Michael Jackson...role model?

[sbell111]

Which allegations? That he cheated on his wife, I believe them. That he survived cancer, I believe them. That he ever took performance enhancing drugs, he has never been charged by any recognized cycling agency of failing a drug test. This is despite being the most tested athlete on the face of the Earth for most of his tour wins. The day Lance fails a drug test I will cease to be a fan point blank. The day Lance is accused of molesting a child and then pays the parents off I will cease to be a fan. Luckily, the UCI has very strict drug policies so there is little question of guilt or innocence.

I find it interesting that you ignore allegations against LA because they haven't been proven to be true, but you condemn MJ over allegations that he was declared to be not guilty of.

I understand where you are coming from, however. Lance Armstrong seems pretty normal while Michael Jackson seemed to be kind of a freak. Therefore, you overlook Armstrong's faults and concentrate on the good that he does while at the same time you concentrate on the allegations against Jackson even though he was found not guilty and ignore the good that he did. What you are doing is human nature and totally normal. We all are programmed to believe that 'normal' is good and 'abnormal' is bad and we color our perceptions about everything in life based on that.

To the thread's actual topic:

It is completely normal and healthy to have role models. Steve McNair was a good quarterback, so it's normal and healthy for kids to want to play football like he did. However, you wouldn't want you kid emulating his personal life, would you? Of course not. When we pick role models, we are not emulating 'whole humans' we are emulating specific characteristics that we admire in individuals.

 

[sbell111]

... People…grow up. Michael Jackson was an entertainer. He should be remembered for that. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I'm not a huge fan of his music. Sure, I like some of it in a guilty pleasures kind of way, but I would never buy it. (That being said, he owned such a huge catalog of music that some of my purchases have benefitted him.)

What I admire about him is the huge amount of humanitarian work that he did. It is truly amazing how much theworld has benefitted from him. I cannot hope to compare to the good works that he did.

I also admire how much his children love him.

 

[agame2323]

Well I wouldn't want to disappoint.
I'm not sure what your problem is other than the fact that you didn't like being shown that what you had to say about the rest of us, you know that some of us have deeper mental issues than MJ, or we have nothing better to do than discuss MJ a person we didn't know, could all be said about you. Yes, that is the point I got from your post, no matter what else you were trying to say it wasn't as loud as the unintended irony on your part. So while you are defending the fact that none of us knew MJ so we have no right to judge him, remember you don't know any of us yet you feel justified judging us. Irony at its best

Obviously you feel offended by my Original comment. What I mentioned must have struck a personality nerve in you. Perhaps you fit the description?

Nonetheless, you are the only one that took what I said completely out of context and evidence of that is no one supported your “does anyone else see the irony” reply. In fact, no one even responded to it, which leads me to believe I simply received a response from the lowest denominator out of the group.

Your voice was heard and I appreciate the feedback. Going forward, I think its best we discontinue our “little” debate, as I’m looking for a higher degree in content reply and response. Feel free to have the last word.

 

[luvsJack]

How long are all of you going to continue to argue about this? This is silly.

Some are going to remember him as a talented individual that tried to make the world a better place and some are deteremined that he was a child molestor (don't know what happened to innocent until PROVEN gulity in this country but whatever) and a drug addict.

Is he a role model? Not entirely. Some things about him are attributes to look up to. Like his hard work and his giving nature. Other things such as his obsession with what he looked like and his addiction to pain meds, not so much.

I don't think any entertainer is particularly a good role model and no one is the "perfect" role model. There are people that are role models because of the career path they chose (fireman, policeman, solider), some are role models because of the things they do in life (help those less fortunate), some because of the type of parent they are. No one would necessarily be so perfect that they can be a role model in every life area.

 

[DisneyBlonde]

Lance Armstrong is a douche

 

[joviroxx]

Obviously you feel offended by my Original comment. What I mentioned must have struck a personality nerve in you. Perhaps you fit the description?

Nonetheless, you are the only one that took what I said completely out of context and evidence of that is no one unless supported your “does anyone else see the irony” reply. In fact, no one even responded to it, which leads me to believe I simply received a response from the lowest denominator out of the group.

Your voice was heard and I appreciate the feedback. Going forward, I think its best we discontinue our “little” debate, as I’m looking for a higher degree in content reply and response. Feel free to have the last word.

I'll apologize ahead of time if my response doesn't meet your intellectual approval or qualifies on your intelligence scale, but it seems to me, that your post admonishing "judging others" sure provides a good dose of judging others on your part.

