Mel Gibson - Tapes Revealed

[teskak]

I think it goes back to his personal, conservative religious beliefs (or some mix up from there). My Dis Doctor says he distinguishes between Madonna and *****.

Madonna, mother of his 7 children is respected
***** - where his baser desires come out.

Oksana would have had 1 trick to play, she caught him, but that is not enough to elevate her to the Madonna. Things break up, and his belief of her comes back to *****

 

[Sherry E]

A pp mentioned that he offered her $20 million & she declined.
Then what is her motive for taping him? Is it to show how unstable & dangerous he is & to make sure he doesn't get any custody rights to their child, because she's so concerned for the baby's welfare? Surely, if she thought he might hit her she wouldn't have picked up her baby to stop him. If he's that unhinged, how would she be sure he wouldn't hit her while she's holding the baby?
And if she's out to ruin him, I don't know how much money he has now, but with no more coming in and another family to pay for, how much more than 20 million could she get, unless it'd be that & sole custody.

I really don't get this 'blame the woman' mentality. You think she "picked up her baby to stop" Mel? No. She was holding her baby when Mel hit her - BIG, BIG difference. You think she was supposed to anticipate in advance when a lunatic was going to come unhinged and hit her, and put down the baby? What if she actually trusted him enough to not hit her? How about this - how about that crazed megalomaniac Mel should have enough self-control to NOT hit her in the first place? How is this her fault in any way?

Yes, she taped him because she was afraid for her life (and I would have been as well, and I would do exactly the same thing), and she needed to get him on tape threatening her, which she very sucessfully did. Also, this was going to be used in the custody battle. But Mel gave her all the ammunition! If he weren't a stark raving lunatic who hates everyone - and frankly, he sounds like he is possessed by the devil at certain points, and that's no joke - she wouldn't have had anything to use against him. He handed it to her on a silver platter because he is unhinged and totally unraveling before everyone's eyes.

 

[Nik's Mom]

MSN had a story on their home page this morning stating that Mel's ex-wife signed a declaration for the court stating that there was no abuse in their marriage. If there were no signs of abuse in all of those years of marriage, then maybe this is due to dementia/drugs/mental illness. That doesn't make it any better, of course. I really feel bad for all of his kids. This must be hard for them to deal with.

 

[ols386]

MSN had a story on their home page this morning stating that Mel's ex-wife signed a declaration for the court stating that there was no abuse in their marriage. If there were no signs of abuse in all of those years of marriage, then maybe this is due to dementia/drugs/mental illness. That doesn't make it any better, of course. I really feel bad for all of his kids. This must be hard for them to deal with.

I agree. And I don't think his ex-wife would have a reason to lie. He may be suffering from some type of mental illness, or there may be drugs/alcohol involved. Either way, I'm not condoning what he did, but there does seem to be some missing parts to this story.

 

[ols386]

I think people in the media or who may have known Mel at some point are trying to grasp for any kind of 'thing' that can make this whole mess seem not as bad as it is. They want to find ways to spin it so that it's Oksana's fault. They want to question her method of making the recordings or her motivation behind it. Anything to try to make Mel seem like he is not as bad as he is. He is a bad person. He has shown us this much. The stuff he says is vile and oozing with hate.

We have all heard the recordings - it is clearly Mel's voice. There is no doubt about it. The only reason anyone on TV is saying "IF that proves to be Mel on the tapes" is to protect themselves from a potential lawsuit. But we all know it's Mel. If it were not Mel, Mel would be shouting from the rooftops that it is not his voice. Notice he is being very silent.

Furthermore, Mel is clearly responding to Oksana's comments in the tapes - he is clearly interacting with her. It's not like she just planted his tirades in there randomly and they don't fit what she is saying - it is clearly an interaction between the two of them in each excerpt.

Also, Oksana is a 'singer' (whatever that means) and has access to recording equipment. In fact, at one point Mel rants about the cost of the equipment he paid for and says he could have done it himself (whatever that means). Anyway, I'm sure that with the help of a good sound mixer or engineer, Oksana was able to make a tape/tapes of excellent quality so that she can clearly be heard and Mel can clearly be heard. She knew she was going to be recording Mel for a while, so she made sure to get a set-up that would get her the best quality. Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion. And she wanted to make sure that she captured him on tape in all his glory, saying the stuff that she had become accustomed to hearing.

