Marrieds choosing not to have kids

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I just found these on "retorts" from the following childfree page: http://www.geocities.com/lovelinus1/retorts.html

You sound like a sad and bitter person!

--Hey, you're the one criticizing other people's life choices!

--I'll take sad and bitter if it means sleeping in on the weekends and having some peace and quiet at home! Sign me up!

--So what's your point?

--If you were so happy with your choices, you wouldn't be trying to make me feel bad by telling me I'm sad and bitter.

--If I am, at least I'm not passing my anger and bitterness on to the next generation like you are!

Looking over this site, I'm thinking we divide up the typical comments/troll remarks we get here and put one person in charge of responding to each type! Much more efficient that way :rotfl:
 
I liked the Ten Commandments.....this is so true in DH and my situation. Here are some things we have to deal with because we are childfree.

I worked over 420 hours of overtime last year. Did the same amount of OT the year before. I have never left work early in at least the last 3 or 4 years. I have not called in sick in the last 4 or 5 years. Don't even get me started about how much time some people take off.

DH insurance has a family plan. If spouse works they must get their own insurance from their work (common I know) then DH insurance will be secondary. The kicker though is this....DH insurance is great. They have no weekly or monthly co-pay just the co-pay you do when you go to the doctors. The problem is he has a family plan but I pay 32.00 a week to have mine and then his is secondary. He knows alot of people he works with that have the DH and a SAHM and 3 or 4 kids. His insurance pays for everyone with nothing prorated or anything. They complain about how much health care costs are but are doing it to themselves. DH and I pay $128.00 a month on his "family plan" because I work. The family of 6 pay nothing a month because the SAHM does not work. I think this is just crazy.:headache:

Rant over now to the following:


Ten Commandments of Workplace Etiquette in Family-Friendly America

1. Thou shalt volunteer to work late so that mothers can leave at 2:00 P.M. to watch their sons play soccer, for a mother's time is more valuable than thine.

2. Thou shalt never complain when important meetings are broken up at 2:30 by phone calls from children reporting in after school lest thou be considered indifferent to the importance of parental bonding.

3. Thou shalt take thy vacations when no one else wants time off so parents can take theirs during summer, over Christmas, or on any other school or "family" holiday.

4. Thou shalt not apply the phrase "equal pay for equal work" to thy company's benefits plan, althought it offers mothers and fathers thousands of dollars in perks thou can't use.

5. Thou shalt willingly do two jobs for the price of one while mothers are on six-month maternity and paternity leaves.

6. Thou shalt never ask for a long leave to write a book, travel, or fulfill thy heart's desire because no desire other than children could possibly be worth thy company's inconvenience.

7. Thou shalt volunteer to take frequent business trips to places like Abilene, Kansas, or Cleveland, Ohio, so that parents can spend their evenings watching ER after they put the kids to bed.

8. Thou shalt promote thy "family-friendly" company as a firm that cherishes women because everyone knows that women equals mothers.

9. Thou shalt never utter the words " but that's not my problem" when a parent rushes out the door during the final negotiations of a corporate merger, explaining that he has promised to take the children to the movies.

10. Thou shalt smile graciously when thy coworker brings her three-year-old to the office and allows him to turn the papers on thy desk into airplanes.
 
Hahahah!!

I am actually rather lucky in this regard, as I chose a technical profession with almost no women in my department, at this job or any of the 8 I have had in the past 10 years (yeah, not exactly a STABLE profession!). Most of the men are from other countries and/or have SAHM as wives.

My boss does have kids but they are teenagers, and he is a workaholic anyhow, so the thought of leaving at 2PM is NOT acceptable in my department. I have actually never worked in a place where they put any emphasis on family time... I guess when you get into tech you know that the hours can be long/wonky.

Both my job and my husband's job penalize families way more than singles for health care. Employee only for me is free, and for him is $80/month... Family for my company is $200+, and same for him.

I do offer to take weekend time and holidays, since my DH is in retail and we can never take traditional vacations. Summer, Christmas, spring break is the LAST time I would want to take vacation anyhow... too many kids, too many people. I don't really like family holidays anymore... we wind up relegated to the kids table w/ siblings, cousins, and their babies, talking about diaper wipes and potty training.

