Measles outbreak sends unvaccinated students home - What do you think??

[Mrs. Charming]

Because she is asking for the school to supply the lessons. As far as being responsible parents, that is what we are debating, aren't we?

You just didn't imply that I'm an irresponsible parent, did you? I hope you didn't. My mother is a teacher of 20+ years, I understand what goes into being a teacher, and not only that, I was homeschooled for a long while in high school because of an illness, I know full well what I'm talking about.

 

[Becky2005]

And here I am following the 24 hour rule for fever free -- even if they are perfectly fine the next day. The rule says you have to stay home that 1 day perfectly healthy before going back.

I get the concept of you may not want to vaccinate and that is fine but umm...I definitely think if I know that a confirmed case of "whatever" disease is going around and the rules say you can't come to school then that is what it is.

I'm sure the rules have been written before this break-out.

We had kids out for a full week last year with H1N1 even if they didn't have it. If they had the combined symptoms they could NOT come back until 7 days. I know my daughter ended up filling in as an understudy for student acting due to this. The original girl, although, was feeling perfectly fine couldn't do it as it was considered a school sponsored activity and wasn't allowed. It was just the way it was.

 

[pilesoflaundry]

It's fair. It's usually on the waiver form you sign that you accept in the event of an outbreak your child will be sent home.

Now if they were poiting fingers and blaming the unvaccinated children for the outbreak without proof of where it started or what strain it was, that may be seen as unfair.

 

[pilesoflaundry]

See, in a case like this I would be tempted to tell the parents that your child is not in school due to no fault of the school's therefore the responsibility to get the school work prepared, done and in would be yours, but since the schools can't do that, the teachers will be forced to spend dozens of extra hours, unpaid, to prepare work for kids that should be in school

Do the teachers not prepare that work for the whole class every day anyway? Except in certain cases it's not like you know who is going to be absent everyday. Some kids are fine the night prior and wake up with a fever. It's that hard to put some worksheets aside for them? Half the time they can't make up the assignments anyway if it's lecture, video or hands on type work.

 

[jodifla]

It's fair. Everybody who chooses not to vaccinate should now they are potentially have their kids stay home for weeks if not months as diseases make their way back into schools.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

See, in a case like this I would be tempted to tell the parents that your child is not in school due to no fault of the school's therefore the responsibility to get the school work prepared, done and in would be yours, but since the schools can't do that, the teachers will be forced to spend dozens of extra hours, unpaid, to prepare work for kids that should be in school

sorry, but everything I have done is within my rights and within the law. As others have said - the school also has a responsibility. If the school mandates my DD has to stay home, then they need to ensure her education can continue.

 

[bumbershoot]

Measles outbreak sends unvaccinated students home - What do you think??

I think that I wonder why those who have had the shots are worried about getting it, if they believe in the shots.

That's what I wonder.

Vaccination doesn't mean immunization.



I was watching that Millionaire movie with Lauren Bacall and Marilyn Monroe a couple weeks ago. The other female character came down with measles. She was told to lie down in a darkened room and she'd be better in a week or two. That's it. That's what was in the popular culture about it then. Now the popular culture shows that it's a terrible awful horrible thing. Heck, many doctors don't know what to do with it (which is, really nothing, leave it alone) because they believe so strongly that shots eliminate it. They have a hard time even diagnosing it unless they know the person hasn't had the shots. It's ridiculous.

Anyway, if you believe the shots take care of it 100%, then don't worry about it.

 

[crashbb]

I think that I wonder why those who have had the shots are worried about getting it, if they believe in the shots.

That's what I wonder.

Vaccination doesn't mean immunization.



I was watching that Millionaire movie with Lauren Bacall and Marilyn Monroe a couple weeks ago. The other female character came down with measles. She was told to lie down in a darkened room and she'd be better in a week or two. That's it. That's what was in the popular culture about it then. Now the popular culture shows that it's a terrible awful horrible thing. Heck, many doctors don't know what to do with it (which is, really nothing, leave it alone) because they believe so strongly that shots eliminate it. They have a hard time even diagnosing it unless they know the person hasn't had the shots. It's ridiculous.

Anyway, if you believe the shots take care of it 100%, then don't worry about it.

Not that you'll actually read this - you never do after posting your asinine "medical" nonsense, but in case anybody else does read it.

1) Nobody believes that vaccinations are 100 percent effective. They do, however, greatly reduce ones chances of getting a given disease, especially if herd immunity is reached.

