McCain Defends the Plumber

[Mr Man]

Good stump speech.

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/199983.html

It's great to be here in Miami. Florida is a must-win state on November 4th, and with your help, we're going to win Florida, and bring change to Washington, DC. We had a good debate this week. You may have noticed-- there was a lot of talk about Senator Obama's tax increases and Joe the Plumber. Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe's driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I'm glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.

The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn't ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn't recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.

The question Joe asked about our economy is important, because Senator Obama's plan would raise taxes on small businesses that employ 16 million Americans. Senator Obama's plan will kill those jobs at just the time when we need to be creating more jobs. My plan will create jobs, and that's what America needs.

Senator Obama says that he wanted to spread your wealth around. When politicians talk about taking your money and spreading it around, you'd better hold onto your wallet. Senator Obama claims that wants to give a tax break to the middle class, but not only did he vote for higher taxes on the middle class in the Senate, his plan gives away your tax dollars to those who don't pay taxes.

That's not a tax cut, that's welfare. America didn't become the greatest nation on earth by redistributing wealth; we became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.

This is the choice that we face. These are hard times. Our economy is in crisis. Americans are fighting in two wars. We face many enemies in this dangerous world, and many challenges here at home.

The next President won't have time to get used to the office. He won't have the luxury of studying up on the issues before he acts. He will have to act immediately. And to do that, he will need experience, courage, judgment and a bold plan of action to take this country in a new direction. We cannot spend the next four years as we have spent much of the last eight: waiting for our luck to change. We have to act immediately. I said it at the last debate: I'm not George Bush; if Senator Obama wants to run against George Bush, he should have run for President 4 years ago. We need a new direction now. We have to fight for it. I've been fighting for this country since I was seventeen years old, and I have the scars to prove it. If I'm elected President, I will fight to take America in a new direction from my first day in office until my last. I'm not afraid of the fight, I'm ready for it.

I'm not going to spend $700 billion dollars of your money just bailing out the Wall Street bankers and brokers who got us into this mess. I'm going to make sure we take care of the people who were devastated by the excesses of Wall Street and Washington. I'm going to spend a lot of that money to bring relief to you, and I'm not going to wait sixty days to start doing it.

I have a plan to protect the value of your home and get it rising again by buying up bad mortgages and refinancing them so if your neighbor defaults he doesn't bring down the value of your house with him.

I have a plan to let retirees and people nearing retirement keep their money in their retirement accounts longer so they can rebuild their savings. I will protect Social Security so that retirees get the benefits they have earned, and I will bring both parties together to fix Social Security so that it is there for future generations.

I have a plan to hold the line on taxes and cut them to make America more competitive and create jobs here at home.

Raising taxes makes a bad economy much worse. Keeping taxes low creates jobs, keeps money in your hands and strengthens our economy.

The explosion of government spending over the last eight years has put us deeper in debt to foreign countries that don't have our best interests at heart. It weakened the dollar and made everything you buy more expensive.

If I'm elected President, I won't spend nearly a trillion dollars more of your money, on top of the $700 billion we just gave the Treasury Secretary, as Senator Obama proposes. Because he can't do that without raising your taxes or digging us further into debt. I'm going to make government live on a budget just like you do.

I will freeze government spending on all but the most important programs like defense, veterans care, Social Security and health care until we scrub every single government program and get rid of the ones that aren't working for the American people. And I will veto every single pork barrel bill Congresses passes.

If I'm elected President, I won't fine small businesses and families with children, as Senator Obama proposes, to force them into a new huge government run health care program, while he keeps the cost of the fine a secret until he hits you with it. I will bring down the skyrocketing cost of health care with competition and choice to lower your premiums, and make it more available to more Americans. I'll make sure you can keep the same health plan if you change jobs or leave a job to stay home.

I will provide every single American family with a $5000 refundable tax credit to help them purchase insurance. Workers who already have health care insurance from their employers will keep it and have more money to cover costs. Workers who don't have health insurance can use it to find a policy anywhere in this country to meet their basic needs.

If I'm elected President, I won't raise taxes on small businesses, as Senator Obama proposes, and force them to cut jobs. I will keep small business taxes where they are, help them keep their costs low, and let them spend their earnings to create more jobs.

If I'm elected President, I won't meet unconditionally with the Castro brothers, while they keep political prisoners in jail, stifle free media and block free elections in Cuba. When I am President, we are going to pressure the Cuban government to free their people. The day is coming when Cuba will be free. I will open new markets to goods made in America and make sure our trade is free and fair. And I'll make sure we help workers who've lost a job that won't come back find a new one that won't go away.

