Mass shooting at Fort Hood- Killeen

[Jennasis]

"On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting, "Allahu akbar!" ("God is great!") committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting. "

Today's New York Post

It was absolutely an act of terrorism. I will not condemn the entire religion based on one man's actions. Hasan is a total perversion of the Islamic faith.

 

[shrubber]

seems to be a whole lot of perversion going on............

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

I just heard an interview of an 18 year old being mentored by Hasan, and find his remarks to be chilling.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/...fort-hood-victims-got-what-they-deserved.html

Questions were being asked in Texas this weekend about the friendship between the US Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 13 people in a shooting spree at the Fort Hood military base last Thursday, and a young man called Duane Reasoner Jnr. Interviewed by the BBC on Friday, Reasoner said he felt no pity for Hasan's victims because "they were troops who were going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims".

A tape of the interview, conducted by Gavin Lee of the BBC, has ended up on YouTube and other sites and is getting an angry response from Americans still shocked by Hasan's deadly rampage.

 

[PixieDust32]

Now everybody remembers red flags, as usual after the tragedy

 

[Mermaid02]

More and more coming out- holy cow- I would think talking with known Al Qaeda members would make someone check a guy out THOROUGHLY. I would be so angry if one of my family members was killed or injured.... heck I AM ANGRY!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

More and more coming out- holy cow- I would think talking with known Al Qaeda members would make someone check a guy out THOROUGHLY. I would be so angry if one of my family members was killed or injured.... heck I AM ANGRY!

It's pretty sad.

I know that folks didn't want to "go there" just b/c of this man's faith.

However, it seems that evidence is pointing there. Just goes to show that, it is fair to do a full investigation and not avoid a sensitive topic (his faith) just to be pc.

It seems that possibly being pc, helped kill these soldiers.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I read an article this morning about it. Truly sad and disheartening that the issues were raised prior to the shooting and nothing was done.

"...According to The Washington Post, Major Nidal Malik Hasan was supposed to make a presentation on a medical topic during his senior year as a psychiatric resident at Walter Reed Medical Center.

Instead, Hasan lectured his supervisors and two dozen mental health staff members on Islam, homicide bombings and threats the military could encounter from Muslims conflicted about fighting against other Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A source who attended the presentation told the paper, "It was really strange. The senior doctors looked really upset."

The Powerpoint, entitled, "The Koranic World View As It Relates to Muslims in the U.S. Military," consisted of 50 slides, according to a copy obtained by the Post.

"It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims," Hasan said in the presentation.

Under a slide titled "Comments," he wrote: "If Muslim groups can convince Muslims that they are fighting for God against injustices of the 'infidels'; ie: enemies of Islam, then Muslims can become a potent adversary ie: suicide bombing, etc." [sic]

The last bullet point on that page reads simply: "We love death more then [sic] you love life!"

On the final slide, labeled "Recommendation," Hasan wrote: "Department of Defense should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573547,00.html

On the last point, I actually agree with the shooter. It would have saved lives.

 

[Kim&Chris]

He was conflicted about muslims killing other muslims, but this particular muslim had no problem whatsoever taking out 13 innocent lives.

I'm so thankful this monster lived. No martyrism, no 40 virgins.

 

[Mermaid02]

He was conflicted about muslims killing other muslims, but this particular muslim had no problem whatsoever taking out 13 innocent lives.

I'm so thankful this monster lived. No martyrism, no 40 virgins.

I agree.
And how did he know that no other muslims might be in his line of fire? I think they ought make one up and tell him he killed him- since that is what he didn't want to do in the first place... mean huh?

 

[BeachGirlFLA]

On the last point, I actually agree with the shooter. It would have saved lives.

I agree.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

On the final slide, labeled "Recommendation," Hasan wrote: "Department of Defense should allow Muslims [sic] Soldiers the option of being released as 'Conscientious objectors' to increase troop morale and decrease adverse events."[/B]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573547,00.html

On the last point, I actually agree with the shooter. It would have saved lives.

I may be naive, but what rock was he living under???? The first Persian Gulf War was in the same region about the time that he signed up all those years ago.

Did he just magically think he would NEVER have to worry about it?

The time to do a conscientous objection is before you sign your name on the dotted line.

And seriously--in these nearly 2 decades, umm....he re-enlisted. HELLO!

He again had time to object, by getting out.


I have no sympathy for this man or for his alleged preaching. He was beyond out of line and has no honor.

No--muslims should not get special privileges that other soldiers don't receive simply based on their religion. How dare he suggest a special privilege. Noone twisted their arm to join.

 

[Kim&Chris]

I may be naive, but what rock was he living under???? The first Persian Gulf War was in the same region about the time that he signed up all those years ago.

