March 7th Fast Pass Experiences

[keith-atl]

I have not been to Legoland but have been to SeaWorld, Busch Gardens, and both Universal Parks.
I think Busch is actually better than its counterpart AK.
SeaWorld is one of the nicest things to do in Orlando. What a nice relaxing day compared to all the other parks in the area!
Universal (IOA in particular) has amazing rides. Spiderman in particular is probably my favorite ride at any theme park.

What these parks lack in "magic" they make up for in other ways. I love Disney but there is a TON of fun things to do in the area that dont have a mouse attached.

They also have a lot better park food =P

 

[magicbob]

I am sorry but I cannot care less what people were calling you over the years on Dis for using late FP, or what you think they actually meant. It has nothing to do with me and nobody called you anything on previous thread as well, yet you continue to reply to my posts with you baggage.

Thing is, it is entirely possible to disagree on late FPs and not to be "morales" or look at someone like he is low life, guess you do not understand that it is not black and white. Continue play victim if you want, who cares. It seems to me with all your snarky comments to my posts over different threads that you just looking for a fight and you are actually the one who cannot let it go.

I have to say that my replies to you are probably some of the least snarky ones out there.

I'm definitely not just looking to fight with you (although I DO love a good debate). And just to prove to you that I am sincere, I'm going to let you have the last word rather than trying to explain any further.

 

[keith-atl]

There are lots of different things to do. My problem is that Disney has very skillfully made it difficult to justify going off-site for one or two days by making their tickets cheaper for longer, while other attraction have also raised their prices making a one-day visit expensive which ALSO drives me to stay at Disney. Universal gets a day out of my family next trip just because of Harry Potter, and probably won't get it again for a while. SeaWorld, which we were going to go to a few years ago, got nothing from us instead because it would have been nearly $300 for that one day. We'd check out Legoland but it's a bit out of the way.

We'd do these things on a shorter, "room-only"-type trip, but with flights going up in price again, I can't justify going for just a weekend any more.

Here's a challenge to other attractions: Throw a bone to Disney guests. Offer a discount to guests that hold a Disney ticket (not sure how they'd validate it though)

You could stay off property, there are plenty of nice resorts that are not very far from the other parks and Disney.

Last year we stayed at the Yacht Club, but every night we decided to eat off property but 2 nights I think. The food was better and as a whole was just nice to get outside of Disney. Car rental's are pretty cheap in Florida and you would be surprised what else you can do.

I think Disney is brilliant in getting every dollar our of their captive audience.

A lot of those outside parks have great deals btw, you just have to find them and check them out.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Why does everyone act like the ride lines are always continuously flowing streams of people? If I walk up to a standby line at a particular point in time and there is ONE person ahead of me which prevents me from immediately boarding...and at the same moment 100 people with fastpasses walk in and begin boarding then I don't give a rat's [butt] about how many people went before me in the standby line that day I now have to wait longer simply because we all arrived at the same moment in time. Would be the same if they all got in the standby line right ahead of me as well (which is all FP is really doing.)

Please accept that it is not a zero sum game to every individual rider.

Except that those 100 FP users were always in line in front of you, they just weren't physically there.

At least they could hit something with the bat....from their cinematic record they aren't so good with their blasters.

True that!

There are lots of different things to do. My problem is that Disney has very skillfully made it difficult to justify going off-site for one or two days by making their tickets cheaper for longer, while other attraction have also raised their prices making a one-day visit expensive which ALSO drives me to stay at Disney. Universal gets a day out of my family next trip just because of Harry Potter, and probably won't get it again for a while. SeaWorld, which we were going to go to a few years ago, got nothing from us instead because it would have been nearly $300 for that one day. We'd check out Legoland but it's a bit out of the way.

We'd do these things on a shorter, "room-only"-type trip, but with flights going up in price again, I can't justify going for just a weekend any more.

Here's a challenge to other attractions: Throw a bone to Disney guests. Offer a discount to guests that hold a Disney ticket (not sure how they'd validate it though)

+1

 

[doconeill]

You could stay off property, there are plenty of nice resorts that are not very far from the other parks and Disney.

Last year we stayed at the Yacht Club, but every night we decided to eat off property but 2 nights I think. The food was better and as a whole was just nice to get outside of Disney. Car rental's are pretty cheap in Florida and you would be surprised what else you can do.

I think Disney is brilliant in getting every dollar our of their captive audience.

A lot of those outside parks have great deals btw, you just have to find them and check them out.

Ah...but I'm also DVC - tough to justify staying elsewhere. And we usually do rent a car. Transportation and lodging isn't really the issue. It's the admission costs on top of it. I have to justify paying 10 times the amount I can pay Disney for one more day to go to Universal or SeaWorld for a single day. The only way to make it make sense is a completely non-Disney trip, but it still ends up more expensive because doing two days at Universal doesn't make the one day at SeaWorld any cheaper, etc.

 

[dpuck1998]

Except that those 100 FP users were always in line in front of you, they just weren't physically there.

