpooh]

’m confused on how this would take less time to get to the 150 direct minimum. I

I was referring to this new direct option to purchase 100 points taking less time. Just as you described.

 

[Sandisw]

Logically your way makes sense. But the majority of VDH owners will buy enough for 3-4 nights making them non-full members. How are guides going to sell that to the buyers? They will need to depend on current owners, most are WDW people. DVC does not sell base on numbers, especially at DL where there are places to stay that are walking distance closer then on site hotels, even those that can afford the high prices and perks of on site prefer simply being closer.

Either lower the full membership to 100 at least for VDH new buyers or inflate charts to 150 for 4-5 nights. I am confident the DVC team has worked through this issue and has a good plan to make everyone happy. Upcoming recession is giving me flashbacks of GCV. I remember I bought in when it opened and it felt like a big mistake until relatively recently when the resale prices spiked. Even now, I would've been better off investing the cash and paying cash but the "magic" and emotional aspect is worth it for me, and I know its worth it for many DL fans, lets hope Disney keeps it going!

The chsrts have not been relaxed and who knows if it will reflect the need for closer to 150...we have no idea what that will look like

But, as I shared, this isn’t for VDH specifically..it is to spark direct sales at the current active resorts.

And, plenty of DVC owners who go to WDW go for 4 to 5 nights and didn’t need 150 either, but it was the only choice until yesterday.


If someone is a resale buyer and wants to have the extras, they have to get to 150 direct even though DVD will sell them contracts as low as 25 points.

So, in essence, this situation already existed for current owners and is just now being added as an option for new ones.

With that, I’ve probably shared all my thoughts!! Lol

 

[take36]

The chsrts have not been relaxed and who knows if it will reflect the need for closer to 150...we have no idea what that will look like

But, as I shared, this isn’t for VDH specifically..it is to spark direct sales at the current active resorts.

And, plenty of DVC owners who go to WDW go for 4 to 5 nights and didn’t need 150 either, but it was the only choice until yesterday.


If someone is a resale buyer and wants to have the extras, they have to get to 150 direct even though DVD will sell them contracts as low as 25 points.

So, in essence, this situation already existed for current owners and is just now being added as an option for new ones.

With that, I’ve probably shared all my thoughts!! Lol

I appreciate your thoughts and perspectives! I am in sales and am just trying to see what the pitch can be like. I also want my friends and family to buy in so I want them to have a great experience. I also remember the struggles of GVC where it seemed like I (and Disney) made a big mistake.

 

[softballpooh]

Why would owning a resale contract until expiration make the 2042 resorts a moot point?

Because in my mind I'm walking into this purchase with no expectations that after 2042 I will have a usable product. Especially if I buy resale, I'm counting down until 2042 since after that time as this type of owner I wouldn't have access to any "future" resorts. All I can do when deciding today is base it on what is currently available.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about giving Disney my money for convenience and ease and to get all of the membership extras. I'm a Platinum ClubrunDisney member so I know how paying a premium for their tiered products changes the value. For some people, joining that Club isn't valuable and there are a LOT of opinions about people buying their way into the earlier starting corrals for races since that is a perk of the highest level of membership.

For me, it comes down to my initial point of comparing this 100pt direct cost vs current 100pt resale costs. I'm asking myself how much more I am willing to pay for access and whether that is worth it. Or a better way to put it- is the amount I am saving by buying resale worth being a restricted member? I can spend $21k and have 100 points or I can spend $21K and possibly have 250 points. Both have restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

I appreciate your thoughts and perspectives! I am in sales and am just trying to see what the pitch can be like. I also want my friends and family to buy in so I want them to have a great experience. I also remember the struggles of GVC where it seemed like I (and Disney) made a big mistake.

Here is the pitch. Ownership interests start at 100 points and those points can be used everywhere.

If you want to buy 150, you will now be eligible for the membership extras program that gets you these current perks, subject to change of course.

 

[take36]

Here is the pitch. Ownership interests start at 100 points and those points can be used everywhere.

If you want to buy 150, you will now be eligible for the membership extras program that gets you these current perks, subject to change of course.

I think they can and will need to do better than that.

 

[Sandisw]

I think they can and will need to do better than that.

Which is why we have different perspectives!! We shall see what happens!

But, honest question, do you rrally believe someone wants VDH and doesn’t like that they need 150 points for perks, will actually walk away and buy nothing and be locked out of the the tower?

 

[take36]

Which is why we have different perspectives!! We shall see what happens!

But, honest question, do you rrally believe someone wants VDH and doesn’t like that they need 150 points for perks, will actually walk away and buy nothing and be locked out of the the tower?

Yes. I have been planting the seeds for my friends and family since VDH announced and longer for dvc! They have seen me use my “perks,” took my cousins to moonlight magic etc. Some of them have various timeshares as well. I have discussed perks and how dvc you are just guaranteed a room. They have gone to DVC presentations on cruises and at Saratoga, they agree dvc offers more!

We are a Disney family! But I have gently brought up this issue (also why I jumped on this board to see everyone’s opinion and the latest news). But they are unanimously in agreement that resale is not for them because it’s just another timeshare (which it is but dvc is promoted as a bit more magic), they want the feeling of being in the “club.” With the closer harbor hotels, the new Westin, they don’t really see it as a cost savings, they want to be “in the club.” One of my cousins has a house in Golden Oaks and a member of another Disney club, and she just said no thanks to a GCV resale points because “it’s not the same.”

People are irrational and I am sure the same can be argued that we are irrational for even buying dvc. But to reach Disney fans, especially DL fans and locals Disney need to bring something magical to the table.

150 points for WDW is good because we stay there longer and there are options for larger 1 and 2 brs. DL doesn’t have a lot of larger accommodations to splurge and the utility when DL fans come for a day or two just doesn’t work without something sprinkled on top.

 

[ark101]

The pitch is buy DVC and stay at deluxe accommodations at a bargain. Also 'buy more, get more'. I bought direct and it was because I wanted to be able to stay at future resorts and incentives were good for VGF when I bought last year.