Maybe I *am* bitter. :laughing:

Oh BTW... I am looking for a new, more permanent form of birth control. I am currently on Yasmin and have no problems with it, but I would like something I didn't have to refill often and take daily. My insurance covers birth control other than the pill 100%. Any suggestions? I would love to have my tubes tied but at 31, healthy, married, no doctor would do it.
 
Hahahah!!

Oh BTW... I am looking for a new, more permanent form of birth control. I am currently on Yasmin and have no problems with it, but I would like something I didn't have to refill often and take daily. My insurance covers birth control other than the pill 100%. Any suggestions? I would love to have my tubes tied but at 31, healthy, married, no doctor would do it.

Snip-snip for DH!!!!! Faster recovery time than you having your tubes tied!!! Fast and easy! :cool1:
ETA- and I believe a urologist would not have the same "issues" when it came to a guy- than a GYN would have for a woman-- Why doesn't everyone stop telling us we should do with our bodies!

As far as your tubes being tied- It should not be anyone's (doctor) business as to WHY you want it done- Have you asked your gyno about it??? Hopefully your GYN is not a "OB"GYN- I think they tend to be a bit more "family minded" :confused3
 

I am in the the IT tech field. They are family friendly to the men too. So the men are always leaving too at my work.:headache: Someone actually had the nerve to tell me since my husband works the opposite shift and I don't see him anyway it shouldn't matter. HELLO if I could take some time off I COULD actually see him. I give up. They are just as bad to another woman I work with because her children are grown. No need to leave anymore when your kids are out of the house. :headache: If I have a chip on my shoulder it is about these types of policies. I am looking for a new job. Hopefully one that is family friendly to EVERYONE.
 
I am in the the IT tech field. They are family friendly to the men too. So the men are always leaving too at my work.:headache: Someone actually had the nerve to tell me since my husband works the opposite shift and I don't see him anyway it shouldn't matter. HELLO if I could take some time off I COULD actually see him. I give up. They are just as bad to another woman I work with because her children are grown. No need to leave anymore when your kids are out of the house. :headache: If I have a chip on my shoulder it is about these types of policies. I am looking for a new job. Hopefully one that is family friendly to EVERYONE.

That really stinks. It seems if you don't have a screaming brat on your hip and another on the ****, you're not a family. :headache: I also hate how the guys that DH works with usually have the better shifts..early shift getting out early.. more weekends off.. cuz ya know.. wives don't count as family and we should be able to suck it up since we don't have kids. :headache: :headache:
 
wow - it's been awhile since I'v posted on here, and has this thread ever gotten long!!

Thought you would all be interested in the following article....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274726,00.html

This article ANGERED me....I know it's her choice, but really, who is going to be raising her kids? It's not fair to those kids at all....What's it going to be like when they graduate from HIGH SCHOOL??? Seriously, just because you CAN have kids doesn't mean you SHOULD have kids...
 
wow - it's been awhile since I'v posted on here, and has this thread ever gotten long!!

Thought you would all be interested in the following article....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274726,00.html

This article ANGERED me....I know it's her choice, but really, who is going to be raising her kids? It's not fair to those kids at all....What's it going to be like when they graduate from HIGH SCHOOL??? Seriously, just because you CAN have kids doesn't mean you SHOULD have kids...

What really angers me is when girls don't take care of themselves and are popping kids all over the place. One lady at work is raising her grandson because her teenage daughter took off, the father is unknown and than came back pg again! I'm just thinking - get that girl fixed!:confused3 Today on my way to the mall I see a young girl walking on the highway pregnant as can be and smoking.
 
What really angers me is when girls don't take care of themselves and are popping kids all over the place. One lady at work is raising her grandson because her teenage daughter took off, the father is unknown and than came back pg again! I'm just thinking - get that girl fixed!:confused3 Today on my way to the mall I see a young girl walking on the highway pregnant as can be and smoking.

I used to be a waitress in a bar, and you would be surprised at the amount of pregnant younger girls and women (both professional and otherwise) and they ordered a drink..."only one - won't hurt the baby". Well, is that one for the night, or one for the hour? What about all the OTHER "one" times you've drank. After awhile, I refused to serve them alcohol. OR - I would be tricky and get the bartender to make them virgin for me (I also did that with people who were beligerent and drunk and wanted more to drink - by that point, they have NO idea they are drinking non-alcoholic beer!!).

