Marital property laws in FL...

BabyTigger99

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Does anyone know anything about marital property laws in Florida? To make a long story short, my MIL passed away in January. She came to stay up here in Wisconsin about a month before she passed away, and the funeral and all arrangements were up here. My SIL signed for everything at the funeral home for her. FIL has refused to pay the bill. Since SIL signed for everything, she was stuck with it, which was split 3 way, (DH and his 2 SIL's). Is there a way that we can go after him for the money? Bill was almost $7200. Just burns us all every time we think about it.
 
I don't see how this would come under marital property, unless you're contesting the will.

I'd say it was a civil court matter, but that it was likely to cost you more than $7,200 to get the money back and a whole bunch of bad memories and heart ache.

It's a horrible experience to put on top of having a loved one die , but I honestly think I'd chalk it up to experience and walk away allowing mom to be buried in peace, JMHO.
 
I'm not a lawyer, but since your MIL never signed the contract agreeing to pay the cost of the funeral it is unlikely that her estate can be forced into paying the bill. Generally non-marital assets are those things which existed before the marriage or perhaps inheritences which specified only one party as the beneficiary. But without a will that states otherwise, these generally pass to the surviving spouse upon death.

Is there a life insurance policy that names somebody other than FIL as beneficiary or did your MIL have a will?

You can always consult with an attorney for a pretty low fee, or sometimes no fee, to see if it is worth the time and expense to file a case.
 
She did not have a will, and she did not have life insurance. FIL was going to pay our portion, since he was still getting along with us at that time (hard feelings between him and my SIL's for a while), but while my DH was in Israel with the military, FIL sent a letter saying that he was not the father to any of them.

Plans were made before she passed, but paperwork was not done until after she passed.

To file small claims in my county is $82, and you don't need a lawyer. I am just wondering if we have a valid arguement to file against him.
 

So she and your FIL were still married at the time of her death? Was there a reason he was not present to help with the arrangements for her?

(Those reasons might matter if you take this to small claims court...)
 
He did not choose to be around. It had not been a healthy marriage for a while. They had talked divorce, but no one went through with it. He did not even attend the funeral. Lots of bad feelings in the whole family ever since.
 
Originally posted by BabyTigger99
but while my DH was in Israel with the military, FIL sent a letter saying that he was not the father to any of them.

MY Dh's brother now claims his oldest & youngest "are not his biological kids" because they both have been in trouble as adults. He also claims that his wife of 30+ years is having an affair with the Doctor(20 years younger) she works part time for(if you could see his wife you'd realize how ludicrous this is) He suffers from depression and takes a lot of medicines which I really believe makes him act and say things that are completely irrational.....maybe your FIL suffers from depression?
 
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I don't know if a widower is legally obligated to pay for funeral expenses for his deceased spouse.

you'd have to argue that he made an oral contract with you to pay these expenses -- and if you have written proof that he agreed to pay the expenses, even if he later told you he wouldn't pay, that would help your case.

You'd have to file the action where he lives, not where you live, unless he's actually in your state to be served with legal papers. for example, if someone lives in florida you can't sue them in NY unless they come to NY. if they're in NY and something happens, and then they leave the state, you can sue them in NY. but if they've never been to NY you can't sue them in NY, you'd have to go to florida (this is an oversimplification, but you get the general idea.)
 
There is only one way to find the answer you seek, and it will not be on this thread. My advice to you is to call an attorney belonging to the Florida Bar. Since she didn't have a will, that causes all kinds of problems. I don't know what you expect to get from marital property though because since she was married things like that will automatically revert to your FIL.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE IS NO WILL?

If you die without a will (this is called dying "intestate"), your property will be distributed to your heirs according to a formula fixed by law. Your property does not go to the State of Florida unless there are absolutely no heirs at law, which is very unlikely. In other words, if you fail to make a will, the inheritance statute determines who gets your property. The inheritance statute contains a rigid formula and makes no exception for those in unusual need.

When there is no will, the court appoints a personal representative, known or unknown to you, to manage your estate. The cost of probating may be greater than if you had planned your estate with a will, and the administration of your estate may be subject to greater court supervision.