2) I *always* get my medical information from fictional Hollywood movies. If a character was told that measles wasn't serious, then measles must not be serious.

3) Although there are ways to develop immunity without a vaccination, vaccination does mean immunization (baring weird issues with them "not taking"). Natural immunity isn't 100% either - I've managed to get chicken pox three times (never badly).

4) According to the WHO, there are 450 deaths around the world from measles every single day. But no, measles are never serious - Hollywood said so.

Back on topic - I agree with the decision to keep unvaccinated kids out of schools. Parents have a right not to vaccinate their children, but, in doing so, they run the risk of the children being kept out of school when an epidemic occurs.

 

[AshleyW]

I think that I wonder why those who have had the shots are worried about getting it, if they believe in the shots.

That's what I wonder.

Vaccination doesn't mean immunization.



I was watching that Millionaire movie with Lauren Bacall and Marilyn Monroe a couple weeks ago. The other female character came down with measles. She was told to lie down in a darkened room and she'd be better in a week or two. That's it. That's what was in the popular culture about it then. Now the popular culture shows that it's a terrible awful horrible thing. Heck, many doctors don't know what to do with it (which is, really nothing, leave it alone) because they believe so strongly that shots eliminate it. They have a hard time even diagnosing it unless they know the person hasn't had the shots. It's ridiculous.

Anyway, if you believe the shots take care of it 100%, then don't worry about it.

That's because the fact of the matter is, it CAN be a terrible, awful, horrible thing. Around 20% of people who get measles wind up with complications, like pneumonia, bronchitis, thrombocytopenia, or even encephalitis.

Anyway, I agree with the school to keep the un-vaxed kids out of school. They need to avoid spreading measles, and if this is the best way to do it, then so be it. That's just something that parents need to keep in mind when they decide not to vax their kids.

 

[krcit]

Without getting into the whole vaccination thing(my kids are all vaccinated)..I can't understand why this mother would want to send her child to school while there was a measles outbreak?? Does she realize how idiotic she sounds?

 

[Mrs. Charming]

Without getting into the whole vaccination thing(my kids are all vaccinated)..I can't understand why this mother would want to send her child to school while there was a measles outbreak?? Does she realize how idiotic she sounds?

I'd keep DD out for a month! Sometimes in life there are things you just have to miss out on.

 

[bored]

I feel sorry for the kids in the middle of this. Not their fault their parents didn't vax them, but they will ultimately bear the brunt of any negative reprecussions that come out of this.

 

[tigercat]

It's funny that all the vaccinated people are afraid of the non-vaccinated kids. There was an outbreak a couple of years ago and the only people that got it were the kids that were vaccinated. None of the non-vaccinated kids got it. They did have to stay away after the first couple of kids got it and there were no problems with that. I never got the vaccinations but that was too many years ago. My dm used to send us to the other kids that had these childhood diseases so that we would get them. All my friends and my dsis's friend got them but we never did. Since I came from a large family none of our Dr's would believe it when we said we had never had anything. We ended up having natural immunity to them. Go figure.
tigercat

 

[themilesfamily]

Does she realize how silly she sounds saying her beliefs are more important than something that experienced doctors have been researching for years?

That's music to my ears.

Funny how people will throw out a mountain of research in a second if it doesn't fit in with how they do things, how it's always been done in their family, etc.

I support people being free to vax or not. (Our family vaccinates.) But I also don't think it's unfair that the child was asked to stay out of school for three weeks for his/her own safety.

And I think we're in for a heap of trouble if many people stop vaccinating. Losing herd immunity would be a very bad thing.

 

[mefordis]

Very interesting. Thank you for sharing!

It's funny that all the vaccinated people are afraid of the non-vaccinated kids. There was an outbreak a couple of years ago and the only people that got it were the kids that were vaccinated. None of the non-vaccinated kids got it. They did have to stay away after the first couple of kids got it and there were no problems with that. I never got the vaccinations but that was too many years ago. My dm used to send us to the other kids that had these childhood diseases so that we would get them. All my friends and my dsis's friend got them but we never did. Since I came from a large family none of our Dr's would believe it when we said we had never had anything. We ended up having natural immunity to them. Go figure.
tigercat

 

[Deb in IA]

"But Conley said the length of the quarantine is too long because she believes measles is only infectious for up to 14 days"

And she is basing this on her doctorate in medicine, or something she read of the internet? I'd go with the Health Authority on this one, assuming they have qualified Doctors on staff....