Oksana had every right to tape Mel if she was in fear for her life - and based on what I've heard of Mel, I would be in fear for my life as well. He is obviously highly unstable, and dislikes almost every segment of society! Oksana may be a lousy person or gold digger (and I don't know if she is or not), but I think she deserves a medal for having to put up with Mel at all. She did not deserve what he did or said to her...and he does not deserve to have custody of that baby.

Now, most likely, Oksana probably made hours and hours of tapes - because I suspect Mel has been a stark-raving lunatic for the entirety of their relationship (and probably before that), and it finally escalated to the point where she needed to get evidence - after he hit her and threatened her life. Chances are, she probably extracted the 'highlights' of the tapes and put them on to one main tape, which is the 30-minute thing that RadarOnline has, from which they keep releasing little snippets. That is probably what the audio experts are picking up - that it is not one long 30-minute chat. Rather, it's the 'greatest hits' reel from many conversations, strung together on one tape. But the individual exchanges from each excerpt are clearly Mel and Oksana interacting. He is responding to her comments, and she to his.

Bottom line - I don't know if this woman is a gold digger, but I see nothing wrong with taping Mel. I see nothing wrong with the way in which she taped him. I don't care if the quality is great. I don't care if she had someone help her record him. I don't care if she only hooked up with him for money. Whatever the case, he has proven himself to be a maniac and she did not deserve his treatment. He has decades of deep-seated anger buried in him that clearly extends way beyond Oksana. He needs to be put away for a while - no, let me correct that. Someone needs to give him a good smack across the face and then lock him up before it's too late.

I very much disagree with the bolded statement. It's not ok for him to smack her (or anyone for that matter) across the face, but it's ok to smack him? That's certainly a double standard.

You want to lock him up before the facts are known. As stated in pp, I DO NOT condone what he is being accused of, but he deserves fair treatment through the legal system just as anyone else does.

 

[Philagoofy]

I really don't get this 'blame the woman' mentality. You think she "picked up her baby to stop" Mel? No. She was holding her baby when Mel hit her - BIG, BIG difference. You think she was supposed to anticipate in advance when a lunatic was going to come unhinged and hit her, and put down the baby? What if she actually trusted him enough to not hit her? How about this - how about that crazed megalomaniac Mel should have enough self-control to NOT hit her in the first place? How is this her fault in any way?

I suppose to you my post sounded like I blame her and he's not at fault. I don't feel that way at all. I was going by another post here that, now that I re-read it, said she may have picked up the baby during a fight. I didn't realize she was already holding the baby when he hit her. And whether she was holding the baby or not, I don't condone physical abuse or violence.

 

[The Mystery Machine]

MSN had a story on their home page this morning stating that Mel's ex-wife signed a declaration for the court stating that there was no abuse in their marriage. If there were no signs of abuse in all of those years of marriage, then maybe this is due to dementia/drugs/mental illness. That doesn't make it any better, of course. I really feel bad for all of his kids. This must be hard for them to deal with.

Are you talking about his ex wife or his girlfriend Oksana?

Mel was not with the current gal all those years. That was Robyn.

So I am a little confused with the story we are telling here. Just because the ex stated something about her marriage does not mean she was not dealing with his mental illness. Just saying....

 

[fey_spirit]

You know I have been wondering about this from the beginnng.
The term Bi-Polar has been thrown around on this thread more then once and I've been wondering since the beginning of these reports if this was the case.

The thing about Bi-Polar disorder is that it not only would explain a lot of his behavior (including his absolute belief that he is completly right and everyone else wrong, and his minor god complex.), but it would fit the profile of "normal" to "psycho".

Very often as we get older Bi-Polar disorder gets worse, the symptoms become more and more volatile. In men this quite often leads to escalating levels of violence. The drinking also fits here because those suffering from non treated Bi-Polar will often unwittingly try to self medicate with alcohol.

If Mel was this crazed violent madman, one would think there would have been reports of this behavior from his soon-to-be ex-wife of 26 years. According to the news, she just wrote a letter to the custody judge in Mel's current case describing Mel as a loving and caring father and husband and that there was never any history of violence.

So if he really has gone round-the-bend, perhaps there is some pathological cause?

 

[fey_spirit]

I don't know at what point of the fight she picked up the child but I do have to wonder if she did pick up the child in self defense, was it at the beginning of the abuse cycle?

