Marrieds choosing not to have kids

[TKDisneylover]

Okay child free peeps, beware I have a major rant......WITH HIGH SCHOOLERS!!!!

Last night DH and I went to see Matisyahu (hisidic jewish reggae rapper/beat boxer), he is apparently very popular with the teens which I was not aware of (I should have done my homework!). He was performing at a local music festival (that I have previously mentioned on this thread called Summerfest) where the seating is open to festival attendees in the form of metal bleachers. There are approximately 50 that go straight back from the stage and on the side are riser bleachers (for people like DH and I who are trying to avoid the masses who want to be right in front of the stage) on each side, these are short and seat about 10 people across and have about six rows.

We arrived at 8:30 to get these seats and Matisyahu went on stage at 10:00, when the band started playing utter chaos broke out. Of course you have the usual happenings where everyone stands on the bleachers, similar to any venue concert where people want to stand the entire time. I admit I expected that and figured I would be standing, no problem. But it was when these kids decided to climb the risers from behind and trying to push their way into our spots literally pushing us out of the way that I got pissed! One girl actually grabbed DH's shoulder to try to pull herself up onto a seat so she could squeeze in and stand in front of me!! Of course he told her to get her hands off of him and with the help of me, she went flying backwards onto her boyfriend who was also trying to get up. Now I would not usually push someone, but these kids were unbelievable! Behind me there were three boys who were hanging on for dear life behind me to hold themselves up on the back of the riser. One dude elbowed me in the head and I pushed him back so hard he almost fell off. Mind you this was probably about 10 feet in the air, ***!!

I will be completely honest here, I never as a teenager started climbing risers or pushed my way through people to see a group. We would wind ourselves through the crowd to find an open spot and always said excuse me as we walked through, but we never literally pushed people out of the way as if we deserved to be there instead of them. We ended up leaving our seats early because it just got worse as the kids at the other end of the riser started letting more kids onto the bleachers and we were literally getting pushed off the other side. We stood farther in the back, and even then some of the kids were goofing around amd pushing each other into innocent bystanders. Let's just say that the people who got their beer spilled were no too happy.

Is it me or have these kids completely lost control?! I do remember we had a problem with kids at WDW when we were there in December who would run through in large groups and just bang into us as they went by. Or there would be one of their friends in line and a group of 10 would try to join in the line (thank you CM's who keep an eye out for this!! ). Is it that parents are not teaching kids to respect others or do they just plain and simple not have manners at all!!?? I think the fact that my parents taught us to respect other people was enough that we knew not to be rude or pushy. And didn't they also teach us that in school, "no pushing in line, no running down the hall, etc."?

Unfortunately DH does not want to go back there again, at all. I tried to tell him that we are probably better off going during the day when the kids are all sleeping and enjoy the groups that play then. Of course those are not the "headliners" but it is still nice to walk around on a beautiful day and have a beer, enjoy some good food and good music. But he has renamed it "Bummerfest".

Rant over.

 

[Shyvioletisme]

Okay child free peeps, beware I have a major rant......WITH HIGH SCHOOLERS!!!!

Last night DH and I went to see Matisyahu (hisidic jewish reggae rapper/beat boxer), he is apparently very popular with the teens which I was not aware of (I should have done my homework!). He was performing at a local music festival (that I have previously mentioned on this thread called Summerfest) where the seating is open to festival attendees in the form of metal bleachers. There are approximately 50 that go straight back from the stage and on the side are riser bleachers (for people like DH and I who are trying to avoid the masses who want to be right in front of the stage) on each side, these are short and seat about 10 people across and have about six rows.

We arrived at 8:30 to get these seats and Matisyahu went on stage at 10:00, when the band started playing utter chaos broke out. Of course you have the usual happenings where everyone stands on the bleachers, similar to any venue concert where people want to stand the entire time. I admit I expected that and figured I would be standing, no problem. But it was when these kids decided to climb the risers from behind and trying to push their way into our spots literally pushing us out of the way that I got pissed! One girl actually grabbed DH's shoulder to try to pull herself up onto a seat so she could squeeze in and stand in front of me!! Of course he told her to get her hands off of him and with the help of me, she went flying backwards onto her boyfriend who was also trying to get up. Now I would not usually push someone, but these kids were unbelievable! Behind me there were three boys who were hanging on for dear life behind me to hold themselves up on the back of the riser. One dude elbowed me in the head and I pushed him back so hard he almost fell off. Mind you this was probably about 10 feet in the air, ***!!