If I'm elected President, I won't make it harder to sell our goods overseas and kill more jobs as Senator Obama proposes. I will open new markets to goods made in America and make sure our trade is free and fair. And I'll make sure we help workers who've lost a job that won't come back find a new one that won't go away.

The last President to raise taxes and restrict trade in a bad economy as Senator Obama proposes was Herbert Hoover. That turned a recession into a depression. They say those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Well, my friends, I know my history lessons, and I sure won't make the mistakes Senator Obama will.

If I'm elected President, we're going to stop sending $700 billion to countries that don't like us very much. I won't argue to delay drilling for more oil and gas and building new nuclear power plants in America, as Senator Obama does. We will start new drilling now. We will invest in all energy alternativesÊ-- nuclear, wind, solar, and tide. We will encourage the manufacture of hybrid, flex fuel and electric automobiles. We will invest in clean coal technology. We will lower the cost of energy within months, and we will create millions of new jobs.

Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 18 days to go. We're 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes, increase spending, take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections, and concede defeat in Iraq. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we've got them just where we want them.

What America needs in this hour is a fighter; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life. There are other ways to love this country, but I've never been the kind to do it from the sidelines.

I know you're worried. America is a great country, but we are at a moment of national crisis that will determine our future. Will we continue to lead the world's economies or will we be overtaken? Will the world become safer or more dangerous? Will our military remain the strongest in the world? Will our children and grandchildren's future be brighter than ours?

My answer to you is yes. Yes, we will lead. Yes, we will prosper. Yes, we will be safer. Yes, we will pass on to our children a stronger, better country. But we must be prepared to act swiftly, boldly, with courage and wisdom.

I know what fear feels like. It's a thief in the night who robs your strength. I know what hopelessness feels like. It's an enemy who defeats your will. I felt those things once before. I will never let them in again. I'm an American. And I choose to fight.

Don't give up hope. Be strong. Have courage. And fight.

Fight for a new direction for our country. Fight for what's right for America. Fight to clean up the mess of corruption, infighting and selfishness in Washington.

Fight to get our economy out of the ditch and back in the lead.

Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.

Fight for our children's future.

Fight for justice and opportunity for all.

Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.

Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. America is worth fighting for. Nothing is inevitable here. We never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.

Now, let's go win this election and get this country moving again.

 

[bimshire]

Is that the Joe that made $40K and is not licensed?

 

[Geoff_M]

Is that the Joe that made $40K and is not licensed?

Nothing like shooting the messenger...

 

[Mr Man]

Is that the Joe that made $40K and is not licensed?

No he is the "Joe" who dared question the "The One"........

Blessed Messiah show me who we must smite so they may be smoten.....

 

[DawnCt1]

Is that the Joe that made $40K and is not licensed?

I don't care if Joe is an actor playing the role of a plumber. Unbelievable!

 

[rentayenta]

Lies lies lies, yeah, they're gonna getcha!

 

[jenfur]

I just find it interesting that Obama hasn't even been elected yet and already he has cost someone a job....how telling

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Sure, McCain jumps to Joe's defense, but where was Maverick when President Bush nationalized our banking industry last week? Sen. McCain: Defending Joe? Absolutely. Defending free market capitalism? Not so much...

 

[fourdaughters]

I'm confused as to why everyone says that "Joe" lied? Have you not watched the video of the encounter between Joe and Sen. Obama? Joe was standing in his neighborhood and Obama came over to him. Joe says he is a plumber and is looking to someday buy the business he works for (you do not need a license when you work under a licensed employer in many states) Joe says that business may make 250,000 to maybe $280,000. He states under Obama's tax plan, the business that he wishes to buy someday would be taxed higher under Obama's plan. Obama's agrees with him and then goes on to say the spread the wealth around statement. What, in this encounter is a lie?

 

[CowboyCO]

Obama approached Joe, not the other way around. He didn't say he made $250,000. He said he wanted to buy a plumbing company that would make more than $250,000. Obama told him things would be better once he "spread the wealth around".

That people are looking into this guys background is disgusting. He's the real Joe Six-Pack. The guy that wants to make it. Obama told him if he did, that he'd pay. End of story.

Looking into his tax records? His employment records? His state licensing? All so that they can tear him down because he dared ask the anointed one a question? The problem for the N'Obama campaign is that he puts a very real face on the American Dream and who will be hurt by higher taxes.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Obama approached Joe, not the other way around. He didn't say he made $250,000. He said he wanted to buy a plumbing company that would make more than $250,000. Obama told him things would be better once he "spread the wealth around".

That people are looking into this guys background is disgusting. He's the real Joe Six-Pack. The guy that want to make it. Obama told him if he did, that he'd pay. End of story.