If we don't put him in jail, we still need to lock him up in a mental health care facility. It is my opinion that he can't be left to wander around on his own - he is a danger to those around him, and quite possibly to himself. (Esp if it is Bi-Polar which is being left untreated.)

If he hadn't been hitting her for very long - it is possible she still believed that the baby would be enough to hold him off.

Surely, if she thought he might hit her she wouldn't have picked up her baby to stop him. If he's that unhinged, how would she be sure he wouldn't hit her while she's holding the baby?

I don't condone spousal abuse in any way, shape, or form, but I'm not completely sold on him going to prison at this point. I think he needs help in other ways.

 

[bambii]

when she was talking about him hitting her with the baby in her arms she sounded like she was reading lines from a move with no emotion.. i blame both of them for what went on her dating a married man, staying with him after everthing happened and him being a jerk, dating her while married, and him being abusive.. they both are wrong..

 

[fey_spirit]

No doubt the woman is not going to win any awards for outstanding citizen of the year.
That said, surely you don't think that being the "other woman" even approaches the kind of crazy and sick Mel has been exhibiting in the last few years?

As for "Reading Lines" - If you know what you're going to say beforehand in order to make a good tape, if you know what you need to get him to confess to then you just might sound like you're reading lines. Kind of like someone who isn't good at it giving a speech. Every word in the speech might be correct but between the fear, and well actually reading pre-prepared materials you can come off sounding like you are reading lines.

when she was talking about him hitting her with the baby in her arms she sounded like she was reading lines from a move with no emotion.. i blame both of them for what went on her dating a married man, staying with him after everthing happened and him being a jerk, dating her while married, and him being abusive.. they both are wrong..

 

[ols386]

No doubt the woman is not going to win any awards for outstanding citizen of the year.
That said, surely you don't think that being the "other woman" even approaches the kind of crazy and sick Mel has been exhibiting in the last few years?

As for "Reading Lines" - If you know what you're going to say beforehand in order to make a good tape, if you know what you need to get him to confess to then you just might sound like you're reading lines. Kind of like someone who isn't good at it giving a speech. Every word in the speech might be correct but between the fear, and well actually reading pre-prepared materials you can come off sounding like you are reading lines.

Are you saying that even if she wasn't reading lines, she rehearsed?

Even if she was with him when he was married, that doesn't make it right for her to be abused.

The other thing I was wondering about, if he knocked out two of her teeth, why haven't we seen any photos? Seems like if she has a case against him, she or someone in her party, would have been anxious to publish photos. If there are photos of this, I haven't seen them.

 

[Deb in IA]

Are you talking about his ex wife or his girlfriend Oksana?

I think Robyn is STILL his wife.
This report says that they filed for divorce in April, 2009, but that is is ongoing.



http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38271107/ns/today-entertainment/

Source: Gibson's wife says she was not abused
Robyn Gibson says in a court declaration the actor never abused their familyPhotos


Robyn Gibson says in a court declaration that husband Mel, whom she is divorcing, never hurt her or their children.
LOS ANGELES — Mel Gibson's estranged wife has filed a court declaration stating she and her children never experienced any abuse by the Academy Award winner.

A source familiar with the case but not authorized to speak publicly tells The Associated Press that Robyn Gibson filed the statement in a custody hearing between her husband and his ex-girlfriend, Oksana Grigorieva.

According to celebrity website TMZ.com, Robyn Gibson wrote in the declaration, "Mel never engaged in any physical abuse of any kind toward me before, during or after our marriage." She also noted that "Mel was a wonderful and loving father."

Robyn Gibson filed to divorce her husband of 28 years in April 2009. The divorce is ongoing.
Neither Mel Gibson nor Grigorieva appeared at a daylong hearing in the custody case held Thursday in Los Angeles. The hearing was conducted in closed session. The former couple have an 8-month-old daughter together.

Sheriff's detectives investigating Gibson for possible domestic violence obtained audio recordings from the court Thursday.

 

[fey_spirit]

Yes, it is very possible she at least prepared if not rehearsed some of what she was going to say. If I wanted someone to confess to something they had done and had gone to a great deal of trouble to ensure you could get it on tape I know I would...

That doesn't mean that none of it actually happened otherwise there wouldn't be a confession forthcoming - but it does mean that I would have it in front of me as a point to cover.

