Mean School Lunch Ladies!!

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Wishing on a star said:
Yep, it is not just the 'lunch ladies' either.... This is an EPIDEMIC problem in education today. I FIRMLY believe that educators have a definate "God Complex". (similar to Doctors having been known for having God Complex.) :sad2:

These people think that they are almighty god because they have a little contol, over CHILDREN... :confused3


Yep, I have the God complex. I expect your child to use the restroom when he or she feels the need. I expect your child to bring me his or her planner so I can sign it so that your child can use the restroom. I expect your child to just leave the classroom if he or she has an emergency and doesn't have time to get the planner signed. I expect your child to use their own judgement when it comes to their basic bodily functions. I am not one to deny a child a potty break even though I haven't had one in hours myself.

I am such a control freak that I enjoy allowing a child the right to use the bathroom when he or she needs to.

I'm sorry about my God complex. Maybe I should change my ways...
 
LOL! Yeah, whenever my Mom left the house to spend the day with 125 angst-ridden teenagers (taught high school math), she felt like the chosen one yelling "I RULE the world".

I would think if she were that power hungry, she would have chosen a different profession. Hmmm....
 
LOL! Yeah, whenever my Mom left the house to spend the day with 125 angst-ridden teenagers (taught high school math), she felt like the chosen one yelling "I RULE the world".

LOL -

Sometimes it takes a God complex to try and teach Algebra to a roomful of beings whose parents have convinced them they are the Second Coming of the only perfect human ever to walk the Earth.
 

monsterkitty said:
Yep, I have the God complex. I expect your child to use the restroom when he or she feels the need. I expect your child to bring me his or her planner so I can sign it so that your child can use the restroom. I expect your child to just leave the classroom if he or she has an emergency and doesn't have time to get the planner signed. I expect your precious little child to use their own judgement when it comes to their basic bodily functions. I am not one to deny a child a potty break even though I haven't had one in hours myself.

I am such a control freak that I enjoy allowing a child the right to use the bathroom when he or she needs to.

I'm sorry about my God complex. Maybe I should change my ways...
I'm going to apologize for my Teacher God complex too. I'm sorry that many of my students get better care in my classroom than they get at home. I am so sorry for feeding these kids breakfast, out of my pocket, b/c Mommy can't get her butt out of bed early enough to prepare something as basic as a bowl of cereal for breakfast. I'm sorry for making sure your child has glue even though I've sent you 5 notes asking you to send in glue sticks, all which have gone ignored. I'm sorry for letting your child cry on my shoulder b/c you and Daddy had a fight that not only scared them but kept them up half the night. I'm sorry for letting you know that your child needs extra help with a math concept. I'm sorry for everything. I'm sorry for sending home clean, extra uniform shirts b/c you don't have the time to wash them. I am sorry for giving your child good self esteem and for educating them. I apologize profusely for caring about your child.

Teacher God? What kind of super powers might I have? The ability to instill an education and teach them something. The power of giving knowledge. The power to give them attention that they need and don't get at home. The power to love a child even though he's not my own and his own parent could give a rat's butt about him. The power to smile at you warmly and hear you lie to me when you tell me you're working w/your child at home when it's obvious that you're not. Look out -- I'm going to take over the world next. Should be easy after teaching kdg. all these years.

How about SAHM Gods. My kid is always right, they do nothing wrong. None of those around, huh? Any SAHM Gods? I didn't think so ......

In sincerety, I am sorry that I hijacked this thread.
 
Last I heard, being self-absorbed, and having an attitude, is an occupational hazard that comes along with just being a teenager... (Look at how many... "my teen has an attitude" threads there are, posted by parents!!!)

OHHHHH but WAIT!!!!! By the time a kid is a teenager, they have been completely controlled by the school system for YEARS!!!! From the time they catch the bus at 6:30a.m., until they do hours and hours of homework before going to bed every night.. The school system gets them for HOURs every day, where a parent is lucky to have the time interact with their child for an hour.... So, HHHHMMMM I guess it is the EDUCATORS to blame for any attitudes that teens have!!!! I mean, these educators have the power to "Shape Childrens Minds!!!!". :rotfl2:


To the OP... Sorry to have sidetracked this thread... I did mean my comments in earnest. Based on a LOT of personal experience.
Good luck with the situation with your little DD! :goodvibes
 
Did anyone notice the OP said that she even sent in a Doctor's note finally?