MAY A PERSON DISPOSE OF HIS OR HER PROPERTY IN ANY WAY HE OR SHE WISHES BY A WILL?

While any sort of property may be transferred by will, there are some particular interests in property which cannot be willed because the right of the owner terminates automatically upon his or her death, or others have been granted rights in the property by Florida law. Some examples of these types of property rights or interests are:

• Except in certain very specific circumstances a homestead (that is, the residence and adjoining lands owned by a person who is survived by a spouse or minor child up to one-half acre within limits of an incorporated city or town or up to 160 acres outside those limits);

• A life estate : property owned only for the life of the owner;

• Any property owned jointly with another person or persons with right of survivorship (a tenancy by the entireties, which is limited to joint ownership between a husband and wife, would be one of these).

A person may not disinherit his or her spouse without a properly executed marital agreement. The law gives a surviving spouse a choice to take either his or her share under the will or a portion of the decedent's property determined under Florida's "elective share" statute. This statute uses a formula to compute the size of the surviving spouse's elective share, which includes amounts stemming from the decedent's jointly held and trust property, life insurance, and other non-probate assets. Because this formula is very complicated, it is usually necessary to refer this matter to an attorney with extensive experience in this area of law. Also, if your will was made before the marriage and the will does not either provide for the spouse or show your intention not to provide for him or her, then your spouse would receive the same share of your estate as if you had died without a will (at least one-half of your estate) unless provision for the spouse was made or waived in a marital agreement.

WHAT HAPPENS TO PROBATE ASSETS IF THERE IS NO WILL?

• Surviving Spouse and No Lineal Descendants. If there is a surviving spouse and no lineal descendants, the surviving spouse takes all.

• Surviving spouse and lineal descendants.

1. If there is a surviving spouse and one or more lineal descendants (with the lineal descendants all being the lineal descendants of the surviving spouse as well as the decedent), the surviving spouse receives the first $20,000 of the probate estate plus one-half of the rest of the probate estate, and the lineal descendants share the remaining half. Beginning January 1, 2002, the $20,000 amount referred to above changes to $60,000.

2. If there is a surviving spouse and one or more lineal descendants (one or more of which lineal descendants are not also lineal descendants of the surviving spouse), the surviving spouse receives one-half of the probate assets and the lineal descendants share the remaining half.

• No Surviving Spouse, But Lineal Descendants. If there is no surviving spouse, but there are lineal descendants, the lineal descendants share the estate, which is initially broken into shares at the children's level, with a deceased child's share going to the descendants of that deceased child.

• No Surviving Spouse, No Lineal Descendants. If the decedent left no surviving spouse or lineal descendants, the probate property goes to the decedent's surviving parents, and if none, then to the decedent's brothers and sisters and descendants of any deceased brothers or sisters. The law provides for further disposition if the decedent is survived by none of these.

• Exceptions to Above. The above provisions are subject to certain exceptions for homestead property, exempt personal property, and a statutory allowance to the surviving spouse and any lineal descendants or ascendants the decedent supported. Regarding homestead, if titled in the decedent's name alone, the surviving spouse receives a life estate in the homestead, with the lineal descendants of the deceased spouse receiving the homestead property upon the death of the surviving spouse. If there are no lineal descendants, the surviving spouse receives full ownership of the homestead outright.
 
but, Miss Jasmine, it's not really an inheritance question. the OP didn't ask about an inheritance form MIL's estate. it's a question of whether the decedent's estate is liable for her final expenses, whether her surviving spouse can be compelled to pay her final expenses, and whether decent's children are entitled to reimbursement for her final expenses, since they voluntarily undertook to pay these expenses. proving that the surviving spouse entered into a contract with his children to pay these expenses would be a way to compel him to pay the expenses, regardless of whether he (or her estate) were required to do so..

small claims courts, being courts of equity and not law, are the best place to bring this kind of action. but it sounds like they'd have to go to florida to bring suit. and for $7200 it's probably not cost effective.
 
The OP did ask about marital property, which would fall under inheritance laws.
Does anyone know anything about marital property laws in Florida?
 

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