Michelle Duggar miscarries

[Ember]

I was formula fed, as well. I turned out alright other than this unhealthy need to travel to a warm climate to see a place dedicated to an overgrown rodent.

My mom couldn't breast feed either. Do you think all formula fed children suffer from this particular problem? Maybe we're on to something here!

 

[MrsKreamer]

Dr. John B. Coppes of the Austin Medical Center-Mayo Health System in Austin, Minn. "However, I hope they are aware of the risks for Down syndrome, uterine rupture, future C-sections, pre-eclampsia."

Dr. Katharine Wenstrom, director of Maternal Fetal Medicine at Vanderbilt Children's Hospital in Nashville, Tenn., rattled off a list of complications, including life-threatening bleeding during birth, risk of heart attack or stroke -- all exacerbated by multiple pregnancies.

"She has an increased risk of uterine atony, or failure, of the uterus to contract after delivery, which can cause life-threatening blood loss and may require hysterectomy," said Wenstrom, who added that women who have multiple pregnancies are at risk for a condition called placenta previa. In such cases, she said, "the placenta implants over the cervix -- also associated with life threatening bleeding."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Television/19th-baby-duggar-woman-face-risks/story?id=9340188

And yet none of these people were her doctor, nor have they examined her...

I am sad for her loss.

 

[Mermaid02]

I feel badly for them, but I do find it ironic that they have asked for privacy. They have chosen to make EVERYTHING about their life public but NOW they want privacy? I doubt it's gonna happen.

 

[Mermaid02]

And yet none of these people were her doctor, nor have they examined her...

I am sad for her loss.

I think when you have used your uterus like a revolving door for 23 years some things are just obvious.

 

[PaulaSB12]

She will carry on getting pregnant, before menapause naturally. After by using donated eggs. Its a drug for her, no baby no front page coverage. The only thing that will stop her having more babies is if she doesn't survive a pregnancy.

 

[Swan4Me]

But not an eternity if you practice natural family planning. Babies should be breastfed for at least 12 months, and if she's stopping early so she can get pregnant again, that's not exactly letting God decide.

The average American woman breastfeeds 2-3 months, because they have to return to work


Making that kind of statement doesnt win points for the pro-breastfeeding agenda, BTW
I was a "gung-ho" member of the La Leche league and only did 9 months and 6 months. Babies turned away-their choice.
I did find my kids were less sick that others I knew-but all the sicker kids attended daycare, and I was lucky to work from home.

 

[Keli]

In fact, I think the world use more Duggars based on the way they conduct themselves.

I agree with this statement, the Duggars appear to be producing exactly the kind of children I admire, responsible, giving, compassionate, and loving. Their family life seems happy and loving.

So many children in this world would be a lot better off if they weren't being raised in their own dysfunctional families that when I see a group of kids turning out as good citizens I cannot help but admire those folks whatever their religious beliefs on reproduction.

I'd MUCH rather live next door to them and all their kids than the folks across the street with their thieving tendencies that I have worry about locking everything up with right now.

 

[DrPierreMcDuck]

From what I've seen, they do seem to be good children. One thing I wonder about is how the family will deal with children that don't fit the mold. With 19 kids, it is a pretty safe bet that at least one is gay. And even straight children don't always follow gender stereotypes. I don't watch the show, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that they are a very ordered, fundamentalist family where women are expected to have a certain kind of future and the men a different kind of future.

 

[MUFFYCAT]

I feel badly for them, but I do find it ironic that they have asked for privacy. They have chosen to make EVERYTHING about their life public but NOW they want privacy? I doubt it's gonna happen.

I feel bad for them but enough already.

 

[tlbwriter]

I didn't know that! I think that make her even more insane in my mind. She had her cervix sewed shut so it wouldn't spontaneously open and dump the baby out, that baby was born prematurely at just 25 weeks nonetheless and she went ahead and got pregnant again. She is simply bat guano crazy .

But was Josie born early because her cerclage failed? I thought Michelle had pre-eclampsia and they made the decision to end the pregnancy early. Am I just remembering wrong?

 

[Nancyg56]

I have mixed feelings. On one hand, my heart goes out to them. Regardless of the circumstances or any other issues, losing a child is a heartbreaking thing.

On the other hand (and this will likely get me flamed), the woman is deliberately putting herself at risk. If she dies due to complications as a result of her many pregnancy there will be 19 children left without a mother. Michelle's compulsive need to procreate is, at this point, incredibly selfish. She and her husband know the medical risks, yet they keep wanting more kids. They are perfectly willing to depend on medical science and doctor's when it matches their agenda. Without medical science Josie would have died, but that wasn't against God's plan. However, they ignore that same medical science when it says something they don't want to hear, because that is against God's plan.

