Miers Supported Ban on Most Abortions

[goofygirl]

So what you are saying is that some babies deserve to live and some don't.

Huh?? how in the world did you come to THAT conclusion?

 

[cardaway]

Subscribing to this way of thinking would mean that you actually expect individuals to take responsibility for their own actions instead of pawning the blame off on someone else. Many members of society refuse to acknowledge that school of thought.

And another part of society refuses to take responsibility for the children once they are born.

Pretty cowardly to fight for their rights until they are born, and then run and hide afterwards.

 

[dirtysouthinit]

And another part of society refuses to take responsibity for the children once they are born.

Pretty cowardly to fight for their rights until they are born, and then run and hide afterwards.

What part of society are you referring too. I don't see anybody saying abortion is wrong and then saying, " but once their born I don't care anymore"?

 

[cardaway]

What part of society are you referring too. I don't see anybody saying abortion is wrong and then saying, " but once their born I don't care anymore"?

Not directly, no.

 

[goofygirl]

This statement is entirely incorrect. The government tells you what you can and cannot do with your body every single day.

Do you also support the legalization of prostitution? Because the government tells women that they can't sell their body's for sex. Why not? Its their body.

The government tells you can't take certain drugs. You can't smoke or drink under certain ages. Why not, its your body, right?

So you think its okay then for the gov't to tell you what to do with your body at times?

well...okay. Let's have the gov't pass a "one kid only per family" law like in China. And if you can't have kids, let's limit the amount of times you can have fertility treatments. I believe Italy has such a law.

Oh what's that?? You don't like the gov't telling you what to do? You don't like your reproductive rights being infringed upon?

Now you know how we "pro-choicers" feel.

 

[dirtysouthinit]

What happens when the birth control fails?

Shouldn't have sex if your not willing to take the .001% chance it might fail! Yes I hope the birth control works but I know up front that it might not, so thats a risk I have to assess and see if I'm willing to take it.

 

[hokiefan33]

Pretty cowardly to fight for their rights until they are born, and then run and hide afterwards.

It is, that is correct. But this statement only proves a point if ALL people who are anti-abortion ALSO don't take care of their kids when they're born, which clearly isn't the case. So what is it called when we fight for their rights until they are born, and then continue to take care of them afterwards? Mean? Narrow-minded? Intolerant? Judgmental? B/c that's what a lot of people who are anti-abortion get called. But how can that be?

 

[Belle for President]

No one is forcing anyone to become mothers. If someone doesn't want to become a mother, they can obstain from sex or use birth control. Seems very logical to me.

Actually, it seems pretty one sided to me. What's your advice to fathers?

 

[cardaway]

Actually, it seems pretty one sided to me. What's your advice to fathers?

Please, let's not go there. Another topic entirely.

 

[Belle for President]

Please, let's not go there. Another topic entirely.

If people are going to be that gender-specific with their language, they should be called on it, IMO.

 

[cardaway]

If people are going to be that gender-specific with their language, they should be called on it, IMO.

Usually I agree, but considering where the male side could go, that's a huge tangent. Males are basically screwed on all fronts when it comes to abortion/no abortion, and that is another huge topic.

 

[JMD]

If people are going to be that gender-specific with their language, they should be called on it, IMO.

What am I being called on? Last time I checked men could not get pregnant or have abortions.

 

[JMD]

So you think its okay then for the gov't to tell you what to do with your body at times?

well...okay. Let's have the gov't pass a "one kid only per family" law like in China. And if you can't have kids, let's limit the amount of times you can have fertility treatments. I believe Italy has such a law.

Oh what's that?? You don't like the gov't telling you what to do? You don't like your reproductive rights being infringed upon?

Now you know how we "pro-choicers" feel.

First, reread my post. I do not agree with that, I was responding to someone who said abortion should be illegal because no one can tell you what you can or can't do with your body. Which is completely false.

 

[Belle for President]

What am I being called on? Last time I checked men could not get pregnant or have abortions.

So following through on this language, men shouldn't be held responsible. You made the concept of "personal responsibility" specific to women with your comments.

 

[goofygirl]

I guess it depends on your defination of Baby or of *life*.I respect that your beliefs say that the unborn are full fledged human lives...Jewish law says otherwise..They are potential lives and they are not to be taken lightly ,but in some cases,as was pointed out, abortions are mandated.. The Talmud even gets into specifics of how the procedure shouldl be done...The Mothers life takes potential over the potential life until such time as the majority of the fetus is delivered... At that point both become of equal value...A baby is not ensouled in Judaism until it takes his first breath

Makes me proud to be Jewish

(Not that I deny the Catholic side of me, I just don't agree with that religion's anti-choice views)

 

[JMD]

So following through on this language, men shouldn't be held responsible. You made the concept of "personal responsibility" specific to women with your comments.

Please read the whole thread before you make assumptions. No where did ever say or imply that men shouldn't be held responsible. My comments where in response to a direct quote from Cardaway. Its easy to twist someones words when taken completely out of context.

 

[cardaway]

How about just making the morning after pill legal, cheap, and available in the same manner as birth control pills?

Somebody taking one regularly after the fact sure sounds like responsibility to me.

Or will it be obvious once again that it's not really about responsibility, it's about the beliefs of one group vs. another.

 

[Belle for President]

Please read the whole thread before you make assumptions. No where did ever say or imply that men shouldn't be held responsible. My comments where in response to a direct quote from Cardaway. Its easy to twist someones words when taken completely out of context.

Please refrain from giving me directives. Your specificity of "mother" as opposed to "parent" did imply the the responsibility was on women. You may not have intended this interpretation, but that's my reading. And I bet I'm not the only one who read it that way either.

 

[Charade]

They also would not be the people I would like to see become mothers. People have no problem putting down these women, calling them irresponsible or worse, but then they want to force them to become mothers. In any other situation that kind of logic would be crazy at best.

So you'd be ok with a "good parent" test before we allow people to have children? We sorta have one AFTER the fact but it's too late then, the horse is already out and someone just closed the barn door.

"putting them down" by "calling them irresponsible"?? They ARE irresponsible IF they have an unplanned pregnancy. How else would you describe it? When someone does something irresponsible (but not necessarily illegal), shouldn't they be held accountable in some way?

 

[simpilotswife]

And unless I'm mistaken (and I may be, so if so please correct me), at least 2 of the women on here who are proponents of abortion rights don't even have children. Does that amaze you? I wonder if their opinions would be different if they had kids...

Why wouldn't they want to have the choice if faced with the possibility of having a child?

I would say that they have a far greater interest in having a choice than any man should especially because he is dictating what happens to someone else's body.

As for having children changing people's minds...you better take a good look around. Many women who support a woman's right to choose have children of their own. I know I certainly do.

It is not up to me to tell someone else that they must follow through with a pregnancy that they wish to terminate. It should not be up to anyone else either. It most especially should not up to any man, especially if that man is not the biological father.