Mexico is "Enraged" with the proposed U.S wall.

[sodaseller]

umm--private country, no???


The resources are being mooched--and mooched big time!

It appears you are functioning on an inaccurate presumption

 

[DawnCt1]

Actually it wasn't the Founding fathers - it was the 14th Amendment, ratfied after the Civil War because your intellectual forebears were seeking all forms of ways to deny equal protection of the laws based on differentiations of status. Thaddeus Stevens and his ilk sought to ensure that all "persons" had euql protection.

That doesn't change the nature of the situation, which is, illegal aliens, sneaking across the boarder, in order to have anchor children here.

 

[DawnCt1]

I could say the same to you in Connecticut. I do live in Texas, 150 miles from the border. Some cross to engage in illegal activity, especially drugs. But more often, it is Americans that cross over the border to bring back drugs. Don't blame the drug trade on Mexico, it is we Americans that purchase them, and in many cases we Americans that make the bulk of the $$$ from the illicit trade.

Then you agree with me. Everyone benefits if we close the boarder to illegal aliens and monitor boarder crossing with greater vigilance.

 

[DawnCt1]

Resources are not finite

Then perhaps you can point out to me where there are an infinate number of hospital beds, school rooms, teachers, jail cells, etc.

 

[Chuck S]

Are you claiming they aren't mooching off the system but are in fact contributing their fair share to help the people who we know are mooching off the system?

All I asked for was a detail of what the poster thought they were mooching, as welfare, medicaid and food stamps are all tied to being here legally. "Illegal immigrants" have to have $$ to survive, just like everyone else. Since they can't get welfare, food stamps or medicaid...their money or support has to come from a more private source, either a "sponsor" or relative, or they have to work for it.

If they are working to support themselves, they are not mooching, are they? Especially if they are in jobs hat are undesirable to Americans.

 

[sodaseller]

Then perhaps you can point out to me where there are an infinate number of hospital beds, school rooms, teachers, jail cells, etc.

A little primer.

 

[Chuck S]

Then you agree with me. Everyone benefits if we close the boarder to illegal aliens and monitor boarder crossing with greater vigilance.

Not necessarily. Building that fence will also cut off the supply of field workers. Just as it is not fair to say that all illegal immigrants are criminals, it is not fair to say that closing the border to those field workers would be a benefit. BTW, most drugs are not "floated" across the river or walked across the dry crossings, they come over by car and truck. Sometimes hidden in legal shipments, sometimes not caught by patrol "sniffer" dogs, and sometimes allowed to pass by our own border agents "on the take". There are a few bad apples in every police force, the border patrol is no different.

 

[DawnCt1]

Not necessarily. Building that fence will also cut off the supply of field workers. Just as it is not fair to say that all illegal immigrants are criminals, it is not fair to say that closing the border to those field workers would be a benefit.

The "field workers" can enter the country to work just as the migrant Jamaican workers enter Ct. to work, in fact, easier. They can take a bus, cross the boarder legally and go home when the season is over. That's how farm visa work in every other state that requires additional farm labor.

 

[DawnCt1]

A little primer.

Those "theoretical beds" don't hold patients.

 

[sodaseller]

Out of context from another exchange with fellow Latino regarding Muslims in the West and Benedict XVI's view of Turkey, but apropos

Fear of the taint of the tribe, mongrelization and/or miscegenation, has infected human perception for recorded history. Notwithstanding the best defenses, cultural borders will always remain permeable. A century ago, there were concerns that our ancestors could assimilate. A century from from now, the West will be culturally different as more are assimilated, but will be less changed than the culture it has absorbed. Radical clerics on both sides rail against, issuing competing fatwas from Mecca, motu propios from Rome, and 700 Club commentary from Virginia Beach. But for those that worship the Man/God that expressed the core of revelation as erasing tribal division, that issued the parable about the hated Samaritan's magnanimity in response to the query "Who is my brother", the answer is clear if hard. As Francis of Assisi noted, you must feed your wolf. In obedience to the command, Avram went, from Sumeria to Canaan

 

[DawnCt1]

Out of context from another exchange with fellow Latino regarding Muslims in the West and Benedict XVI's view of Turkey, but apropos

Fear of the taint of the tribe, mongrelization and/or miscegenation, has infected human perception for recorded history. Notwithstanding the best defenses, cultural borders will always remain permeable. A century ago, there were concerns that our ancestors could assimilate. A century from from now, the West will be culturally different as more are assimilated, but will be less changed than the culture it has absorbed. Radical clerics on both sides rail against, issuing competing fatwas from Mecca, motu propios from Rome, and 700 Club commentary from Virginia Beach. But for those that worship the Man/God that expressed the core of revelation as erasing tribal division, that issued the parable about the hated Samaritan's magnanimity in response to the query "Who is my brother", the answer is clear if hard. As Francis of Assisi noted, you must feed your wolf. In obedience to the command, Avram went, from Sumeria to Canaan

This isn't a cultural issue. It's an issue of people from other countries, sneaking across the boarder who do not have to be responsible for their medical care, automobile insurance, paying taxes, social security, etc. Some people call it STEALING. In fact, I call it stealing and I don't care what language they speak or what color they are. "Mr. Bush, BUILD THAT WALL!"

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Not necessarily. Building that fence will also cut off the supply of field workers. Just as it is not fair to say that all illegal immigrants are criminals, it is not fair to say that closing the border to those field workers would be a benefit.

