Miers Supported Ban on Most Abortions

[jenm2878]

Such as?

I knew of someone in high school (I am one of her closest friends so this is not heresay) who grew up with very nearly nothing. Her parents were incredibly poor, and she had to struggle to have things others take for granted. (food on a regular basis, a change of clothing, etc) This girl was in the top of her class and was going to go to college - she was getting out. She also had an emotionally abusive boyfriend who she broke up with right after graduation. Then she finds out she was pregnant, and it comes out that the boyfriend had raped her while she had been drunk. (won't get into why an 18yr old was drunk) This guy didn't have a stable family life, had no plans for his future, and again, was emotionally abusive. (and obviously physically too) Her parents couldn't financially raise the baby, and there was no way this guy would have let her put it up for adoption. She opted for abortion. So to answer your question, what was at stake? EVERYTHING. I know this sounds like a bad LIFETIME movie, but it's absolutely true.

For those who feel there is never a reason for abortion, do you care what happens to the child after it's born or do you only care that it is born?

 

[eclectics]

A Constitutional admendment banning abortion would restrict the laws of Judiaism. Under Jewish law a mother is more important than the fetus and under certain circumstances it is the right/correct thing to do, ie. abortion.

So whether you use religious conviction or not to ban abortion you would be involving the government in religion which violates separation of synagogue and state.

That's very interesting. I did not know that about Jewish law. It makes sense of course, in general. My sister took a bad turn during childbirth and the doctors actually gave my brother in law an ultimatum. They could save her or the baby. Of course you are going to pick the mother, without a second thought. Luckily they both pulled through okay in the end, but it sure was a very scary hour or so.

 

[WatchinCaptKangaroo]

No one should have the right to choose who lives and who doesn't.

By this one can come to the logical conclusion you are also against the death penalty? After all no one would include judges and juries right?

 

[JennyMominRI]

So what you are saying is that some babies deserve to live and some don't.

I guess it depends on your defination of Baby or of *life*.I respect that your beliefs say that the unborn are full fledged human lives...Jewish law says otherwise..They are potential lives and they are not to be taken lightly ,but in some cases,as was pointed out, abortions are mandated.. The Talmud even gets into specifics of how the procedure shouldl be done...The Mothers life takes potential over the potential life until such time as the majority of the fetus is delivered... At that point both become of equal value...A baby is not ensouled in Judaism until it takes his first breath

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Again people, this has NOTHING to do with personal beliefs, religious beliefs, or anything like that. All that matters is constitutionality.

A good justice should be someone who thinks ALL abortions are murder and has no problem coming to a decision that lets abortion become more popular than ever, or someone who just loves abortion and makes it completely illegal in all cases. All bases on constitutionality.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Again people, this has NOTHING to do with personal beliefs, religious beliefs, or anything like that. All that matters is constitutionality.

A good justice should be someone who thinks ALL abortions are murder and has no problem coming to a decision that lets abortion become more popular than ever, or someone who just loves abortion and makes it completely illegal in all cases. All bases on constitutionality.

ACtually,I agree with you joe,but the thread has morphed.

 

[simpilotswife]

It amazes me that most of the people on this thread who oppose abortion are men.

Seems to me that until you have the capability to spend 9 months of your life hosting a fetus, you shouldn't be able to make that decision for anyone else.

As for the question about legalizing prostitution.....hell yes. Legalize it and tax it just like Nevada does.

 

[Charade]

I have never heard of any unborn being having legal rights. I do know that women have legal rights.

Apparently Conner Peterson had them. Otherwise, Scott Peterson wouldn't have been charged with two murders.

 

[Charade]

There is a right to life, but not to life support.

Wow! So lets end ALL social programs like WIC and such. No one should have the right to force ME to provide life support for someone else's poor choices or unfortunate circumstances.

 

[cardaway]

Wow! So lets end ALL social programs like WIC and such. No one should have the right to force ME to provide life support for someone else's poor choices or unfortunate circumstances.

Obviously those are to care for children who have already been born, which leads us to the question that enver gets answered...

Are the anti-choice folks ready to step up to the plate and pay for the costs involved with costs of the babies that are forced to be caried to term? Don't like the amount of welfare now, just wait.

And who wants these teans to be mothers anyway? Don't think the majority would be adopted. The amjority would be born and raised on our dime.

 

[hokiefan33]

It amazes me that most of the people on this thread who oppose abortion are men.