Anyways, back to the point, it should be ILLEGAL for a bar or restaurant to serve alcohol to a pregnant person....truly - I couldn't give a crap about the woman who is pregnant - I'm caring for the child that is in her tummy. I work in a pediatric hospital, and trust me when I say, I have had enough of the FAS kids, and the other kids who come in who's parents were using drugs or abusing alcohol when they were pregnant and now have to deal with LIFE LONG issues. Those are the parents, who, forgive me for saying this, should be sterilized. And honestly, it makes me NOT want to EVER have kids because of all the problems I see out there....and you would be surprised at the amount of parents who just leave their kids at the hospital, hardly see them, and then wonder how the heck to care for the health problems once they return home - and then BLAME the hospital for not properly educating them. Well, if they attended the sessions, they would know. Anyways, I have seen my share of parents who make my blood boil!!!
 
Oh BTW... I am looking for a new, more permanent form of birth control. I am currently on Yasmin and have no problems with it, but I would like something I didn't have to refill often and take daily. My insurance covers birth control other than the pill 100%. Any suggestions? I would love to have my tubes tied but at 31, healthy, married, no doctor would do it.

I would suggest you look into the Essure: http://www.essure.com
I had this done back in March. It was done in the doctor's office & is less invasive than surgery, like having your tubes tied. I go in about 2 weeks for the follow up to make sure everything is okay.

Keep in mind it is permanent, so be 100% sure before going ahead w/the procedure. Also, keep in mind that Essure's info. is marketing - I did find the process and recovery a bit more than they lead you to believe. That said, even knowing what I know now, I would make the same decision again.

My doctor was very reasonable, and after several conversations she understood where DH & I were at and agreed to do the procedure. Personally, I think a doctor that would do it at first request w/out making sure you realized what you were signing on to do isn't a doctor I would trust. This is a big step, so they need to be sure we aren't making a decision in the heat of the moment.

Good luck - there are so many options now days, I'm sure you will figure out the best one for you. (We really are lucky to live in a time where we have so many options & possibilities!)

Side question - what is the "Hockey" in "HockeyKat"? Are you cheering for either Anaheim? Or the Senators? in the Stanley Cup playoffs?
 
Oh BTW... I am looking for a new, more permanent form of birth control. I am currently on Yasmin and have no problems with it, but I would like something I didn't have to refill often and take daily. My insurance covers birth control other than the pill 100%. Any suggestions? I would love to have my tubes tied but at 31, healthy, married, no doctor would do it.
I've been on Depo Provera (the shot) for 4 and a half years and it sounds like that might work for you. I would recommend it, even though my experience has been both good and bad. Let me warn you that my first couple of shots were hell :) Eventually, the monthly visits go away, but until they're completely gone, you'll experience "spotting", aka a 12-week period. Between that and the mood swings, wasn't too keen on doing the second shot. However, I figured I'd gone through it for twelve weeks at that point, might as well go for the second round and see if was the same or any better. Luckily, it got better, and the next time it was better still. By the end of the first year, it was marvelous - no periods, only had to deal with BC every few months, prevention rate is better than most pills, etc. I did gain weight while I was on it, but I don't feel like I can blame that on it because I was already gaining weight before I started on it. I did lose the extra weight and although I've gained it back (about 25lbs over goal weight) I still feel like that's more to do with too many trips to the bakery and not exercising. I have decided to go off it soon because I do wonder if it's causing me to be depressed at times and I think a lower dose pill might not affect me the same way. I've also read about possible negative impact that it may have on bone density, so that's important to consider too. I had a bone scan a year or so ago just to make sure that I was okay (I was fine). Like I said, it has its good and bad points, but what BC doesn't, right? I think it's a great option for any woman who needs a more permanent BC but either can't or doesn't want to go for sterilization just yet.
 
Oh BTW... I am looking for a new, more permanent form of birth control. I am currently on Yasmin and have no problems with it, but I would like something I didn't have to refill often and take daily. My insurance covers birth control other than the pill 100%. Any suggestions? I would love to have my tubes tied but at 31, healthy, married, no doctor would do it.