As far as the two teachers here--don't take the God complex personally....there are some teachers out their who do think they are omnipotent. If you never came across one, you are truly blessed.

My mother refused to send my brother to a school in a new area b/c they had an absolute silence rule at lunch. Gotta love socialization logic. She sent him to private school where he had a mean principal. But at least lunchtime wasn't as unnecessarily strict.
 
minkydog said:
i'm all for letting little kids go to the bathroom, but I'm wondering why your daughter isn't going to the bathroom before she gets to the lunchroom. :confused3 Does the teacher make time for a bathroom run? Most kids by this age do not have to get up during a meal to use the bathroom. If she is doing that consistently then she needs to be trained to go to the bathroom before a meal, wash hands, and not leave the table except for an emergency.
The lunch room lady sounds like she has issues... :rolleyes:

If one's bladder and intestines are working as they should, 5 to 10 minutes after food and drink are ingested, liquid and food eaten prior to that need to leave your body. This information came from my son's pediatric intestinal specialist at Children's Hospital in our city. Going prior to eating only succeeds in voiding anything you were "holding" prior. She(the specialist) also pointed out that many adults have soooo abused their systems that we(the adults) have no clue as to how things are supposed to work. I was amused and enlightened by her information. Even the lunchroom adults at our school(the school I brag about incessently) are gestapo about allowing children to go to the bathroom. It's insane and a control issue. These adults need to get a life and quit looking for things they can be in charge of.
 
Daxx said:
I'm sorry that many of my students get better care in my classroom than they get at home.
.....
give them attention that they need and don't get at home.
....
hear you lie to me


I can't even BELIEVE this completely self-righteous post.

:earseek: :earseek: :earseek:

Talk about a 'judgemental' "GOD" attitude.... :sad2:
 
minkydog said:
i'm all for letting little kids go to the bathroom, but I'm wondering why your daughter isn't going to the bathroom before she gets to the lunchroom. :confused3 Does the teacher make time for a bathroom run? Most kids by this age do not have to get up during a meal to use the bathroom. If she is doing that consistently then she needs to be trained to go to the bathroom before a meal, wash hands, and not leave the table except for an emergency.
The lunch room lady sounds like she has issues... :rolleyes:

If you have to go, you have to go, whether it's when your in the middle of eating or not. And, no one has the right to force you to hold it in, and God forbid if you can't, then you just humiliate yourself in front of everyone. There are times when I have to go a few minutes after I just went. Everyone's body is different.

OP: I would be livid if I were you.
 
[QUOTE
Cheers!!!! From one of "THOSE parents" to another.... I also don't give a darn what they label me.... My childs well-being is ALL that matters.

:goodvibes[/QUOTE]

:banana: :cool1: :wave: I TOTALLY agree!
 
To the OP. I wouldn't talk to the lunch lady, talk to the principle. What exactly are the schools policy concerning lunch?

I know our lunch ladies say nothing to the children about what they eat or don't eat. If this lunch lady has singled out your DD let the principle now this too. (have you talked to other parents?) Harrassment is not allowed in schools and let them know you know it.
 
monsterkitty said:
Yep, I have the God complex. I expect your child to use the restroom when he or she feels the need. I expect your child to bring me his or her planner so I can sign it so that your child can use the restroom. I expect your child to just leave the classroom if he or she has an emergency and doesn't have time to get the planner signed. I expect your precious little child to use their own judgement when it comes to their basic bodily functions. I am not one to deny a child a potty break even though I haven't had one in hours myself.

I am such a control freak that I enjoy allowing a child the right to use the bathroom when he or she needs to.

I'm sorry about my God complex. Maybe I should change my ways...