You may feel you are intellectually superior and feel your intelligent responses in a self proclaimed "pointless thread" incredibly thought provoking, but this simple mind just finds them to be an arrogant response from someone with delusions of superiority.. But feel free to judge while admonishing others not to. It's a wonderful country where we can all speak our minds

 

[agame2323]

Lance Armstrong is a douche

FireDancer in 3...2...1...

 

[ols386]

I was trying to draw light to how pointless it was. But I guess you missed...that point.

Guess so.

 

[agame2323]

I'll apologize ahead of time if my response doesn't meet your intellectual approval or qualifies on your intelligence scale, but it seems to me, that your post admonishing "judging others" sure provides a good dose of judging others on your part.

You may feel you are intellectually superior and feel your intelligent responses in a self proclaimed "pointless thread" incredibly thought provoking, but this simple mind just finds them to be an arrogant response from someone with delusions of superiority.. But feel free to judge while admonishing others not to. It's a wonderful country where we can all speak our minds

joviroxx, thanks for the reply and Rescuing an otherwise failing attempt from luvmy3. I like your point of view. I said sorry in the beginning of my statement because I knew people such as your self would feel “some type of way” about my position. But just as you stated, we are all entitled.

Anything you care to say about my actual statement? Or did you just need to vent? Venting is okay.

 

[luvmy3]

Obviously you feel offended by my Original comment. What I mentioned must have struck a personality nerve in you. Perhaps you fit the description?

Nonetheless, you are the only one that took what I said completely out of context and evidence of that is no one unless supported your “does anyone else see the irony” reply. In fact, no one even responded to it, which leads me to believe I simply received a response from the lowest denominator out of the group.

Your voice was heard and I appreciate the feedback. Going forward, I think its best we discontinue our “little” debate, as I’m looking for a higher degree in content reply and response. Feel free to have the last word.

Just let me clarify something, I am not in the least offended by your post. Do I care what you think of my opinion of an accused child molester and how I wouldn't want him to be a role model to my children, of course not. I just found it pretty hilarious that you come here with a holier than thou attitude, condeming us yet doing the same thing you condem us for. I just happen to call you out on it and judging by your continued responses to and about me I have hit a nerve with you. So your little personal attacks about me do nothing but again show the rest of the posters your true colors. You can try to sit on your high horse and pretend that you are in fact an intellectual or have something intelligent to say but your posts prove otherwise and the fact that you don't even realize it proves that point even more.
That felt good, and you know what its worth any points I may get

 

[ols386]

I thank you for taking my point the way it was meant and not as a personal attack. The court system and its failings is a whole other topic but your POV is as valid as mine on that subject. I merely bring up my opinion and don't think it is more or less valid than others.

My disgust at the press's coverage of his funeral for example is not a value judgment on whether anyone should watch it, it is a value judgment on how any dead celebrity is the biggest story on the planet when we have wars and missile tests going on. The funeral should be covered by Access Hollywood and TMZ, not CNN.
There are some things we will just have to agree to disagree about I guess.

I agree. And it's all about the ratings for the media. Ratings = $
Very sad.

 

[ols386]

joviroxx, thanks for the reply and Rescuing an otherwise failing attempt from luvmy3. I like your point of view. I said sorry in the beginning of my statement because I knew people such as your self would feel “some type of way” about my position. But just as you stated, we are all entitled.

Anything you care to say about my actual statement? Or did you just need to vent? Venting is okay.

Yes, you did say you were sorry, and we forgive you.

 

[joviroxx]

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Anything you care to say about my actual statement? Or did you just need to vent? Venting is okay.

Nope, not much about your actual statement. Ive stated my opinion on this whole MJ deal.. Wasn't venting either..just commenting..

 

[happygirl]

Can you prove Lance is innocent?
Can you prove MJ was guilty?
The answer to both of those is NO!
You choose to believe in Lance's innocence and MJ's guilt. The truth is they both had allegations that haven't been proven. The only difference is MJ was a better family man and supported more charities. Not just the ones that affected him personally. Lance is the better athlete.

Can you prove that Michael was abused by Joe? Everyone wants to claim that Michael is messed up because his dad abused him. Is there any proof to those claims.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Role model? No his behaviour was totally wrong his children where playthings, Bubbles should never have been a pet (did you know putting chimps in clothes damages their skin?) his drug taking and spending excesses where disgusting. All his behaviour including alleged child abuse is excused because of his childhood, well he was 50 when he died he had plenty of time to sort out his mental problems and blaming them on events that happened decades earlier is a cop out.