And unless I'm mistaken (and I may be, so if so please correct me), at least 2 of the women on here who are proponents of abortion rights don't even have children. Does that amaze you? I wonder if their opinions would be different if they had kids...

 

[hokiefan33]

Obviously those are to care for children who have already been born, which leads us to the question that enver gets answered...

Are the anti-choice folks ready to step up to the plate and pay for the costs involved with costs of the babies that are forced to be caried to term? Don't like the amount of welfare now, just wait.

And who wants these teans to be mothers anyway? Don't think the majority would be adopted. The amjority would be born and raised on our dime.

Let's be real clear here - I'm not anti-choice, I'm anti-choice-to-have-an-abortion. There's a big difference. People should have choices in life, but should not have the ability to choose to kill another life. You can't say that abortion opponents are "anti-choice" any more than you can say abortion proponents are "pro-murder."

We as a country ALREADY pay for costs for numerous children who are unwanted or not cared for properly. I, for one, have no problem ponying up as a nation to support more babies, if it means that we can defeat abortion for good. No problem at all, even if it means higher taxes. Just b/c a woman may potentially have made a bad choice to get pregnant, doesn't mean she should be allowed to make another bad choice to have an abortion. To me, all that does is allow them to escape from the consequences of the first bad choice.

 

[JMD]

Obviously those are to care for children who have already been born, which leads us to the question that enver gets answered...

Are the anti-choice folks ready to step up to the plate and pay for the costs involved with costs of the babies that are forced to be caried to term? Don't like the amount of welfare now, just wait.

And who wants these teans to be mothers anyway? Don't think the majority would be adopted. The amjority would be born and raised on our dime.

How about the parents get jobs and support the baby on their own? I know that responsibility and accountability for your actions may be a strange concept to some, since we live in a society of victims and government dependency. But don't assume all babies who would have been aborted need government assistance. Not all abortions are performed on teens and poor people.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

A good justice should be someone who thinks ALL abortions are murder and has no problem coming to a decision that lets abortion become more popular than ever, or someone who just loves abortion and makes it completely illegal in all cases. All bases on constitutionality.

I disagree. A good justice (assuming we are talking about SCOTUS) should be someone who makes decisions on the merits of the case presented and on the basis of over 200 years of precedents. A good justice is not someone who comes to the bench with a predetermined agenda that they intend to push via judicial decree. That's why this whole "litmus test" nonsense is so troubling because either way you push someone, whether liberal or conservative, you are pushing them to become a judicial activist, not a judge.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

It amazes me that most of the people on this thread who oppose abortion are men.

Seems to me that until you have the capability to spend 9 months of your life hosting a fetus, you shouldn't be able to make that decision for anyone else.

What amazes me is that some would discount another's opinion based solely on their ability to become and remain pregnant. Given that stance, do you also discount the opinion of all women who for any reason are unable to become pregnant? Or is this discrimination based on gender only?

 

[cardaway]

But don't assume all babies who would have been aborted need government assistance. Not all abortions are performed on teens and poor people.

Never said all, but it's very possible that the number is large, if not the majority.

They also would not be the people I would like to see become mothers. People have no problem puting down these women, calling them irresponsible or worse, but then they want to force them to become mothers. In any other situaiton that kind of logic would be crazy at best.

 

[bjgrazi]

And unless I'm mistaken (and I may be, so if so please correct me), at least 2 of the women on here who are proponents of abortion rights don't even have children. Does that amaze you? I wonder if their opinions would be different if they had kids...

I have 2 older children and one on the way. I'm 42 divorced and pregnant. I believe in abortion rights. It was my choice to keep this baby. But I will say I had thoughts the other way

 

[JMD]

Never said all, but it's very possible that the number is large, if not the majority.

Any numbers to back this up?

They also would not be the people I would like to see become mothers.

So only women who meet your standards should be allowed to reproduce?

People have no problem puting down these women, calling them irresponsible or worse, but then they want to force them to become mothers. In any other situaiton that kind of logic would be crazy at best.

No one is forcing anyone to become mothers. If someone doesn't want to become a mother, they can obstain from sex or use birth control. Seems very logical to me.

 

[bjgrazi]

No one is forcing anyone to become mothers. If someone doesn't want to become a mother, they can obstain from sex or use birth control. Seems very logical to me.

What happens when the birth control fails?

 

[hokiefan33]

What happens when the birth control fails?

You live with the blessings (or, I guess some view it as consequences) of that failure. You don't change the outcome.