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Universal opened a new ride Despicable Me and did an overhaul of Spiderman (much like the Star Wars overhaul) since WWoHP opened. They haven't stopped.

I'm not saying that WDW isn't doing anything....I think the whole point of this thread is that they should be doing a lot more.
  • WWoHP opened June 18, 2010.
  • The new reworked Spiderman opened March 8, 2012.
  • Despicable Me opened July 2, 2012.

They stopped. They took a little bit of a break. But it's Universal, and the expectation is different.

My point is that Disney is doing a lot -- they've been reworking and opening smaller stuff throughout the entire time that they've been working on NFL. It's just not stuff that you, personally, care about. So it doesn't count.

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The expansion at WWoHP at IOA isn't rumoured, you can see the construction beside the Dragon Challenge. There is also the new Diagon Alley at the Studios construction going on.

The Jurassic Park expansion is rumored. Nothing has broken ground.

You also missed the new Spongebob store and character meet and greet area.

Isn't Avatar-land just rumoured?
I think it's considered "rumored" until Universal announces it officially. Universal -- for whatever reason -- has not yet announced Springfield or exactly what HP expansion will be or some other things. They don't appear on any part of Universal's website. And since the majority of the people who visit the parks probably don't spend a huge amount of time on rumor sites or chat boards, to the general public, there's nothing that's been announced.

Avatar-land is not rumored. Both Bob Iger and Tom Staggs spoke about it at the New Fantasyland press event. There are transcripts and articles that include those comments all over the place.

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This thread started out comparing Universal to WDW. Maybe if you don't like the subject matter, you should just skip the thread. :confused3
To be fair, sammons70 said, "Looking back at the original title of this thread ...". And the original title of the thread DOES imply a comparison of the two rides.

I could see how someone would come here thinking that the thread would detail both rides and then be a little miffed that it was the same old "Disney vs. Universal".

:earsboy:
 
  • WWoHP opened June 18, 2010.
  • The new reworked Spiderman opened March 8, 2012.
  • Despicable Me opened July 2, 2012.

They stopped. They took a little bit of a break. But it's Universal, and the expectation is different.

My point is that Disney is doing a lot -- they've been reworking and opening smaller stuff throughout the entire time that they've been working on NFL. It's just not stuff that you, personally, care about. So it doesn't count.

:earsboy:

Um, I'm sorry, but this is completely untrue. They haven't stopped at all.
 

As previous posters have mentioned on this thread and others. It is going to be great for the guests. So much new stuff happening, all of it looks great whether its Disney or Universal. I can't wait to see it all.
Universal and Disney are different companies and for that I am grateful. The day Universal starts trying to be like Disney, is the day they end up in trouble. No one does Disney like Disney.
If someone doesn't like Universal then that's fair enough and I have no problem with it. I love both and ALWAYS have to visit all their respective theme parks when visiting. I go to the parks for different reasons. When I go to Universal, I look forward to the great thrill rides and wonderful theming and detail they have.
In Disney, I look forward to enjoyable rides, wonderful detail and the whole magical experience.
I do think Universal are on the money with the expansions. Everyone knows the Simpsons and could name 5 characters off the top of their head. I haven't got a clue as to what the characters in Avatar are called.
 
Um, I'm sorry, but this is completely untrue. They haven't stopped at all.
Clearly they never came to a dead stop, because it takes time to build stuff like Despicable Me and rework stuff like Spiderman. But if you've read the entire conversation, the initial comment was that, OK ... New Fantasyland is open. What is Disney giving me THIS year? And I countered with the fact that when WWoHP opened, Universal took a break and didn't open anything immediately after that. They didn't have to. That initial blush of the rose that WWoHP gave them took them through until 2012, when they started opening other stuff.

The point being that Disney will ride the crest of NFL for a year or so, just as Universal did WWoHP. Universal had stuff going on behind the scenes at that time, just as Disney does now. However ... when WWoHP opened, people didn't immediately start saying, "OK ... great. Now what do I get this year?" With Disney, they are.