You can certainly voice your opinion on his behavior, care of his animals, spending habits (though - tons of that money went to charity). Saying his children were playthings, however, is just wrong. From accounts of all of those close to him, including one of the children he parented, he was a wonderful father who taught them a lot. They seem to be very intelligent, well-rounded children with grace and poise.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Yes, actually you can. A drug test comes back either positive or negative, it is scientific. A jury trial however is not. A jury weights the evidence and makes a best guess for lack of a better term. Heck, after the OJ and Robert Blake debacles I though we all new juries get high profile case wrong all the time. Any drug test will either come back as positive or negative. Look at the autopsy of this great MJ. That will prove if he was taking drugs because drug tests are pretty definite. If there is any ambiguity in cycling the B sample is used. Sine every test he has ever taken has had no trace of drugs it is proof that he has never failed a drug test.

As far as MJ being a better family man, talk about revisionist history. Family men are not child molesters. Both have been divorced so that equals out. Michael was not even raising his own children where I am confident Lance's at least has his DNA in his. He has also never been accused of being a bad father, just a divorcee which puts him in the majority. I don't agree with the infidelity but I won't put that on par with Michael's molesting.

How dare you discount all the wonderful parents who've adopted their children?

 

[Liberty Belle]

I'm sorry if certain people feel offended...becuase I'm about to offend.

This was / is a pointless post. It adds no value, or substance in regards to productive content. All the question from the OP has managed to do is showcase how ignorant and stupid some of you can be by responding and entertaining this nonsense. Based off some of the comments I read, I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up and be like some of YOU! Who I guess have it all together and live perfect lives.

Why are you so concerned with another person’s life? How are you in ANY position to speak on how messed up someone is when you probably have problems of your own? I’m willing to bet most of you have a relative that may not have it all upstairs but because their life is not as interesting as MJ’s no one cares.

People…grow up. Michael Jackson was an entertainer. He should be remembered for that. Nothing more. Nothing less. What he did in his personal life is now between him and God. Its posts like these and comments like some of you provided that help fuel and turn someone’s death into a 3 Ring, Barnum & Bailey circus show.

The man died. How and why really should not concern you. But for some reason it does. It just goes to show how shallow your life is when you become so obsessed with someone else’s. Some of you call Michael Jackson weird. If that’s weird or strange, than what do you call a bunch of people sitting in front of a computer talking bad about someone they never met a day in life? Some of you are somewhere with NOTHING better to do but chat on a DISNEY RELATED WEBSITE about a man who you never came to know. Some of YOU people have problems (personal problems) far greater than Mj even had.

This person just asked “would you want your KIDS to grow up to be like MICHAEL JACKSON?” What type of crap is that? I don’t want my kid to grow up and be like ANYONE. Not Jackson, not Obama, not Bush, not Bill Gates. No one. Their role models should be mom and dad. Not someone they only see on TV. But I think some of you are not qualified to be a role model to your own children. (don’t believe me. See previous comments)

Some of you are exemplifying the type of parents you are by calling this man, who YOU never knew, names. Is that what you teach your kids? Judge people you don’t know? You teach ignorance and that’s why YOUR kids maybe worst off than Michael when it’s all said and done. Some of you, right now, have ignorant, careless children that bully other kids. Don’t obey rules. Lack respect. Use foul language. Talk back to YOU. Fight. And are overall just headed in the wrong direction. But ohhh noooo….you wouldn’t want them to be Michael Jackson. Please.

Bravo. And from what I can tell, his children seem to be very gracious, poised, intelligent, healthy, educated, and well-rounded.

 

[C.Ann]

Considering the major issues that resulted in MJ becoming the person that he did - his childhood - I don't think there is a person here on the DIS that would abuse their own child the way Joe did and put the responsibility of supporting a very large family on the shoulders of a 7 yr. old (yes- that's when the big "push" began with Joe), so I have to say I think it's a ridiculous question..

 

[JPN4265]

Would you want your child to grow up to be like Michael Jackson, I mean the whole MJ, with the talent, money, generosity, extensive plastic surgery,and the young boy sleepovers?

Yes or no.

Your kidding right?

 

[declansdad]

Was the bolded part really necessary??

Is it not part of who he was? Why should that be overlooked?