Looking into his tax records? His employment records? His state licensing? All so that they can tear him down because he dared ask the anointed one a question? The problem for the N'Obama campaign is that he puts a very real face on the American Dream and who will be hurt by higher taxes.

Why is it all about the Obama campaign tearing this guy down? Did you see the front page of the ultra conservative NY Post this morning? It was easily the most brutal of any I've seen. The Post's headline calls him a straight up fraud. I'll tell you this, the media's in a feeding frenzy and this guy's probably wishing Sen. McCain never mentioned his name....

 

[Peter Pirate 2]

I just find it interesting that Obama hasn't even been elected yet and already he has cost someone a job....how telling

Are you kiddding me? It was McCain who made Joe the Plumber a national topic and cost him his job but I guess you're not interested in the facts over there on the far, far, Limbaugh right.

 

[stacyp9]

I just find it interesting that Obama hasn't even been elected yet and already he has cost someone a job....how telling

Pft. Oh please. It wasn't Obama that made Ole Joe the center of his speech last night now was it? Nope, Joe is just another poor sap pulled down by McCain for the sake of a grampa story. {Emotional but not exactly factual}. It's no wonder more and more of his party are running away from him.

 

[Chuck S]

Obama answered Joe's question, the media showed a clip. That would have been the end of the whole thing if McCain hadn't made "Joe the Plumber" the main subject of his debate strategy. And, quite frankly, Joe seems to be enjoying the spotlight.

 

[yeartolate]

No he is the "Joe" who dared question the "The One"........

Blessed Messiah show me who we must smite so they may be smoten.....

You all seem to be the ones calling him Messiah. Nobody else.

Second of all what the heck did Obama do except explain how his strategy might be helpful to most Americans. If Joe the plumber had been honest with his situation, and listened, he might have heard how Obama's plan would benifit him. But instead he misrepresented his position.

But seriously, what did Obama do to smite anybody. Get a grip.

 

[Barbossa]

As they say, bad publicity is better than no publicity. Joe has a golden opportunity to leverage his newfound celebrity. He should start his own plumbing company and call it (of course) "Joe The Plumber". He could get financing in a nanosecond. And while he's getting his license, he could partner with someone who already has one.

 

[DVCKennyD]

I posted this article on the other JTP thread, but I believe it is relevant here as well.

http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001728.html

The New York Times lives up to its glorious reputation today with a hard-hitting investigative piece by Larry Rohter (pictured) on Joe "Enemy of the State" Wurzelbacher:

One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest house outside Toledo, Ohio, and thinking about how to buy the plumbing business where he works. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block last weekend to complain about taxes, he set himself on a path to becoming America’s newest media celebrity — and as such suddenly found himself facing celebrity-level scrutiny.​

Yep, that's why he's being covered in the NYT: Because he complained about taxes. I'm pretty sure he's the first person in American history to do so, but keep in mind that fact-checking isn't really my cup of tea.
Joe's question is what's newsworthy. Their interest in the story has very little to do with Obama's answer.

As it turns out, Joe the Plumber, as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday’s final presidential debate, may work in the plumbing business, but he is not a licensed plumber.​

Did you get that, America? And he dares to call himself a plumber! Of course, it's unclear at this point whether he actually needs a license to do the sort of work he does in Ohio. But still. Hey, isn't this how they caught the Unabomber?


By the way, let's set the record straight: He didn't become known as Joe the Plumber because McCain brought him up in the debate. He became known as Joe the Plumber because Obama couldn't remember his last name after McCain had just said it. (Yeah, McCain mispronounced it, but at least he made the attempt. It's kind of an unusual name.)

His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes back taxes, too, public records show. The premise of his complaint to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts. Contrary to what Mr. Wurzelbacher asserted and Mr. McCain echoed, neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect, they said.​

"Tax analysts." Do they have names? Credentials? Ahhh, who cares!
Also note that at this point in the story, the NYT has done a more thorough job investigating Joe Wurzelbacher than they've done with William Ayers.

None of that is likely to matter to those who see Mr. Wurzelbacher as a symbol of the entrepreneurial spirit they hope to foster with tax cuts, but even Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was shocked by all the attention.​

"None of that," meaning the opinions of these anonymous tax analysts who say Joe has nothing to worry about. Anonymous tax analysts have feelings too, you dirty right-wingers.
And Joe may or may not be a symbol of entrepreneurial spirit. Sure, he says he wants to start his own business in the field he's spent years making a career in, but what does that really prove? The NYT wouldn't want to express an opinion on it one way or another.