:earsboy:
 
To be fair, sammons70 said, "Looking back at the original title of this thread ...". And the original title of the thread DOES imply a comparison of the two rides.

I could see how someone would come here thinking that the thread would detail both rides and then be a little miffed that it was the same old "Disney vs. Universal".

:earsboy:

I don't think we have "the same old Disney vs. Universal" anymore. So many more people are actually going to Universal these days, have an informed opinion and are giving a thumbs up to Universal.

The old threads were just Universal bashing threads and a lot of comments from people who had never been but had heard that they wouldn't like it.

I'm really encouraged by the multitude of posters who have gone and have been impressed. To have Disneyphiles compliment another park is quite an accomplishment.
 
As previous posters have mentioned on this thread and others. It is going to be great for the guests. So much new stuff happening, all of it looks great whether its Disney or Universal. I can't wait to see it all.
Universal and Disney are different companies and for that I am grateful. The day Universal starts trying to be like Disney, is the day they end up in trouble. No one does Disney like Disney.
If someone doesn't like Universal then that's fair enough and I have no problem with it. I love both and ALWAYS have to visit all their respective theme parks when visiting. I go to the parks for different reasons. When I go to Universal, I look forward to the great thrill rides and wonderful theming and detail they have.
In Disney, I look forward to enjoyable rides, wonderful detail and the whole magical experience.
I do think Universal are on the money with the expansions. Everyone knows the Simpsons and could name 5 characters off the top of their head. I haven't got a clue as to what the characters in Avatar are called.
I agree that Universal is on the money for their audience. I can name the Simpsons, but I have no desire to visit Springfield. I probably haven't watched a full episode in two years. And I can't give you diddly-squat on Transformers. I only know Optimus Prime exists because I recently saw a commercial. But I couldn't tell you what / who / why he is.

So for people like me, the expansions aren't really on track. Then again ... I'm not their core audience. Just as I suspect folks like damo and Rip aren't the Fantasyland core audience.

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I don't think we have "the same old Disney vs. Universal" anymore. So many more people are actually going to Universal these days, have an informed opinion and are giving a thumbs up to Universal.

The old threads were just Universal bashing threads and a lot of comments from people who had never been but had heard that they wouldn't like it.

I'm really encouraged by the multitude of posters who have gone and have been impressed. To have Disneyphiles compliment another park is quite an accomplishment.
Exactly. But the mere fact that Universal is improving and doing so much right does not automatically mean that Disney is failing. It's possible to like both. It's allowed. It's possible for both of them to be doing good work and planning amazing things at the same time.

Just because you (general "you", not you specifically) may not appreciate all that went into New Fantasyland doesn't mean that Disney isn't keeping up or isn't spending the money on new attractions.

:earsboy:
 
Clearly they never came to a dead stop, because it takes time to build stuff like Despicable Me and rework stuff like Spiderman. But if you've read the entire conversation, the initial comment was that, OK ... New Fantasyland is open. What is Disney giving me THIS year? And I countered with the fact that when WWoHP opened, Universal took a break and didn't open anything immediately after that. They didn't have to. That initial blush of the rose that WWoHP gave them took them through until 2012, when they started opening other stuff.

The point being that Disney will ride the crest of NFL for a year or so, just as Universal did WWoHP. Universal had stuff going on behind the scenes at that time, just as Disney does now. However ... when WWoHP opened, people didn't immediately start saying, "OK ... great. Now what do I get this year?" With Disney, they are.

:earsboy:

I don't disagree with that, but that's a bit different than what you initially claimed. I was just pointing out that, honestly, the part I bolded from you earlier is probably the best example of what someone means when they say "Disney apologist". Not only are you defending Disney (which is fine), but you then throw in something slightly negative and, in this case, not exactly accurate directed at Disney's biggest competitor.

At any rate, that's really not the point. I think the reasons people are wanting more from Disney are (1) first and foremost, even many die-hard Disney fans are very underwhelmed with the FLE thus far and (2) Disney is capable of so much more. From most objective opinions I've read, there really is no comparison between FLE and WWoHP.
 