Aren't we talking about 6 year olds here? Sorry, but 6 year olds still need reminders and such. And, saying, "your precious little child" is just rude. I'm glad your not my childs teacher.
 
monsterkitty said:
I am not one to deny a child a potty break even though I haven't had one in hours myself.

While I am happy with your pro-potty-break outlook;

Sorry, but I have heard these kinds of 'Martyr' and 'Self-righteous' comments many times before...

ex: I don't even get to eat my lunch... etc....

ummmm..... HOURS without a potty break????? GET real... YOU get the chance to go WHILE the kids are in the lunch-room... (where they do not get the chance) WHILE they are in P.E., Library, Specials, etc.. on and on...

I simply do NOT buy it... You are an adult... You are the one in control. If you are not getting a potty break, then, guess what??? That is your problem.


edited to add, after reading above post: And, YES, ALL children are precious!!!!!! It is just SAD when teachers throw that term-around in a derogatory way.

Hey, TAG fairy(s), are you out there... Here is a little hint!

Happy and proud to be one of 'Those' moms!!!

or,

Fierce Mama Lioness!!!!!
 
So what's the rule for a pregnant lunch lady or a pregnant teacher. I mean if the kid has to hold it....shouldn't they set an example. What about the role model with incontinence?

I have always hated how children are made to hold it. My girls are pretty good--but when they say they gotta go, that is it. Any adult who got in the way of it without a good legitimate reason (like say, the building is on fire)--would have a BIG problem on their hands.

How does making a kid "hold it" so they can go on the school's terms--prepare them for life?
 
I would do the same thing if I were you. It's our job to protect our children.
 
well all other things aside -
Our school also has implemented a rule that no child under a certain age - I think it might be 2nd Grade but I'm not sure - is allowed in the hallway alone. This was after a small child a couple of years ago decided he really was tired of school, and just left the building with the intent of walking home. Luckily, a town officer saw him walking away from the school building, thought it was strange, and stopped to see what was up. Could you IMAGINE the outrage if something had happened to this kid?

what is the lunchroom like? We have a very small school and there are two paid lunch lady positions at the Elementary school. When the kids are eating, one of them is serving and the other is patrolling the tables, helping to open milk cartons, supervising the wrestling boys etc etc etc. When the K - 2 lunch crowd is eating, there is nobody there to take kids to the restroom. It has nothing to do with a God complex or an intense desire to see kids suffer - just a shortage of bodies.

The PTO has stepped in to help by building a schedule of volunteers. There are several people that take turns helping out -- so nobody does it more than once or twice a year. There are even several working parents that take on this duty...they get permission to have a little longer lunch break a couple of times.

All I'm saying is that before you start ripping heads off, maybe look into the situation a little to see WHY it exists. Maybe you can help come up with a better solution.
 
My son peed himself in K and 1st :guilty: . THen in first he had a classmante raise his hand and the teacher didn't see. After a bit the kid yelled, "emergency 911" (his mom told him to do this) and ran out of the room. I thought this was a great idea and told ds to do that if he EVER needed to. If there were ANY issues I would deal with the teachers and admin. He never had to use this, but the kid that did, didn't get into trouble either.

Just a thought. If your kid runs from the lunch room using the 911 idea, what are they going to do, tackle her?

As a lunch mom I NEVER denied a kid bathroom requests, I always went and waited by the door, they had to have an escort (me) take them and bring them back by school policy, this alleviated the playing in the sink... etc.
 
Here is a good article on this subject:

Using the Bathroom Is Your Right, Not a Privilege!
By Laurie A. Couture
Source: www.childadvocate.org
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Laurie A. Couture, © 2001
Have you ever had to go to the bathroom while sitting in class and the teacher wouldn't let you go? If you answered “yes“, then read on!

Using the bathroom is something that we all gotta do. In fact, it is a basic human need like eating, breathing and sleeping that keeps us alive and healthy. Yet, how many times in school have you been forced to "hold it"? It is very common for kids in school to be denied the right to use the bathroom. Some teachers restrict bathroom use to a certain time of day or between classes. The problem is, what if your body decides that it needs to go at other times? Some teachers believe that kids should have to "hold it", even if that means suffering, squirming and not being able to pay attention to school work!

