Max Occupancy in DVC Resorts

[Deb & Bill]

That's not the only factor. square footage, secondary routes of egress, hard wire vs stand alone detection, wet or dry sprinkler system, wet or dry standpipe, amount of electrical, building construction type, and many more.

That's fire codes. NFPA, SBC, IBC, etc. Occupancy is based on the fire codes.

I totally disagree. It will not hit the fan. they won't look for room by room. The FD will look for total occupation. That number will be so far under the max occupancy level that it won't get a second look. If the total a building can have is 600(estimate) the most that will be in there will be 300.

Lawsuits. Some lawyer finds out that the villas are only supposed to sleep four and Disney gets sued for violating the fire codes and their own occupancy limits. With villas normally at 95+% occupancy, why would there only be half the allowable persons there?



When we bought, we were told how many people each size villa would hold. The size of the room has nothing to do with fire egress. It's how you get out of the building. How wide the corridor is, how many doors you have to get to the stairs, the width of the stairs, etc. You can have a room that is 90,000 sq feet, but if it only has one exit, someone it going to get trapped in a fire. Think about that NJ nightclub and the chicken processing plan in NC. Exits were chained shut to keep people from sneaking in or out. When the fire broke out, people could not get out.

I guess I keep hoping that Disney will have the integrity to follow the rules that they publish. And I am still wondering where the "permission" came from.

 

[Dean]

In the overall big picture I can't agree. Again, for every group that has that extra(illegal?) person, I'd lay 100 to 1 odds that 100 other units are being underutilized.

But that's just it. Every 2 BR that has 1 person will be the same whether others go over or not. Plus, every resort is built on the idea that not every unit will be at capacity. The units that go over will still have more wear and tear. One 1 BR with 3 DOES NOT make up for one with 5 and never will.

Oh goodness, when I posted on this thread being the newbie that I am I somehow ended up on the last page and didn't see the previos 100 or so. I've just spent some time reading through and as a family of 5 I would never have bought in had they told me we could not put 5 in a one bedroom. I happen to be blessed enough to have a house where each of our 3 children have their own room, but I am a social worker and see many families living in a mobile home with 5 or more children! A one bedroom unit for a family vacation is PLENTY of space for us! We were explicitly told it would not be a problem when we make our reservations.

That was one of the points I made recently, the guide saying it's OK is NOT Disney's word and actually means nothing in authorization. As Chuck said, it is in writing. Occupancy is also specifically spelled out in the product understanding checklist.

Actually I can look at the overall picture. If we took the idea to avoid any system we disagreed in some areas, we'd never go to a store, have health insurance, etc. Still, I have voted with my feet for the most part. I've owned as many as 885 points but currently own 433 of which I'll rent out most and would likely sell all but 50-75 if the numbers made sense to do so right now. Of the 10-12 stays I've had over the last 3 or so years, only 7 days total in 2 stays have been on points, the rest have been II exchanges plus a free OKW stay through DVC. As for permission, the members own the resorts, DVCMC only managers them. They do revert back at some point but not for a number of years. To actually get permission you'd need it in writing legally up front or you'd need permission from the owners, that would be us.

 

[Deb & Bill]

We had 500 points at one time. We've sold off 175 and looking to sell maybe 50-150 more. We don't go as often as we did at first.

 

[smakeral]

Will a 1 bedroom at villas of wilderness Lodge be large enough for 2 adults and 3 young kids( 2, 4, 6) ? I read they were rated for 4 persons - will Disney fuss about the 5th person?

 

[wdw1972]

The 2 yr old doesn't count - you're 4 plus a baby. It's assumed the baby will sleep in the porta crib, but what you actually do is your business.

Next year you'll have 5. Right now dvc tends to allow 5 in a 1br but tells you they won't provide linen or towels for the 5th person. Personally I wish they'd just say NO - the limit is 4 as per our legal documents. Once Kidani Village opens up and 5 is the legal limit, then who knows if they'll still allow 5 in the resorts where the occupancy is 4.

 

[smakeral]

Thanks - I thought I had read that but wanted to be sure it was ok. or if I needed a 2bedroom

 

[Tomskatt]

Will Disney allow 2 adults and 3 toddlers in a 1BR villa? I read somewhere that the max capacity for a 1BR was 4 but I'm not sure how young children are counted.

zfw4609

What they allow and what is comfortable may not be the same for every family. My kids are 9, 7 and 5 and this will probably be our last stay in a 1BR. The 3 kids love to sleep in the King together ... yes they actually have the BR to themselves and we use th e pull out so we can stay up late and hang out. Now they are getting too "grown up" for this ::::Sniff sniff::::: and we will be using a 2br from now on. Think about your lifestyle and comfort level and make your own choice. Most important .... Welcome home and HAVE FUN!!!!!

 

[dianeschlicht]

Actually, I try to stay out of this thread, but if you really want to get technical, Disney has already "gone back on their word." Their word is in writing, as far as room occupancy limits.