NUVARING. I love it. I pay almost $50 cash a month for mine so if you can get it free, DO IT! You don't feel it and it is easy to put in - just once a month. If you use tampons, it can move, but that's happened about 3 times in 3 years.
 
I used to be a waitress in a bar, and you would be surprised at the amount of pregnant younger girls and women (both professional and otherwise) and they ordered a drink..."only one - won't hurt the baby".
I want to say that I don't advocate pregnant women drinking like fish, but I do wonder if the whole "thou shalt not touch a drop of alcohol while pregnant" isn't part of the pregnancy fear conspiracy. Like not being able to have ocean fish (mercury), farmed fish (PCBs), sushi (bacteria), chocolate (caffeine), coffee (caffeine again), luncheon meats (listeria), soft cheese (more listeria), and so on and so forth. It seems like a lot of these restrictions only came along in the last fifty or so years even though human beings somehow managed to populate the planet while consuming all this stuff. After all, wasn't beer originally invented because it was a good way to make impure water safe to drink? I'm sure pregnant women in the 1800s consumed their fair share of it.

Like I said, I don't want to see pregnant women drink enough to cause FAS, but it just bugs me the way pregnancy and mommyhood have this hysterical aspect that goes with them sometimes. It's this whole idea that if something has a 0.00000001 chance of being bad, you need to avoid it and if you don't, then you're a lousy parent. I remember reading once the chances of developing lung cancer from exposure to asbestos versus dying in a high school football game. Needless to say, the game is far more dangerous, but schools didn't ban football while they ripped all the asbestos out of the buildings. If I ever did decide to have kids, I probably wouldn't drink just because the risk isn't worth the reward. However, I would continue to eat fish - I think it provides enough health benefits to outweigh the concern. I wish there was more support for parents and pregnant women to make reasonable, rational judgment calls when it comes to making decisions that involve risk and not just freaking out because it's beyond our control and / or unknown.
 
I want to say that I don't advocate pregnant women drinking like fish, but I do wonder if the whole "thou shalt not touch a drop of alcohol while pregnant" isn't part of the pregnancy fear conspiracy. Like not being able to have ocean fish (mercury), farmed fish (PCBs), sushi (bacteria), chocolate (caffeine), coffee (caffeine again), luncheon meats (listeria), soft cheese (more listeria), and so on and so forth. It seems like a lot of these restrictions only came along in the last fifty or so years even though human beings somehow managed to populate the planet while consuming all this stuff. After all, wasn't beer originally invented because it was a good way to make impure water safe to drink? I'm sure pregnant women in the 1800s consumed their fair share of it.

Like I said, I don't want to see pregnant women drink enough to cause FAS, but it just bugs me the way pregnancy and mommyhood have this hysterical aspect that goes with them sometimes. It's this whole idea that if something has a 0.00000001 chance of being bad, you need to avoid it and if you don't, then you're a lousy parent. I remember reading once the chances of developing lung cancer from exposure to asbestos versus dying in a high school football game. Needless to say, the game is far more dangerous, but schools didn't ban football while they ripped all the asbestos out of the buildings. If I ever did decide to have kids, I probably wouldn't drink just because the risk isn't worth the reward. However, I would continue to eat fish - I think it provides enough health benefits to outweigh the concern. I wish there was more support for parents and pregnant women to make reasonable, rational judgment calls when it comes to making decisions that involve risk and not just freaking out because it's beyond our control and / or unknown.


I have a hard time understanding the whole mercury, caffeine, etc., thing, but I have to say, working in pediatrics, I see far too many kids with problems from drinking and drug abuse while in utero. A woman who drinks during pregnancy does have that chance of having a child with difficulties....why take that chance?? And how many of them give up their parental rights because all of the sudden, they have a child with too many problems that they cannot handle? It just isn't worth the chance....and as a person who worked in a bar, I felt it was my duty to refuse them that alcohol. It's the same with pregnant women who smoke....we all know that it damages the already delicate lungs of the child...so why would we sell them cigarettes? The health care system is already bombarded, why create more problems?
 