What about adults who go to work and school? Are they allowed to use the bathroom? The parts of the government that deal with labor laws say yes. Labor laws state that employers must allow workers to use the bathroom. In the past, workers have sued employers that refused to allow them to use the bathroom. The courts ruled in their favor. Adults who go back to school to continue their education are allowed to get up and leave class whenever they need to get a drink or use the bathroom. They do not have to ask permission.

So, if adults are guaranteed the right to use the bathroom, why are kids in elementary, middle and high school denied that right everyday? The main reason seems to be that many teachers want to maintain control over kids- YOU- even if that means controlling your bodily functions. Most teachers want their classrooms to run smoothly, with few disruptions. Some teachers feel that it is a disruption to allow kids to perform bodily functions such as getting drinks of water or using the bathroom.

Many teachers argue that the main reason they have strict bathroom policies is to control the occurrence of kids who use the bathroom pass as a chance to get out of class. Some teachers feel that young people should use the bathroom only between classes or during the times when the teacher sends everyone to use the bathroom.

However, are these good enough reasons for not allowing you the right to use the bathroom when YOUR body decides that it needs to eliminate waste? Defiantly not! It can actually be a danger to your health if someone is forcing you to “hold it”.

The most common health risk is that you could develop a urinary tract infection. Infections are serious business. If not treated properly, they can cause damage to your body. Urinary tract infections develop when bacteria collects in urine that has been sitting around in the bladder for awhile. If you are forced repeatedly to “hold it“, it may put you at risk for other serious problems, including over-stretching of the bladder muscles and kidney failure from the bladder pressure.

A teacher forcing you to “hold it” is not healthy for your intestines, either. Doctors who specialize in problems with the intestines know that it is important to use the bathroom when your intestines first give you the urge. If you are not allowed to use the bathroom when you get the urge, your intestines are put at risk for constipation. Constipation can be very painful, causing intense belly cramps. It can set your body up for difficulties in being able to go to the bathroom regularly. If constipation gets serious enough, it can result in a bowel obstruction. A bowel obstruction occurs when your intestinal tract becomes blocked, and waste cannot move itself along. This is dangerous, very painful, and must be treated at the hospital.

Again, forcing kids to hold their waste is NOT a healthy thing to do! It puts you at risk for health problems. It also causes your brain to start to ignore the signals in your bladder and intestines that tell you that it is time to use the bathroom. If you ignore these natural signals, your bladder and intestines must fill up fuller and fuller before you notice and get to a bathroom.

Okay, so now you know that adults have the legal right to use the bathroom when they need to at work and in school. You know that it is unhealthy for the body to be forced to hold in waste. What can you do to exercise your right to keep your body healthy and perform bodily functions?

First, try to talk to your parents. It might seem embarrassing at first, but it is important that your parents know that your teacher is denying you use of the bathroom. Your parents may have had teachers that didn’t allow them to use the bathroom when they were in elementary, middle or high school, and may be willing to help you. Show them this article and talk to them about the health risks if they don’t take you seriously.

Second, try talking to your teacher in private. Calmly express your concerns. Talk to your teacher about how you are not able to concentrate in class when you have to go to the bathroom. Talk to your teacher about the legal and health issues discussed in this article. If your teacher tells you that she or he worries that kids might abuse the bathroom pass, suggest solutions. For example, if someone misuses the bathroom pass, they must use the bathroom in the nurse’s office and have the nurse sign a pass for one week (Never suggest that that kid should lose the right to use the bathroom!).

Third, speak to the school principal if your teacher will not change the bathroom policy. If this does not work, as a last resort, get a note from your doctor stating that you are free to use the bathroom whenever you need to. Kids should not need to get doctor’s notes to perform bodily functions. However, as a last resort, it works!