I don't disagree with that, but that's a bit different than what you initially claimed. I was just pointing out that, honestly, the part I bolded from you earlier is probably the best example of what someone means when they say "Disney apologist". Not only are you defending Disney (which is fine), but you then throw in something slightly negative and, in this case, not exactly accurate directed at Disney's biggest competitor.

At any rate, that's really not the point. I think the reasons people are wanting more from Disney are (1) first and foremost, even many die-hard Disney fans are very underwhelmed with the FLE thus far and (2) Disney is capable of so much more. From most objective opinions I've read, there really is no comparison between FLE and WWoHP.

And (3) WDW has 4 parks....so we shouldn't even be able to compare the activity between the two!!!
 
With the crowds I've seen at WDW in my last few trips, I'd love it if US could draw some away! :rotfl:
 
With the crowds I've seen at WDW in my last few trips, I'd love it if US could draw some away! :rotfl:

Nope..Keep em at Disney..LOL.....Universal is smaller in size ( 2 parks vs 4)and can not handle the crowds as well..I love universal.I love Disney..The one thing I really love about Universal is I love not having to plan out every ounce of my trip at Universal.I go where I want to go, eat when I want to eat and still have time to enjoy the resort thoroughly and actually relax on my vacation..I know that will change eventually , especially when WWoHP expansion opens up.But for now it is a nice break from the 6 months out planning and go go go pace of Disney .I will be back at Disney soon too..I love both places
 
I don't disagree with that, but that's a bit different than what you initially claimed. I was just pointing out that, honestly, the part I bolded from you earlier is probably the best example of what someone means when they say "Disney apologist". Not only are you defending Disney (which is fine), but you then throw in something slightly negative and, in this case, not exactly accurate directed at Disney's biggest competitor.
In the context of the conversation, though, it was a valid point. Someone said that Universal kept going after WWoHP, as if HP opened and then -- boom! -- six months later, there comes something else. I was saying that no, they didn't. They stopped and rode the crest of WWoHP. It was two years later before they opened a big attraction. It wasn't a negative, by the way. It was simply saying that "the thing you're criticizing Disney for is something Universal does too". Kind of a "take a second look, because they both operate pretty much the same".

At any rate, that's really not the point. I think the reasons people are wanting more from Disney are (1) first and foremost, even many die-hard Disney fans are very underwhelmed with the FLE thus far and (2) Disney is capable of so much more. From most objective opinions I've read, there really is no comparison between FLE and WWoHP.
It depends on what you're comparing. And THAT, I think, is really the point.

WWoHP has Forbidden Journey, possibly one of the best theme park rides I've ever been on (although I still like Spiderman best). The queue, the ride, the theming is amazing. The rest of the land is magnificently done. Every single bit of it is spot-on perfect to what you see on the screen. It is the Harry Potter movies come to life with a big ol' thrill ride in the middle and a lot of other stuff (butterbeer!) sprinkled on top. Wands pick you, frogs sing, owls deliver the post. It was designed for and appeals to Harry Potter fans of all ages.

FLE is not that. It has no thrill rides, no high-tech simulators. Even when 7DMT opens, that ride will not compare to Forbidden Journey. The rides that are part of FLE -- whether new, reworked or imported from California -- are made for little kids and families. They tell stories. There are no-queue queue lines to keep kids busy while they wait. There's a water play area because little kids like those. The land is designed for and appeals to people of all ages who love to be immersed in the classic Disney stories, and it is heavily skewed towards families with little kids.

The detail work in BOG restaurant, throughout Storybook Circus, and in all of Belle's and Ariel's lands is just as magnificently done as the detail work throughout Hogwarts and Hogsmeade. And I defy anyone to say otherwise. Both lands are stunning.