Did he just magically think he would NEVER have to worry about it?

The time to do a conscientous objection is before you sign your name on the dotted line.

And seriously--in these nearly 2 decades, umm....he re-enlisted. HELLO!

He again had time to object, by getting out.


I have no sympathy for this man or for his alleged preaching. He was beyond out of line and has no honor.

No--muslims should not get special privileges that other soldiers don't receive simply based on their religion. How dare he suggest a special privilege. Noone twisted their arm to join.

Getting your college education paid in full by mean ol' Uncle Sam was possibly the incentive for that decision.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I agree.
And how did he know that no other muslims might be in his line of fire? I think they ought make one up and tell him he killed him- since that is what he didn't want to do in the first place... mean huh?

Good point.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Getting your college education paid in full by mean ol' Uncle Sam was possibly the incentive for that decision.

Uncle Sam doesn't require 20 years. Methinks he decided that one on his own as long as his job was in a cushy state-side clinic.

 

[Mermaid02]

You can't open up a loophole like that for getting out of the service. You join, you take the good with the bad... the known with the unknown. This guy wanted the education but didn't want to do "the job" I hope he ROTS for the rest of his miserable life.

 

[OceanAnnie]

I may be naive, but what rock was he living under???? The first Persian Gulf War was in the same region about the time that he signed up all those years ago.

Did he just magically think he would NEVER have to worry about it?

The time to do a conscientous objection is before you sign your name on the dotted line.

And seriously--in these nearly 2 decades, umm....he re-enlisted. HELLO!

He again had time to object, by getting out.


I have no sympathy for this man or for his alleged preaching. He was beyond out of line and has no honor.

No--muslims should not get special privileges that other soldiers don't receive simply based on their religion. How dare he suggest a special privilege. Noone twisted their arm to join.

I agree he should have never signed up in the first place. He should have known what he was getting into. I don't have sympathy for him. I have sympathy for his victims. He was vocal. He should have been investigated and at the very least discharged. I don't know how anyone missed the blatant warning flares in this case.

 

[4forMe]

More and more coming out- holy cow- I would think talking with known Al Qaeda members would make someone check a guy out THOROUGHLY. I would be so angry if one of my family members was killed or injured.... heck I AM ANGRY!

I agree. The more I read, the angrier I become! Apparently, the FBI was aware as of Dec. 2008 of multiple communications he had with a radical iman overseas.

I don't get why the govt. is not looking at terrorism charges. It appears to me that this was an act of terrorism as well as treason towards his country.

It's been decided that Major Hasan will be tried in military court. Premeditated murder carries the death penalty. Maybe they feel it will be easier to prosecute him in military court rather than federal court.

Link to source:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting

 

[OceanAnnie]

You can't open up a loophole like that for getting out of the service. You join, you take the good with the bad... the known with the unknown. This guy wanted the education but didn't want to do "the job" I hope he ROTS for the rest of his miserable life.

I hope he rots too.

Taking the good with the bad didn't work with this guy. I mean, look who paid the ultimate price. Our service men and women, unarmed, murdered by one of their own. I don't know what the answer is, pay back for the education, penalties, something. I don't know. But I do know this guy was trained to handle stress and he went way off the deep end. I wonder what else is brewing for those that are under the same circumstances without training. It bears investigation. That's for sure. There shouldn't be heads stuck in the sand about this like before it happened.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree. The more I read, the angrier I become! Apparently, the FBI was aware as of Dec. 2008 of multiple communications he had with a radical iman overseas.

I don't get why the govt. is not looking at terrorism charges. It appears to me that this was an act of terrorism as well as treason towards his country.

It's been decided that Major Hasan will be tried in military court. Premeditated murder carries the death penalty. Maybe they feel it will be easier to prosecute him in military court rather than federal court.

Link to source:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting

I had thought the crimes committed on bases are pretty much under the jurisdiction of the military.

He still is entitled to his right to counsel.

I am not sure if it is any different outside of the military though. Is the appeals process different and do they have the dealth penalty in the military?

 

[agnes!]

He was conflicted about muslims killing other muslims, but this particular muslim had no problem whatsoever taking out 13 innocent lives.

I'm so thankful this monster lived. No martyrism, no 40 virgins.

I agree.
And how did he know that no other muslims might be in his line of fire? I think they ought make one up and tell him he killed him- since that is what he didn't want to do in the first place... mean huh?

EXACTLY. Did he ask any of the people he murdered if they were Muslims before he shot them to death? I think not.

He chose his shooting gallery VERY carefully. He KNEW that his hunt would be against an unarmed foe. Coward.

agnes!