You have a right to perform basic bodily functions. If you live in a state where it is illegal to hit and inflict other forms of pain on students, school staff are not allowed to force pain on you- even if it is bladder and bowel pain. If you find yourself needing to use the bathroom, and the teacher will not give you permission, get up, leave class and go to the bathroom, anyway. When you return, explain that it is unhealthy for you to hold in your waste and that you want to keep your body healthy. You may receive detentions or other consequences for this action, but explain respectfully that you are standing up for your right to bodily integrity.

Share this article with your friends. Start a petition around school stating that students should have the right to use the bathroom whenever they need to use it. Collect as many signatures as you can, including from adults who are willing to help you. Then, make several copies of the petition and submit it to the principal and to the school board. Bring this issue to the student council if you have one, or write about it in the school newspaper. If you are an older student, call your town’s local newspaper and tell them about this problem, or submit a Letter to the Editor discussing this issue.

So, now you have some choices the next time your teacher says “no” when you ask to use the bathroom. Using the bathroom is necessary in order to stay healthy. It is a human right. Performing bodily functions such as eating, breathing and using the bathroom is not a privilege. It is a right. YOUR right!

Note: If there is any adult (teacher, parent, caretaker or school staff) that is continually putting your health at risk by not allowing you to use the bathroom; if you feel your health is at risk and if you are unable to get another adult to help you, then you have a right to get help from an agency that protects young people under the age of 18 from abuse and neglect. You can get the phone number for a child protection agency from the operator or from your school guidance counselor.


See related materials:



Health Risks to Children Associated With Forced Retention of Bodily Waste - A statement by health care professionals

Are Your Children Safe in School? - Confronting the Issue of Teachers who Deny Toilet Use, by Laurie couture

University of Iowa Study: Elementary Schools Need A Lesson In Bathroom Breaks, by Christopher Cooper, M.D.

The Medical Risks Of Forced Retention of Urine, by Laurie A. Couture, M.Ed., 2003
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Letters from Parents About Denial of Toilet Usage in their Child’s School
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Forced Retention of Bodily Waste: The Most Overlooked Form of Child Maltreatment by Laurie A. Couture, 2001

Letter to the New York Times Re: "Teacher in Urination Flap", by Laurie A. Couture, February 11, 2000

IMAGE: First graders, Wesley School, Houston, Texas: "One of the school's special aspects is its regimented bathroom break every morning," Contra Costa Times, February 11, 2001.

Return to Schools Need a Lesson in Bathroom Breaks at www.nospank.net/brb.htm
 
Wishing on a star said:
I can't even BELIEVE this completely self-righteous post.

:earseek: :earseek: :earseek:

Talk about a 'judgemental' "GOD" attitude.... :sad2:
How can I be judgemental when mothers tell me that they get up w/enough time to put their kids in the car to get them to school and no time to make breakfast. They tell me that their Kdgs. are "self sufficient" and get dressed by themselves and take care of breakfast. Is that judgemental when I hear it from the moms? I have had parents say don't have the time to work with t their child. I have had parents tell me that they don't care what happens at school b/c school "doesn't matter". They tell me that I shouldn't give homework and that I should teach them everything in school. Homework is given to reinforce what is learned -- extra practice. And, homework isn't much -- maybe printing your name three times or doing a four problem math worksheet. How can I be judgemental when I hear it from the parents? I am not judging them if they're telling me what it's like.

If you came into my class and saw some of the situations my students come from, you'd understand my post. Several are at or below poverty level. The parents of these children are able to send their children to my school b/c of parishoners who donate funds for needy children to get a Catholic education. We accept anyone who has a desire to attend. In many cases, as long as a parent can pay ten dollars a week, their child can attend b/c the priest will just allow the billing to go. Yes, they rack up a fortune and many end up not paying it at all in the end.

I have students who come in hungry, who tell me there is no food in the house. I have received boxes from our food pantry to send home to these families. I know they go home to very little to eat for dinner b/c food pantry boxes last only so long. I have students who don't bring in lunch b/c there's no food in the house. These kids get no help from their parents w/projects or school work.

How can I judge when it's being told to me straight from the horse's mouth?
 







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