I would suggest you look into the Essure: http://www.essure.com
I had this done back in March. It was done in the doctor's office & is less invasive than surgery, like having your tubes tied. I go in about 2 weeks for the follow up to make sure everything is okay.

Keep in mind it is permanent, so be 100% sure before going ahead w/the procedure. Also, keep in mind that Essure's info. is marketing - I did find the process and recovery a bit more than they lead you to believe. That said, even knowing what I know now, I would make the same decision again.


My OB suggested this also while I was pregnant with my last child. I told her that this would be my last and she said she'd rather have me do that procedure than getting my tubes tied. I just wanted to know what your experience was like. You can PM me.
 
I have a hard time understanding the whole mercury, caffeine, etc., thing, but I have to say, working in pediatrics, I see far too many kids with problems from drinking and drug abuse while in utero. A woman who drinks during pregnancy does have that chance of having a child with difficulties....why take that chance?? And how many of them give up their parental rights because all of the sudden, they have a child with too many problems that they cannot handle? It just isn't worth the chance....and as a person who worked in a bar, I felt it was my duty to refuse them that alcohol. It's the same with pregnant women who smoke....we all know that it damages the already delicate lungs of the child...so why would we sell them cigarettes? The health care system is already bombarded, why create more problems?


Lemme ask ya a question then... I know an idiot who thinks drinking a couple of O'douls PER DAY is ok while she's pregnant. She's been doing this since she found out. She refuses to listen to anyone who says she's being stupid and her little dumbA friends just tell her it's ok. Any input on that? (I figured you'd know so I thought I'd ask your thoughts on it :) )
 
I am 32 years old. I have been married since I was 25 (celebrating our 7th anniversary at WDW).

DH and I choose not to have children. I have never wanted to have children. Early in our marriage, people asked questions about kids, and we always said, "We aren't having any. We are happy as we are."

I guess they thought we were bluffing, because the questions have been coming hard and fast.

My usual responses, depending on the questioning:
"No, we are not having children"
"No, we are not planning on having children."
"We don't want to have children - our dogs are enough."
"We don't want children - we are very happy with our life as it is."
"We choose not to have chidren."
"We choose to be child-free."
"We choose not to be parents."
"We want to be good aunts and uncles, and that will satisfy us"

People keep on asking, and they don't find my answers acceptable. They don't feel that my choice is VALID?

It makes me angry, but it also makes me sad. I think a lot of people are having children because it is expected of them, and not what they really want.

Any one want to give their input - I would appreciate it!

I'm so glad i came across this .... I'm only 23 and have never wanted children... my dbf is supportive as he knew my position on kids before we got together... the problem i have is the same as you except i get your young you'll change you mind but i can not see me doing this.... at Christmas this year my dad had a major go at me saying how i was being unfair to my bf and I'm not considering his feelings.... is he the one going through labor?... or having a child that is not wanted?.... it left me pretty low although my dad did say sorry it was the alcohol talking according to him the next day..... i love kids in moderation but i have no longing to have one what so ever.... sometime i feel not normal because society expects you to have children .... i dont even like thinking about something living in side me .... i know i will get famed by some ppl for what i am saying .... i just find it hard sometimes
 
I f I didnt want children, I wouldnt have them. Everyone one else will just have to get used to it!

I did want children. When I finally got pregnant I was so happy.
Then I got sick as a dog! I stayed sick for months!
I hated the way my baby felt inside me. I never told anyone.
I thought they would think I was nuts!
 
Lemme ask ya a question then... I know an idiot who thinks drinking a couple of O'douls PER DAY is ok while she's pregnant. She's been doing this since she found out. She refuses to listen to anyone who says she's being stupid and her little dumbA friends just tell her it's ok. Any input on that? (I figured you'd know so I thought I'd ask your thoughts on it :) )

I've never actually done any research on this, but, just to comment, there is a difference between non-alcoholic and alcohol free beers. There still is that 0.5% alcohol in O'douls, and while I couldn't find any research on any of my research databases to say that this amount is harmful to the baby, I would still say there is that chance, albeit a smaller chance, especially in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. I wish I could give you more, but if I was pregnant, I would be reading the labels a little more carefully to make sure it's alcohol free....9 months of no drinking is better than a lifetime of having a child with potential health problems....
 
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