Just five days ago, Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, lived in anonymity in Holland, Ohio, a single father who, as he said on national television, worked all day and came home to fix dinner and help his son, 13, with his homework. But he became the hero of conservatives and Republicans when he stopped Mr. Obama, who was campaigning on his street, and asked whether he believed in the American dream. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was concerned about having to pay higher taxes as an owner of a small business.
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He stopped Obama in the street? Holy racism, he tried to mug Obama!
No, actually, Obama approached him. The One was gracing The Many with his presence by going around door to door in Joe's neighborhood. Because Obama is A Man Of The People (Who Do Not Displease Him With Their Effrontery). Joe was in his yard playing football with his kid, and Obama saw a photo op. Whoops. So get it straight: Joe was visited by the Messiah, not the other way around.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year," he told Mr. Obama. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" That encounter wound up on YouTube and led to appearances on the Fox News Channel, interviews with conservative bloggers and a New York Post editorial, all of whom seized on a small part of Mr. Obama’s long reply. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Mr. Obama had said.
​

See, they didn't quote the whole thing! They just focused on the "spread the wealth" part, and the "I want to take your money and give it to people who are less successful than you because otherwise it's not fair" part. As if it's somehow relevant that Obama revealed to the whole world that he's a socialist. Who cares that he looked one of his inferiors in the eye and told the peasant he doesn't deserve the money he earns?
No, those Faux Noise creeps took Obama out of context. Namely: He's a boring socialist.
There's more -- almost 1,000 words in all, because it's just that big of a story -- but you get the idea. Cut to the big finish:

In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio's March primary​

Say, how did Couric vote in the New York primary?

said that his encounter with Mr. Obama had been prompted by his desire "to ask one of these guys a question, and really corner them and get them to answer a question for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance." He added, "He was almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr."
​

Get the picture, America? That's right: Joe the Plumber just called Obama a Jew.
Best NYT story since Jayson Blair left to pursue other opportunities. Clear some shelf space for your Pulitzer, Larry.
P.S. It might be presumptuous, but I hereby propose we change "fisking" to "Rohter-rooting."
P.P.S. The whole "He's not a licensed plumber!" non sequitur is really fantastic. So, if you happen to be standing in front of Obama when he publicly reveals his socialism, what does the media do? Demands to see your papers. That's just delicious, is what that is.



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IMO, Obama screwed the pooch on this one and the polls are starting to reflect it... This issue resonates with people, and having Obama distilled down to this fine a point is making it painfully obvious to many just what an Obama administration will look like.

He can try to obfuscate all he likes, but at the end of the day, ya' "can't put the toothpaste back in the tube". IMO, the whole "spread the wealth" comment is this elections "read my lips... no new taxes" quote

KennyD

 

[stacyp9]

I posted this article on the other JTP thread, but I believe it is relevant here as well.

http://jimtreacher.com/archives/001728.html

The New York Times lives up to its glorious reputation today with a hard-hitting investigative piece by Larry Rohter (pictured) on Joe "Enemy of the State" Wurzelbacher:

One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest house outside Toledo, Ohio, and thinking about how to buy the plumbing business where he works. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block last weekend to complain about taxes, he set himself on a path to becoming America’s newest media celebrity — and as such suddenly found himself facing celebrity-level scrutiny.​

Yep, that's why he's being covered in the NYT: Because he complained about taxes. I'm pretty sure he's the first person in American history to do so, but keep in mind that fact-checking isn't really my cup of tea.
Joe's question is what's newsworthy. Their interest in the story has very little to do with Obama's answer.

As it turns out, Joe the Plumber, as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday’s final presidential debate, may work in the plumbing business, but he is not a licensed plumber.​

Did you get that, America? And he dares to call himself a plumber! Of course, it's unclear at this point whether he actually needs a license to do the sort of work he does in Ohio. But still. Hey, isn't this how they caught the Unabomber?


By the way, let's set the record straight: He didn't become known as Joe the Plumber because McCain brought him up in the debate. He became known as Joe the Plumber because Obama couldn't remember his last name after McCain had just said it. (Yeah, McCain mispronounced it, but at least he made the attempt. It's kind of an unusual name.)

His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes back taxes, too, public records show. The premise of his complaint to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts. Contrary to what Mr. Wurzelbacher asserted and Mr. McCain echoed, neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect, they said.​

"Tax analysts." Do they have names? Credentials? Ahhh, who cares!
Also note that at this point in the story, the NYT has done a more thorough job investigating Joe Wurzelbacher than they've done with William Ayers.