I will be completely honest here, I never as a teenager started climbing risers or pushed my way through people to see a group. We would wind ourselves through the crowd to find an open spot and always said excuse me as we walked through, but we never literally pushed people out of the way as if we deserved to be there instead of them. We ended up leaving our seats early because it just got worse as the kids at the other end of the riser started letting more kids onto the bleachers and we were literally getting pushed off the other side. We stood farther in the back, and even then some of the kids were goofing around amd pushing each other into innocent bystanders. Let's just say that the people who got their beer spilled were no too happy.

Is it me or have these kids completely lost control?! I do remember we had a problem with kids at WDW when we were there in December who would run through in large groups and just bang into us as they went by. Or there would be one of their friends in line and a group of 10 would try to join in the line (thank you CM's who keep an eye out for this!! ). Is it that parents are not teaching kids to respect others or do they just plain and simple not have manners at all!!?? I think the fact that my parents taught us to respect other people was enough that we knew not to be rude or pushy. And didn't they also teach us that in school, "no pushing in line, no running down the hall, etc."?

Unfortunately DH does not want to go back there again, at all. I tried to tell him that we are probably better off going during the day when the kids are all sleeping and enjoy the groups that play then. Of course those are not the "headliners" but it is still nice to walk around on a beautiful day and have a beer, enjoy some good food and good music. But he has renamed it "Bummerfest".

Rant over.

it is not just you. DH and I see this everywhere these days. I have to say I was a very regular concert goer in middle school/ high school(still am) But I never acted in such a way. My thoughts were, well these people arrived here before me, lesson learned to get here earlier next time. I never even considered being so inconsiderate to people and pushing them around and such. But we see this everywhere we go lately. There are no manners coming from children at things like this. None at all. Makes me so angry that I knew that it wasn't that long ago that I was at that age and I knew better.

 

[JCandKT]

Thanks for all the encouragement all --- I knew I could count on you!

And as far as the teenager rant.......AMEN!
What is with kids these days?

When JC and I were at WDW in Jan07, there were these teens that were horshing around with a wheelchair, running in and out of traffic on NEW YEARS EVE (read: wicked busy) and slammed right into the back of JC's legs, cutting them up...did they say sorry? No, they just laughed!

It's to the point where i don't even want to go to concerts because of some teens.

Ian McClellan has it right..where does it say you'll be a good parent just because you can procreate? Why do you have to take tests to get your license but any schmo can have a kid?

I know someone who's in her 30's who has a 15 year old. She's still in party-mode because she's young... and she's setting this example for her kid... Case in point, one night she went to a show, got completely smashed, and had to have her son help her to bed...
...and she wonders why he's a punk!

ugh. rant over.

 

[zima-cheryl]

I will be completely honest here, I never as a teenager started climbing risers or pushed my way through people to see a group. We would wind ourselves through the crowd to find an open spot and always said excuse me as we walked through, but we never literally pushed people out of the way as if we deserved to be there instead of them.

I don't know about you - but when I was a kid I was afraid to behave that way. Maybe it was the fact we lived in a smaller town - but it seemed like no matter what we did, somehow word always got back to my folks. And when it did - OH BOY! I think I spent half of my high school years grounded!

Is it me or have these kids completely lost control?! I do remember we had a problem with kids at WDW when we were there in December who would run through in large groups and just bang into us as they went by. Or there would be one of their friends in line and a group of 10 would try to join in the line (thank you CM's who keep an eye out for this!! ). Is it that parents are not teaching kids to respect others or do they just plain and simple not have manners at all!!?? I think the fact that my parents taught us to respect other people was enough that we knew not to be rude or pushy. And didn't they also teach us that in school, "no pushing in line, no running down the hall, etc."?

No - it isn't you. It's everywhere...not just WDW & other big parks.

Believe it or not our local shopping mall has had to put in a policy - no groups of kids. They had the big herds of teens running around, blocking walkways, getting into mischief and scaring away shoppers. Once it started to hit the bottom line $$ for stores they had to do something. Now groups of more than 2 or 3 teens w/out an adult have to leave. They've had to hire cops to enforce it - but at least shopping is pleasant again (well as pleasant as mall shopping can be )

Of course again - if I had tried that back in the day I would have only tried it once! My folks would have made sure of that.

And don't think I'm saying I had it tough or was abused or anything.
Not that I'll ever admit it to my parents ... but I'm glad they were strict & taught me right from wrong & how to behave in public.

What is going to happen to these kids when they get into a real job? They aren't going to know how to behave & interact w/customers or their co-workers? And in a way you have to feel bad for the kids, because it is the parents who are doing them a huge, long term disservice by not teaching them better.

 

[maddhatir]

UGH! Tammy I am so sorry your night was ruined b/c of that! You were looking forward to that for a while!

I am SO surprised that I never had a real problem with teens at any concerts I go to. None that are that bad that I would not want to go- (except! those all day things like you are talking about- too much liquor- too many kids= annoying drunk kids! ) IF I really loved a band and wanted to see them at an all-day- I would still risk it and go.