Thanks, Chuck! I haven't been on this thread for a few days, and that was going to be my comment exactly! Both our guide AND our POS say the occupancy limits are 4 for a 1 bedroom. I guess it's not true in reality though. I also agree with Dean that the main issues are with the maintenance strain on the infrastructure.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Speaking of 5 in a one bedroom at AKV...do you think they are going to allow 5 plus an infant in a one bedroom at AKV? We are going down in Jan. and were thinking about a one bedroom to conserve points (we always do a 2 bdrm) since it will only be for 3 days. But, we will have a new baby, in addition to our 3 boys. So the boys on the pullout sofa and chair. Me and DH in the King and baby in the pack n' play. Is MS allowing this?

Thanks!

 

[Deb & Bill]

Speaking of 5 in a one bedroom at AKV...do you think they are going to allow 5 plus an infant in a one bedroom at AKV? We are going down in Jan. and were thinking about a one bedroom to conserve points (we always do a 2 bdrm) since it will only be for 3 days. But, we will have a new baby, in addition to our 3 boys. So the boys on the pullout sofa and chair. Me and DH in the King and baby in the pack n' play. Is MS allowing this?

Thanks!

They have always allowed one infant under the age of three to the room occupancy. So you should be okay with one child under the age of three plus the room occupancy of five.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

They have always allowed one infant under the age of three to the room occupancy. So you should be okay with one child under the age of three plus the room occupancy of five.

Good to know! Thanks for the quick reply.

 

[Dean]

Speaking of 5 in a one bedroom at AKV...do you think they are going to allow 5 plus an infant in a one bedroom at AKV? We are going down in Jan. and were thinking about a one bedroom to conserve points (we always do a 2 bdrm) since it will only be for 3 days. But, we will have a new baby, in addition to our 3 boys. So the boys on the pullout sofa and chair. Me and DH in the King and baby in the pack n' play. Is MS allowing this?

Thanks!

While they may, I'm not as convinced they will allow it.

 

[bpmorley]

Speaking of 5 in a one bedroom at AKV...do you think they are going to allow 5 plus an infant in a one bedroom at AKV? We are going down in Jan. and were thinking about a one bedroom to conserve points (we always do a 2 bdrm) since it will only be for 3 days. But, we will have a new baby, in addition to our 3 boys. So the boys on the pullout sofa and chair. Me and DH in the King and baby in the pack n' play. Is MS allowing this?

Thanks!

I just wouldn't mention the infant. Next time I'm gonna try 8 in a 1bdr.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I just wouldn't mention the infant. Next time I'm gonna try 8 in a 1bdr.

Bad boy.

 

[james'mommy]

Bad boy.

I say you try an shove 3 people in a studio. That would be the ultimate acomplishment

 

[tjkraz]

Speaking of 5 in a one bedroom at AKV...do you think they are going to allow 5 plus an infant in a one bedroom at AKV? We are going down in Jan. and were thinking about a one bedroom to conserve points (we always do a 2 bdrm) since it will only be for 3 days. But, we will have a new baby, in addition to our 3 boys. So the boys on the pullout sofa and chair. Me and DH in the King and baby in the pack n' play. Is MS allowing this?

Thanks!

If properly disclosed to Member Services, I don't believe this will be allowed.

The informal "...plus one under the age of three" went away when DVC began allowing five occupants of any age in a One Bedroom villa. Even though AKV formally sleeps 5 guests, I have never seen anything to suggest that they will allow even more occupants beyond the posted limit.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

If properly disclosed to Member Services, I don't believe this will be allowed.

The informal "...plus one under the age of three" went away when DVC began allowing five occupants of any age in a One Bedroom villa. Even though AKV formally sleeps 5 guests, I have never seen anything to suggest that they will allow even more occupants beyond the posted limit.

Thanks. I will let you know what they say when I try to book. If it doesn't work, no biggie.

 

[bpmorley]

I say you try an shove 3 people in a studio. That would be the ultimate acomplishment

we've done 5 in a studio once

 

[3DisneyKids]

Speaking of 5 in a one bedroom at AKV...do you think they are going to allow 5 plus an infant in a one bedroom at AKV? We are going down in Jan. and were thinking about a one bedroom to conserve points (we always do a 2 bdrm) since it will only be for 3 days. But, we will have a new baby, in addition to our 3 boys. So the boys on the pullout sofa and chair. Me and DH in the King and baby in the pack n' play. Is MS allowing this?

Thanks!

Not sure how often you have stayed in a 1-BR at DVC, but even if MS were to all allow it. We have always done a 1-BR with our 3 (young and small in size) kids and we will be moving to a 2-br pretty quick. Add an infant to that and... I just think you will be really uncomfortable. And the poor baby will never have a quiet place to sleep. Just my opinion though.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

We always do a 2 bedroom and have only done a 1 bedroom once. We will just be coming off of the cruise, so I am not too worried about the baby needing her own space . Heck, at that point, she will probably still be in the room with us at home.