None of that is likely to matter to those who see Mr. Wurzelbacher as a symbol of the entrepreneurial spirit they hope to foster with tax cuts, but even Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was shocked by all the attention.​

"None of that," meaning the opinions of these anonymous tax analysts who say Joe has nothing to worry about. Anonymous tax analysts have feelings too, you dirty right-wingers.
And Joe may or may not be a symbol of entrepreneurial spirit. Sure, he says he wants to start his own business in the field he's spent years making a career in, but what does that really prove? The NYT wouldn't want to express an opinion on it one way or another.

Just five days ago, Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, lived in anonymity in Holland, Ohio, a single father who, as he said on national television, worked all day and came home to fix dinner and help his son, 13, with his homework. But he became the hero of conservatives and Republicans when he stopped Mr. Obama, who was campaigning on his street, and asked whether he believed in the American dream. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was concerned about having to pay higher taxes as an owner of a small business.
​

He stopped Obama in the street? Holy racism, he tried to mug Obama!
No, actually, Obama approached him. The One was gracing The Many with his presence by going around door to door in Joe's neighborhood. Because Obama is A Man Of The People (Who Do Not Displease Him With Their Effrontery). Joe was in his yard playing football with his kid, and Obama saw a photo op. Whoops. So get it straight: Joe was visited by the Messiah, not the other way around.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year," he told Mr. Obama. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" That encounter wound up on YouTube and led to appearances on the Fox News Channel, interviews with conservative bloggers and a New York Post editorial, all of whom seized on a small part of Mr. Obama’s long reply. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Mr. Obama had said.
​

See, they didn't quote the whole thing! They just focused on the "spread the wealth" part, and the "I want to take your money and give it to people who are less successful than you because otherwise it's not fair" part. As if it's somehow relevant that Obama revealed to the whole world that he's a socialist. Who cares that he looked one of his inferiors in the eye and told the peasant he doesn't deserve the money he earns?
No, those Faux Noise creeps took Obama out of context. Namely: He's a boring socialist.
There's more -- almost 1,000 words in all, because it's just that big of a story -- but you get the idea. Cut to the big finish:

In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio's March primary​

Say, how did Couric vote in the New York primary?

said that his encounter with Mr. Obama had been prompted by his desire "to ask one of these guys a question, and really corner them and get them to answer a question for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance." He added, "He was almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr."
​

Get the picture, America? That's right: Joe the Plumber just called Obama a Jew.
Best NYT story since Jayson Blair left to pursue other opportunities. Clear some shelf space for your Pulitzer, Larry.
P.S. It might be presumptuous, but I hereby propose we change "fisking" to "Rohter-rooting."
P.P.S. The whole "He's not a licensed plumber!" non sequitur is really fantastic. So, if you happen to be standing in front of Obama when he publicly reveals his socialism, what does the media do? Demands to see your papers. That's just delicious, is what that is.



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IMO, Obama screwed the pooch on this one and the polls are starting to reflect it... This issue resonates with people, and having Obama distilled down to this fine a point is making it painfully obvious to many just what an Obama administration will look like.

He can try to obfuscate all he likes, but at the end of the day, ya' "can't put the toothpaste back in the tube". IMO, the whole "spread the wealth" comment is this elections "read my lips... no new taxes" quote

KennyD

1. Joe approached Obama.
2. McCain brought Joe's fake status and his FULL name up on national TV, McCain could have just said a guy named Joe and this guy might have been able to slide under the radar.

It's always entertaining to see the right attempt to blame McCain's gross miscalculations on Obama.

Youtube now has Palin telling her supporters in New Hampshire that she loves it here in the great NorthWEST. I can't wait to see the spin on that.

Stay tuned tomorrow when McCain blames Obama for making obnoxious calls to people. Real stand-up guy you support there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/report-mccain-using-same_n_135699.html

 

[segpm08060]

He can try to obfuscate all he likes, but at the end of the day, ya' "can't put the toothpaste back in the tube". IMO, the whole "spread the wealth" comment is this elections "read my lips... no new taxes" quote

KennyD

How did Obama obfuscate? I understand your concern about the "spread the wealth" comment but how does it compare to "read my lips; no new taxes". This was a comment made by Bush 1 before he was elected then he raised taxes after he got elected. It is a case of saying one thing then doing another. Based on your comparison Obama will be elected then he will not "spread the wealth". just askin

 

[DVCKennyD]

How did Obama obfuscate? I understand your concern about the "spread the wealth" comment but how does it compare to "read my lips; no new taxes". This was a comment made by Bush 1 before he was elected then he raised taxes after he got elected. It is a case of saying one thing then doing another. Based on your comparison Obama will be elected then he will not "spread the wealth". just askin

I just meant that the Bush quote was used effectively against him by Clinton and I believe that this particular Obama quote will ultimately harm him at the polls on election day.

KennyD