Maybe FLE doesn't appeal to you because you don't have a princess crazed daughter or you're not a fan of Circuses or it's too much "little kid stuff" and you prefer a little edge to your theme park rides. But even if there's nothing there you like, it doesn't mean that the land is underwhelming to everyone. It doesn't mean that Disney shouldn't get credit for building it just because there's no thrill ride. Disney told us from the beginning what was going to be there, and they delivered on pretty much exactly what they said. People continue to say that FLE is underwhelming or disappointing because there's nothing there like Forbidden Journey. But there wasn't ever supposed to be.

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I'm enjoying the friendly discussions on this thread which is refreshing to see after all the Disney/Universal comparison threads that have been closed due to ugliness. :rolleyes2

Anyway...I'm looking forward to the 7DMT when it opens. I miss riding coasters and because of a neck injury, I can't enjoy the really big coasters any longer but 7DMT looks it will be fine and I'm hoping the new attraction at HP2 in the Studios will be more family friendly.
 
I'm enjoying the friendly discussions on this thread which is refreshing to see after all the Disney/Universal comparison threads that have been closed due to ugliness. :rolleyes2

Anyway...I'm looking forward to the 7DMT when it opens. I miss riding coasters and because of a neck injury, I can't enjoy the really big coasters any longer but 7DMT looks it will be fine and I'm hoping the new attraction at HP2 in the Studios will be more family friendly.

I fully agree,:goodvibes, friendly discussion is a must and really generates a lot of good ideas!. I think the two parks could do more if they put there heads together. I love Disney,I really do and a lot more then universal, but my one gripe Is Disney does more of there themeing torads the little girls and the Moms. I really would love to see Disney put fourth as much energy to the entire Family!. Its not that they allieneate the Family, but they seem to put fourth more effort to the female crowd. That Includes the Adults to, they took away the clubs In DTD and really took away a option for the young adults. I my self don't drink or Dance( OMG you don't want to see me dance:rotfl2:) but it again was a option for the Adults.
UO can really do more again for the whole Family, there almost just the opposite more focus torads adults and the guys fun. I do not think its intentional, but that's how it appears. There emply could do with couple of training days from Disney to
 
I fully agree,:goodvibes, friendly discussion is a must and really generates a lot of good ideas!. I think the two parks could do more if they put there heads together. I love Disney,I really do and a lot more then universal, but my one gripe Is Disney does more of there themeing torads the little girls and the Moms. I really would love to see Disney put fourth as much energy to the entire Family!. Its not that they allieneate the Family, but they seem to put fourth more effort to the female crowd. That Includes the Adults to, they took away the clubs In DTD and really took away a option for the young adults. I my self don't drink or Dance( OMG you don't want to see me dance:rotfl2:) but it again was a option for the Adults.
UO can really do more again for the whole Family, there almost just the opposite more focus torads adults and the guys fun. I do not think its intentional, but that's how it appears. There emply could do with couple of training days from Disney to
I think that's part of the reason why they built Splitsville. To give the young adult crowd something else to do at DTD.

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To be fair, sammons70 said, "Looking back at the original title of this thread ...". And the original title of the thread DOES imply a comparison of the two rides.

I could see how someone would come here thinking that the thread would detail both rides and then be a little miffed that it was the same old "Disney vs. Universal".

:earsboy:
True. I did read the last sentence as being anti-Universal and I'm tired of the Disney vs Universal stuff too. At least if one must be anti-Universal be polite like another poster on this thread. ;)

I've been going to Universal for a rather short time and I've seen so much change that it's mind-boggling. Disney moves more slowly but if the end result is great that's really all that matters. I've heard mixed things about FLE but I still hope to check it out.

As for crowds, I don't watch the Simpsons but still enjoy the ride and I don't watch the Transformers movies but I'm looking forward to the ride. I also don't watch Mickey's Playhouse or really anything on the Disney channels but I can still enjoy what Disney creates so I don't see that as necessarily relevant.

I'll just say that I'm personally a fan of both. :cool2:
 
I like UO just for what it Is, the quirks the park has, if they dad not change oh well its not that biggie. I like its different then Disney, and really, we could talk until the cows jump over the moon what changes we like or not like. Its fun to talk about what Ideas could and could not happen, i do not think any one here is against one park or the other.
 


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