She probably saw the same movie that bumbershoot watched . . .

 

[Bonnie151]

I think a lot of non-vaxers don't realise just how nasty measles is. My DD was lab confirmed at 15 months with modified wild measles ("modified" because she was given the MMR as soon as we found out she'd been exposed) and it was AWFUL! On other boards I've seen people compare measles to chicken pox and our experience was nothing like that. It went right to DD's eyes and we had to keep her in darkened rooms - the conjunctivitis which developed towards the end lasted for 6 weeks. She was *miserably* ill and just let out little whimpers while covered in the rash from head to toe.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone and wonder how some people can be so blase about it.

 

[BCDisneyFanatic]

It's funny that all the vaccinated people are afraid of the non-vaccinated kids. There was an outbreak a couple of years ago and the only people that got it were the kids that were vaccinated. None of the non-vaccinated kids got it. They did have to stay away after the first couple of kids got it and there were no problems with that.

Well, even under the best conditions, the vaccine is only effective 95-97% of the time. That means that in a school of 300 kids, up to 15 would be unprotected, even though they were vaccinated. Since measles is EXTREMELY virulent, it is very likely that these kids would develop measles if they shared a classroom with a contagious child.

While you may have heard of one outbreak where none of the non-vaccinated kids got it, that doesn't seem to be the norm:

"There's definitely a lack of appreciation of measles and what it can do," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center and chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. He said that in a recent Indiana outbreak, a 17-year-old girl was infected with measles on a trip to Romania, and when she came home she went to a church picnic attended by about 500 people. Of that group, 35 were unvaccinated. Three people out of 465 vaccinated got measles, while 31 out of the 35 who were unvaccinated contracted the disease, Offit said.

"That's how highly contagious measles is," he said, pointing out that these people were at an outdoor church picnic, likely without sustained exposure to the infected teenager.


http://health.usnews.com/health-new...outbreak-triggered-by-unvaccinated-child.html

 

[shortbun]

I had a 6yo get on my bus today and say, "I need a seat just for me.' I thought he was asking for a seat change which I do not do unless there is a problem so I said, 'go to your assigned seat XXX.' He said, 'I'm sick and my Mom says I need to sit alone.' me-'why are you coming to school sick?' Him-'my Mom wants me to'. Me-'how are you sick?' him-'I don't feel good and I have bumps all over me that are itchy.' me-'go to the back of the bus and sit in a seat by yourself.'
What the Heck???!!!! I called the school when I dropped off and they were headed to his room to check out his sickness. Same mom sent him sick 6 weeks ago and he coughed all over me-thus I am still sick.

 

[golfgal]

It's funny that all the vaccinated people are afraid of the non-vaccinated kids. There was an outbreak a couple of years ago and the only people that got it were the kids that were vaccinated. None of the non-vaccinated kids got it. They did have to stay away after the first couple of kids got it and there were no problems with that. I never got the vaccinations but that was too many years ago. My dm used to send us to the other kids that had these childhood diseases so that we would get them. All my friends and my dsis's friend got them but we never did. Since I came from a large family none of our Dr's would believe it when we said we had never had anything. We ended up having natural immunity to them. Go figure.
tigercat

Go figure your recollection doesn't match the facts--see below...

Well, even under the best conditions, the vaccine is only effective 95-97% of the time. That means that in a school of 300 kids, up to 15 would be unprotected, even though they were vaccinated. Since measles is EXTREMELY virulent, it is very likely that these kids would develop measles if they shared a classroom with a contagious child.

While you may have heard of one outbreak where none of the non-vaccinated kids got it, that doesn't seem to be the norm:

"There's definitely a lack of appreciation of measles and what it can do," said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center and chief of infectious diseases at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. He said that in a recent Indiana outbreak, a 17-year-old girl was infected with measles on a trip to Romania, and when she came home she went to a church picnic attended by about 500 people. Of that group, 35 were unvaccinated. Three people out of 465 vaccinated got measles, while 31 out of the 35 who were unvaccinated contracted the disease, Offit said.

"That's how highly contagious measles is," he said, pointing out that these people were at an outdoor church picnic, likely without sustained exposure to the infected teenager.


http://health.usnews.com/health-new...outbreak-triggered-by-unvaccinated-child.html