Maybe we do not see many kids b/c most of the agressive ones are in the pit

We have gotten one or two idiots who will try and squeeze down the row and get in your way, that has always happened to us since my KISS concert days (WITH make-up I might add ) Remember the open floor at the big venues and the tix were "general admission- you would have to line up 2 hours before the concert so when they opened the doors right at 7- you can push and shove and plow your way to the front of the floor next to the stage!?. ooo- Sorry....went off a little....I am back

At our last concert, DH got up to go to the bathroom, this crazy kid all thrashin' around jumped in his spot- I knew DH would handle it when he got back and he did, He just pushed the dude right out of the way DH has NO tolorance for that stuff-

Another concert we went to, this guy wiggled his way near us and proceeded to do the fist thing and wave it up and down in the air- he almost nailed me in the head! When the guy's hand came back the next time- DH GRABBED his wrist and squeeeeezed it real hard and told him to knock it off

My man don't mess around!

Gotta go to bed! Have a nice night everyone.

 

[PhotobearSam]

And don't think I'm saying I had it tough or was abused or anything.
Not that I'll ever admit it to my parents ... but I'm glad they were strict & taught me right from wrong & how to behave in public.

I am proud to say this too...I asked my Mom once if I ever acted like that and she said "You would not have dared" and she is right. They taught me well and I was not abused in the least. I still don't cuss in front of my Mom and I am 36.


Mom, Dad, Thanks for teaching me how to act, how to deal with customers and how to think for myself. I just wish you could teach other people's kids the same things.

 

[PhotobearSam]

This is the most beautiful video EVER!!! I now truly believe that our pets really do feel LOVE for us...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U

 

[stitchlet]

That was incredible! Thank you so much for posting it!

As parents to 3 kitties ourselves, we completely agree with you that they do love us.

Gotta go hug the beasties now . . . LOL! >^..^<

 

[Bill Brown]

This is the most beautiful video EVER!!! I now truly believe that our pets really do feel LOVE for us...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U

Had a similar experience, but on a much smaller scale. I moved out to begin life on my own in '72. A few years later, my parents and sister moved back to the U.S. from Germany. Our family cat moved in with neighbors. In '82 I was in the area and stopped by to see the old haunts. Everyone I knew had long since moved on, including those original neighbors. However, our former family cat was out front and raced over to greet me, having not seen me in 10 years. I was warmly surprised.

 

[maddhatir]

Had a similar experience, but on a much smaller scale. I moved out to begin life on my own in '72. A few years later, my parents and sister moved back to the U.S. from Germany. Our family cat moved in with neighbors. In '82 I was in the area and stopped by to see the old haunts. Everyone I knew had long since moved on, including those original neighbors. However, our former family cat was out front and raced over to greet me, having not seen me in 10 years. I was warmly surprised.

 

[Flyerfan]

Remember the open floor at the big venues and the tix were "general admission- you would have to line up 2 hours before the concert so when they opened the doors right at 7- you can push and shove and plow your way to the front of the floor next to the stage!?. ooo- Sorry....went off a little....I am back

I've just been flooded with memories of being in the middle of the crowd up near the stage and being shifted from side to side. Oh, yeah and needing to go to the bathroom and wnding my way out....but I never pushed and shoved anyone. Ahhh, what memories. Thanks, Madd. I feel young again.

 

[maddhatir]

I've just been flooded with memories of being in the middle of the crowd up near the stage and being shifted from side to side. Oh, yeah and needing to go to the bathroom and wnding my way out....but I never pushed and shoved anyone. Ahhh, what memories. Thanks, Madd. I feel young again.

Hey! Is this your first time here???

 

[maddhatir]

Hi!

Hope you all do not mind me copy and pasting my post from another thread about my last few days

Wed I had my concert! Type O- I told DH during the concert - "this is not just a concert- IT IS AN EXPERIENCE!"

I got some great pics- these are ony 2 of them....

MY Peter! His voice makes me....melt! And plays bass like nobody's business

Their guitarist Kenny can take you to the moon with his playing abilities! And he can belt out a tune too!

DH and his brother took DH's boat down the shore and put it in the water- finally! So we were down there @ his sister's place since Thursday. We came home today b/c the weather was not that great and it was not going to be much better tomorrow.

DH did take the boat out for the very first time on Friday with my 2 BILs.

 

[PhotobearSam]

I posted a rant about Teenagers on the CB...come join in...

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1876586

 

[KirklandTutu]

I posted a rant about Teenagers on the CB...come join in...

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1876586

I don't have a problem with teenagers, just the parents who created them...or enabled them to get to the place that they're at.