No flames from me. I don't have a stake in any decision these folks make but I am simply appalled that they choose to defy their medical advice in order to continue to procreate. It is reckless and selfish to ignore the fact that another pregnancy could take the mother fromt eh children that are already here.

I would never wish this kind of tragedy on any family but I am not going to pretend that I have no opinion about the choices that they make when they invite the World into their home or they choose a TV show in order to announce their pregnancies.

I can't believe the misplaced sympathy for these people! The two adults are incredibly selfish -- she has 19 children that depend on her. She's been told not to have more children by doctors. She blatantly disregards that advice. She should put her CHILDREN FIRST, which would mean no more pregnancies.

Again, MTE.

I didn't realize we are now blaming women for losing babies. That seems awfully cruel. Also, it doesn't really matter if you agree with her decisions at all. I find it funny that my friends who are pro-choice (not saying if you are or not) are the ones most opposed to Michelle Duggar's RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

And for the record, 2 kids is plenty for me! I'm just sayin'.

I don't believe that we are blaming women for miscarrying. I do think that it is hard to discount the role this woman may have played in her ratcheting up the odds for a miscarriage. There is a responsibility that people must accept if complications occur due to the choices that have been made. We hold smokers accountable raising their risk for lung cancer. We hold overweight people accountable for increases risk of diabetes. I believe that this woman knew that she was in a high risk pool and yet made a conscientious decision to become pregnant once again. She did not cause her miscarriage but she chose to move forward in sprite of the high risk. That decision is not a responsible one IMO when considering the minor children in her care.

Exactly. I would not even know about this had they not chosen to share their private lives with millions of people.

I feel badly for them, but I do find it ironic that they have asked for privacy. They have chosen to make EVERYTHING about their life public but NOW they want privacy? I doubt it's gonna happen.

Nor should it. I have never understood how people can use TV as a way to generate an income, sharing their lives with millions of strangers but then decide that they need to keep their personal life apart from those same people. If these people did not use a national TV show to announce their pregnancy, inviting hoards of viewers to participate by way of TV in their lives, well then maybe some of us would not even have known about the miscarriage, never mind have an opinion about the choice.

 

[princessmom29]

Obviously, you of the mindset that Michelle should not be criticized. No evidence anyone presents would make you think otherwise.

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I'm of the mindset that she should not be criticized using medical inaccuracies. There is no evidence this miscarriage or Josie's premature birth are due to the amount of children she has had. The fact is that most miscarriages in older women are the result of poor egg quality.

If you want to criticize her for having more children than you deem acceptable, go right ahead, just don't use fallacy arguments to do it. Personally, as long as the children aren't being abused or a dependent primarily on the state, I won't judge. In fact, I think the world use more Duggars based on the way they conduct themselves.

Yes, actually there is. Her doctor TOLD her when she had her last c-section that her uterus was thinning and that could cause problems with future deliveries. There is MUCH medical evidence to support the fact that every c-section increases the amount of uterine scarring and reduces the elasticity of the uterus resulting in stress on mom and baby, poor fetal growth due to low blood suppy, ect. Advanced maternal age as well allowing less than 18 months between pregnancies has been tied to increased rater of preclampsia. There is PLENTY of medical evidence to support the idea that having has 18 children spaced like stair steps increases your risk.

They stopped using birth control because they were told by a doctor that it caused them to miscarry.

That is nto waht they claim. They say it was a sign from God.

From what I've seen, they do seem to be good children. One thing I wonder about is how the family will deal with children that don't fit the mold. With 19 kids, it is a pretty safe bet that at least one is gay. And even straight children don't always follow gender stereotypes. I don't watch the show, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that they are a very ordered, fundamentalist family where women are expected to have a certain kind of future and the men a different kind of future.

You are exactly right. These kids are good kids not becuase they have been taught love, respect, and responsibility, but becuase they are told that that they have no other choice than to conform. Women are wives and mothers, never anything else and are ALWAYS subject to the rule of thier husbands who have total decision making power. They talk a good game about sending one of the older girls to nursing school, but they also say women should never work outside the home??

 

[luvmy3]

People say it is a sign for Michelle to stop trying because she herself (and Jim Bob) has said the earlier miscarriage was a sign from God to stop using BC. Following her line of thinking this miscarriage would obviously be a sign of something too, as would Josie's birth.