Once again how early in the process was the teeth incident? Were they still in the first thrust of the abuse cycle? When a woman is likely to be blaming herself, or willing to do anything to try to believe that it wont happen again? Was it towards the middle when she is beginning to get a clue but is too scared to leave? Under either circumstance I can see this being quickly repaired and hushed up to protect Mel.

Are you saying that even if she wasn't reading lines, she rehearsed?

Even if she was with him when he was married, that doesn't make it right for her to be abused.

The other thing I was wondering about, if he knocked out two of her teeth, why haven't we seen any photos? Seems like if she has a case against him, she or someone in her party, would have been anxious to publish photos. If there are photos of this, I haven't seen them.

 

[fey_spirit]

Hmmm - but she doesn't really say much of what he was like as a husband.
It is very possible that he never touched his kids, it is also possible that as he slides further into crazy land - that might change.

I think Robyn is STILL his wife.
This report says that they filed for divorce in April, 2009, but that is is ongoing.



http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38271107/ns/today-entertainment/

Source: Gibson's wife says she was not abused
Robyn Gibson says in a court declaration the actor never abused their familyPhotos


Robyn Gibson says in a court declaration that husband Mel, whom she is divorcing, never hurt her or their children.
LOS ANGELES — Mel Gibson's estranged wife has filed a court declaration stating she and her children never experienced any abuse by the Academy Award winner.

A source familiar with the case but not authorized to speak publicly tells The Associated Press that Robyn Gibson filed the statement in a custody hearing between her husband and his ex-girlfriend, Oksana Grigorieva.

According to celebrity website TMZ.com, Robyn Gibson wrote in the declaration, "Mel never engaged in any physical abuse of any kind toward me before, during or after our marriage." She also noted that "Mel was a wonderful and loving father."

Robyn Gibson filed to divorce her husband of 28 years in April 2009. The divorce is ongoing.
Neither Mel Gibson nor Grigorieva appeared at a daylong hearing in the custody case held Thursday in Los Angeles. The hearing was conducted in closed session. The former couple have an 8-month-old daughter together.

Sheriff's detectives investigating Gibson for possible domestic violence obtained audio recordings from the court Thursday.

 

[cteddiesgirl]

I agree. And I don't think his ex-wife would have a reason to lie. He may be suffering from some type of mental illness, or there may be drugs/alcohol involved. Either way, I'm not condoning what he did, but there does seem to be some missing parts to this story.

Who knows? Maybe she did lie because he's threatened her life. Maybe he has something on her she doesn't want known. Maybe these are reasons why she stayed with him for so long. But who really knows? Maybe he's been a model person all this time and it's only taken until now for this to happen. As someone said, it may be drugs, alcohol, dementia, or various other things.

 

[horseshowmom]

Just my two cents...

When she talked about him breaking her two teeth, he didn't deny it (of course, the tape could have been spliced) so it sounds like he has been guilty of physical abuse. There is NO excuse for that.

I also have to acknowledge that she sounds completely calm when she's talking to him (no sign of fear at all). It's possible that she was "setting him up" to an extent - antagonizing him. He was certainly out of control while she wasn't even mildly excited. Regardless, he showed himself to be a first class jerk.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure she's quite as much a victim as is being portrayed. If she was, why didn't she use the tapes at the time of the abuse instead of now (I will give her credit for seeming to be trying to protect her daughter from Gibson and hope that's really her motive). I also believe that he has physically abused her (assuming the tape wasn't spliced), and he should be charged.

That said, he also comments on their having been together for 3 years which would be prior to his divorce. I don't condone physical abuse, but I also have a hard time working up much sympathy for either of them.

 

[Heidict]

The other thing I was wondering about, if he knocked out two of her teeth, why haven't we seen any photos? Seems like if she has a case against him, she or someone in her party, would have been anxious to publish photos. If there are photos of this, I haven't seen them.

From what I read, he didn't knock out a tooth. He actually knocked off a veneer and cracked another veneer.

Her dentist did take pictures and I believe they have been released to the police, but that is it.

 

[ols386]

From what I read, he didn't knock out a tooth. He actually knocked off a veneer and cracked another veneer.

Her dentist did take pictures and I believe they have been released to the police, but that is it.

I see. Thanks!

 

[FoundMyPrince]

From what I read, he didn't knock out a tooth. He actually knocked off a veneer and cracked another veneer.

Her dentist did take pictures and I believe they have been released to the police, but that is it.

Actually there is a photo on radaronline.com of the gf and her broken veneers.