I don't believe the fence is meant to stop field workers from coming over and finding jobs - I do believe that the fence is meant to keep field workers from coming here illegally and not returning home when the jobs are finished.

Also,

All I asked for was a detail of what the poster thought they were mooching, as welfare, medicaid and food stamps are all tied to being here legally. "Illegal immigrants" have to have $$ to survive, just like everyone else. Since they can't get welfare, food stamps or medicaid...their money or support has to come from a more private source, either a "sponsor" or relative, or they have to work for it.

I personally know of someone who came here when she was 16, and at age 35 still didn't know English, got medicaid for free, and free medical. She also got an illegal California Drivers License so she could get a legal job.... This was happening when my grandmother, who was born in the US, and who paid taxes through the years, and whose husband had become a naturalized citizen years ago, was paying $90 for medicine that she needed to stay alive.

I have compassion for the people who are trying to make a better life, but I also think that they need to concentrate on improving their own country so that they, their children, and grandchildren have a better future in their own home. There is so much corruption in Mexico, and instead of focusing on that, President Fox redirects attention to the rich neighbor to the north who's been bailing out Mexico for years and years. Money that is sent back to Mexico does nothing to improve Mexico - I would prefer that people who've moved here (legal or not) spend their money on classes to learn English, and to invest in their children's futures - local economy, purchasing a home, college, etc. Many of these people live in poverty here because they send so much of their paycheck's back to Mexico & Central America, and because they refuse to integrate in our American culture.

 

[Chuck S]

The "field workers" can enter the country to work just as the migrant Jamaican workers enter Ct. to work, in fact, easier. They can take a bus, cross the boarder legally and go home when the season is over. That's how farm visa work in every other state that requires additional farm labor.

But you are assuming that the American employer would be willing to pay them a fair wage and document their employees as they are supposed to under the law. Many farm laborers, both for large and small farms, are undocumented, living on the property of the farmer in a house provided by the farmer, often without running water or electricity. It isn't any big "news" to locals, it's been happening for generations.

 

[crazyme5kids]

I didn't read through all the pages, but I must say Chuck S you are my new hero!

 

[twojo21]

i totally agree with you dawnct1, this is our country not the united states of mexico. i want more than a wall though, i want the government & businesses to stand by the laws, keyword illegal immigrant.

 

[Olaf]

I hear you Mary Jo, on the language issue. People who come here and refuse to learn English condemn themselves to the bottom of the economic rung. The girl who does my nails has been here 11 years and can still only speak a smattering of English.

If Mexico would get their own house in order, maybe so many people wouldn't be interested in making the trek north.

I don't know if the wall is the answer, but something has to be done. There are very few countries around that grant citizenship merely by being born in a country. Maybe that's something that needs to be looked at as well.

 

[2BigKIdz]

Do you think you could LIVE on $5 an hour? Especially when it is only seasonal work? And no health insurance or retirement benefits?

A lot of Americans make minimum wage AND pay taxes which puts them at less than $5 an hour.

 

[PixieDust32]

Well, I don't understand why the stupid Mexican president (Fox) has the right to protest about this wall, no one is violation the immigrants rights by bulding this wall, he needs to fix Mexico first, the corruption from his goverment should be his priority, but the only reason he is so "worry" about this issue is the Money that Mexican immigrants send to thei families and to the county, Mexico gets more money from immigrants sending to their families than selling oil to the USA. Also they don't talk about how the Mexican police abuse the immigrants from Guatemala, Honduras, when they want to come to America they must go trought Mexico and Women and children get rape, they take their money and they put them in jail without water and food for days, Fox doesn't think about human rights with these people.

They only reason why Mexican people come to America is bcs of corrupted Goverment, I don't blame them for coming to American looking for a better life, but I do understand that is not right and it does hurt the American economy, but I also know that they don't get everything for FREE, first they are illegal so they don't get welfare or healthcare like other lazy Americans that rather sit on their butts and collect gov checks. Illegals do all the dirty jobs others won't do, the show dirty jobs is a good example of it. Also they went to Missisippi and LA to work and rebuilt while most of the citizens left and now are living in hotels for FREE and collecting gov checks, they are there now working on buliding the casinos, and lots of them don't get paid. So we cannot say that they don't do anything or they are here for free, but the do brake the law.
Again, the Mexican Goverment has no right to complain about the wall at all.

Thanks and I got my flame suit on

 

[Puffy2]

How do you know that we don't take care of the poor. What about OUR poor?

That one is laughable. Our poor (the poor of the US) are wealthy compared to the poor of the third world.

I'm not saying the US has a responsibliity as a nation to take care of all the masses world wide, but Jesus would think it's our responsibility as humans. This is one reason - if we all want to survive - that there should be a separation of church and state. It is not the state's responsibility, but it is a Christian's responsbility. I think we should do, as Christians - as humans , what we can to help relieve the suffering of others.

As a nation, we should see it in our best interest to assist the econonomy of our neighbors (Latin America) - if they can make their place better, we all win. How do we assist the economy? Working partnerships - education with business leaders, government officals and educational institutions. It's a sharing of knowledge, not money.

 

[DarkSideMoon]

Go back a few pages. The person was complaining about taxes he personally is paying now and he does not pay any now. I was just pointing that out.

So how do you know I don't pay taxes? because I did not reply to your asking my job?