I saw your thread over there, made me think about a couple of my students who I had to give an off-the-cuff leson to re. job hunts. They were going to go out together for applications. The first thing any hiring manager learns is that you don't hire someone that comes in with friends or family.

I, however, am not made of thick enough skin to post over on the community board.

 

[Flyerfan]

Hey! Is this your first time here???

Actually, I've been here before but it was awhile ago.

 

[Flyerfan]

Hey Madd...I can see you're a metal fan. Is Type O local or am I just out of the loop? I can take some metal but not all. Cannnot stand the death stuff but can take some Metallica, Ozzy, depends. DH loves it.

 

[TKDisneylover]

Thanks everyone for your comments regarding those "kids".
(Shyvioletisme, JCandKT, zima-cheryl, maddhatir & photobearSam) I think we were all raised with manners, it's unfortunate that parents do not feel a need to teach their children to respect others.

This is the most beautiful video EVER!!! I now truly believe that our pets really do feel LOVE for us...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYbFQFXG0U

This was very cool, thanks so much for posting it!!

That was incredible! Thank you so much for posting it! As parents to 3 kitties ourselves, we completely agree with you that they do love us. Gotta go hug the beasties now . . . LOL! >^..^<

Had a similar experience, but on a much smaller scale. I moved out to begin life on my own in '72. A few years later, my parents and sister moved back to the U.S. from Germany. Our family cat moved in with neighbors. In '82 I was in the area and stopped by to see the old haunts. Everyone I knew had long since moved on, including those original neighbors. However, our former family cat was out front and raced over to greet me, having not seen me in 10 years. I was warmly surprised.

I've just been flooded with memories of being in the middle of the crowd up near the stage and being shifted from side to side. Oh, yeah and needing to go to the bathroom and wnding my way out....but I never pushed and shoved anyone. Ahhh, what memories. Thanks, Madd. I feel young again.

back!

 

[TKDisneylover]

Hi!

Hope you all do not mind me copy and pasting my post from another thread about my last few days

Wed I had my concert! Type O- I told DH during the concert - "this is not just a concert- IT IS AN EXPERIENCE!"

I got some great pics- these are ony 2 of them....

MY Peter! His voice makes me....melt! And plays bass like nobody's business

Their guitarist Kenny can take you to the moon with his playing abilities! And he can belt out a tune too!

DH and his brother took DH's boat down the shore and put it in the water- finally! So we were down there @ his sister's place since Thursday. We came home today b/c the weather was not that great and it was not going to be much better tomorrow.

DH did take the boat out for the very first time on Friday with my 2 BILs.

Hey Madd,

Glad to hear you had such a great time at the show! The pics turned out pretty good and I have to admit after watching the video links for Type O that you had posted, there sure is something about Peter and those fangs of his! It brings back memories from when I was in love with the old Dracula movies, I wanted to be bitten so I could become immortal forever!

Nice boat!

 

[maddhatir]

Hey Madd...I can see you're a metal fan. Is Type O local or am I just out of the loop? I can take some metal but not all. Cannnot stand the death stuff but can take some Metallica, Ozzy, depends. DH loves it.

Type O is from Long Island (NO WRONG- EDITED- they are from Brooklyn! sorry) - kind of local- but not Philly.
Check them out on Youtube! I think if you like Ozzy etc you might like Type O- they have been around for, as Peter says, 2 centuries! But I think it is more like 2 decades- they are not death metal as in "growling" but more death metal as in song titles like "I Love you Death". "Everything Dies" "Everyone I Love is Dead" But his voice and their music is.......... heart stopping and beautiful in a weird way! Once you hear Peter's voice- you will know if you love them or hate them!

I read somewhere before they compare them to the Beatles, The Beatles were the Fab Four and Type O are known as The Drab Four The do a rendition of "Day Tripper" on one of their CDs. and at the concert, they went into their version "Dear Prudence" that took my breath away!

I have a thread over on the Adult forum for Death Metal! I LOVE IT!!!! Lamb of God, Sepultura, etc. There were some people posting on it, but it is back a few pages now- I should bump it up!

Hey Madd,

Glad to hear you had such a great time at the show! The pics turned out pretty good and I have to admit after watching the video links for Type O that you had posted, there sure is something about Peter and those fangs of his! It brings back memories from when I was in love with the old Dracula movies, I wanted to be bitten so I could become immortal forever!

Nice boat!

OOOOO- I have a vampire fetish too! And I cannot WAIT until JD plays Barnabas Collins!!!! eeeekkk *high pitch girly screams*

I can watch The Lost Boys and Interview with the Vampire over and over again!

I have a few pics of Peter and you can see his fangs- the pics are little blurried though- but I will post them! BUT! I have to go to Walmart now .... Can you say......FA-REAK FEST!!!!