If they don't want people to judge them for the way they live stop filming a reality show and stop announcing every move your family makes on a national TV show. JMO.

Exactly.

As sorry as I am for their loss, it wasn't a shock to see the headline. I won't be shocked when she announces another pregnancy on the Today show in less than a year either.

 

[robinb]

But was Josie born early because her cerclage failed? I thought Michelle had pre-eclampsia and they made the decision to end the pregnancy early. Am I just remembering wrong?

I'm not sure if the cerclage failed or not. In any case, she was being treated for a condition that causes pre-term labor at best and often miscarriages. I think you're right, the pre-eclampsia was the condition that actually caused Josie to be born early.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Miscarriage is an awful thing but at the same time she has 19 kids and even more so if she died during labor/pregnancy it would be harder on the family.

Maybe she will realize it is time to stop being a baby factory and spend some time standing up and spending time with her children.

 

[princessmom29]

I'm not sure if the cerclage failed or not. In any case, she was being treated for a condition that causes pre-term labor at best and often miscarriages. I think you're right, the pre-eclampsia was the condition that actually caused Josie to be born early.

that, along with her gallstones. She refused surgery because she was trying to get pregnant. The inflamation from them MAY have contributed to the severity of the preclampsia. Once you have had preclampsia once you are at much grater risk for it in future pregnancies. She had mild cases in several of the other pregnancies.

 

[princessmom29]

Miscarriage is an awful thing but at the same time she has 19 kids and even more so if she died during labor/pregnancy it would be harder on the family.

Maybe she will realize it is time to stop being a baby factory and spend some time standing up and spending time with her children.

I think spending and adequate amount of time with your children is impossible when there are 19 of them. That is why they get farmed out to a sibling and soon as the next baby comes along. She cannot really see to the day to day needs of that many.

 

[Free4Life11]

Why doesn't he just get a vasectomy? My parents are very conservative Christians and after having five kids my dad got snipped. Problem solved...it's been 20 years since and no "surprises."

 

[tyniknate]

I, too, noticed in the few shows I've seen that Michelle doesn't seem to do much of the mothering with these children. As soon as one is no longer an infant it looks like it is assigned to one of the other children as their responsibility.

I really find no difference in her having 19 children and wanting more and the show that looks into the lives of hoarders. She is just hoarding children instead of stuff.

 

[SueM in MN]

Yes, actually there is. Her doctor TOLD her when she had her last c-section that her uterus was thinning and that could cause problems with future deliveries. There is MUCH medical evidence to support the fact that every c-section increases the amount of uterine scarring and reduces the elasticity of the uterus resulting in stress on mom and baby, poor fetal growth due to low blood suppy, ect. Advanced maternal age as well allowing less than 18 months between pregnancies has been tied to increased rater of preclampsia. There is PLENTY of medical evidence to support the idea that having has 18 children spaced like stair steps increases your risk.

That is nto waht they claim. They say it was a sign from God.

You are exactly right. These kids are good kids not becuase they have been taughl ove, respect, and responsibility, but becuase they are told that that they have no other choice than to conform. Women are wives and mothers, never anything else and are ALWAYS subject to the rule of thier husbands who have total decision making power. They talk a good game about sending one of the older girls to nursing school, but they also say women should never work outside the home??

I know they showed something on one of their shows about their quest to find a new doctor. I think it was after the birth of number 15 (Jackson?) when she needed a C section because of his position.
When she went to the same doctor for #16, he refused to care for her because of the high number of pregnancies she already had and the fact that she had already had more than one C section. She not only wanted another baby, but wanted a VBAC delivery.
They did find a doctor who would care for her.
During the pregnancy that just ended, in interviews she had said she was under the care of high risk pregnancy expert - which I would take as an admission that they knew #20 was high risk.

I'm not sure if the cerclage failed or not. In any case, she was being treated for a condition that causes pre-term labor at best and often miscarriages. I think you're right, the pre-eclampsia was the condition that actually caused Josie to be born early.

The cerclage didn't fail from what I read. Cerclages are done as a precaution when there is reason to believe the cervix won't remain closed until the end of pregnancy. That is called incompetent cervix and the more pregnancies/'regular' (could not type the actual word) deliveries a woman has had, the more chance of the cervix starting to open early.
Because of mom's condition between the gall bladder and preeclampsia, they HAD to deliver the baby early. There is no way a medical team would choose to deliver a baby that early if it was not necessary to save the mom's life. At that stage, they are trying to get as many days and weeks for the baby as they can.