 

[keith-atl]

Ah...but I'm also DVC - tough to justify staying elsewhere. And we usually do rent a car. Transportation and lodging isn't really the issue. It's the admission costs on top of it. I have to justify paying 10 times the amount I can pay Disney for one more day to go to Universal or SeaWorld for a single day. The only way to make it make sense is a completely non-Disney trip, but it still ends up more expensive because doing two days at Universal doesn't make the one day at SeaWorld any cheaper, etc.

Yeah I completely understand. I guess if a great deal comes around to visit other parks you can take advantage of it. I know Costco is selling 3 day park to park to Universal for $140 or something which isnt too bad, but I think you can get the same deal from undercover tourist.

 

[KellyNY]

I have to say that my replies to you are probably some of the least snarky ones out there.

I'm definitely not just looking to fight with you (although I DO love a good debate). And just to prove to you that I am sincere, I'm going to let you have the last word rather than trying to explain any further.

Nope you are not the only one being snarky but most persistent in twisting my words.
Sorry, when it comes to snarky and twisting it is not a debate anymore and I was clear on previous thread I do not participate in fights, yet you keep trying.
You know there is a difference between discussion and getting personal, for you it is all the same.
BTW, did not you said before, you will not respond anymore, wonder how long it will take you this time. Not that I care but some consistency on your part would not hurt.

 

[KellyNY]

Except that those 100 FP users were always in line in front of you, they just weren't physically there.

How? I did not join line at rope drop.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

This thread has completely derailed into what got the "other thread" locked.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

Why does everyone act like the ride lines are always continuously flowing streams of people? If I walk up to a standby line at a particular point in time and there is ONE person ahead of me which prevents me from immediately boarding...and at the same moment 100 people with fastpasses walk in and begin boarding then I don't give a rat's [butt] about how many people went before me in the standby line that day I now have to wait longer simply because we all arrived at the same moment in time. Would be the same if they all got in the standby line right ahead of me as well (which is all FP is really doing.)

Please accept that it is not a zero sum game to every individual rider.

While sitting here I thought maybe an example would be in order. You have to enter the every standby line with the attitude that there are several more people in front of you that those you can see.

Suppose attraction "X" give out 25 fastpasses per 5 minute period (300/hour).

If I enter the standby line for attractions "X" and the wait time is 30 minutes I can expect that, on average, there are 150 people that are virtually in line. (25 times the 6-5 minute periods I am there) However, because of the one hour window overlap there could be as many as 450 people that can enter the fastpass line in front of me. (18 - 5 minute time periods)

Over time, however, everything averages out. This can be so even while you area in line, if several people delay their FP usage the standby line will move quicker, only to slow down when these people do show up. The problem here is perception, people tend to notice when the standby line comes to a halt due to a large group entering the FP line but don't realize that the line up to that point may have been moving faster.

 

[White_Sox_Fan]

How? I did not join line at rope drop.

^^^ See above ^^^

Actually rope drop is the only time you won't have FP people in front of you, providing you get through the line before the first FP time.

I can't be the only person that gets this, can I?

 

[P'colaBeachBum]

Could we have some real experiences since March 7th instead of the same group posting the same thing from the locked thread. Jeez..stop arguing already and let others post what is going on in the parks now.

 

[KellyNY]

^^^ See above ^^^

Actually rope drop is the only time you won't have FP people in front of you, providing you get through the line before the first FP time.

I can't be the only person that gets this, can I?

I saw it and once again you assume that it is just one big line we all join more or less at the same time and I was promissed to ride at 3:30 or lets say I am number 864 in line. Then infact I will stay #864 and I will ride at 3:30 no matter how line will distribute, but this is not the case with us joining at different times. I join with particular number of people infront of me with both SB and FP(invisible line) in mind. Now, someone who is not suppose to be there at this time simply extra person I am waiting behind. His turn was before I even joined the line and the fact that line was moving faster at 11AM does not affect me, but delay affects me now. So this is why zero sum works as a big picture, as line management in general but not on individual level.

 

[BBandDisney]

Hear, Hear.

 

[bumbershoot]

I've always equated it to being at a bakery, and taking a number (when explaining it to newbies). And by that theory, if I were at a bakery, and I was holding #26, and missed my turn because I went to another store, I wouldn't be allowed back in line at #58.

You would be, if it was the policy of the bakery to allow it.

Like if you are flying Southwest and have boarding passes with non-sequential numbers. I have A15 but somehow my son got B15. I'm not going to let him board by himself at this point (the time is coming, but not now), and I'm not going to get him in at A15, but I CAN purposely "miss" my spot at A15, and just go stand with him at B15 and no one will have a problem with it.

Oh no, now all those people in the standby line are being adversely affected by FP enforcement.

I'm curious, how much longer was your wait? 5 minutes, 10?

They said "Plus we had the longest wait ever for a FP at that time,". FOR a FP, not in the FP line. I could be misunderstanding what they were saying, but what they said didn't sound like it was the FP line, but the line FOR FPs.

Why does everyone act like the ride lines are always continuously flowing streams of people? If I walk up to a standby line at a particular point in time and there is ONE person ahead of me which prevents me from immediately boarding...and at the same moment 100 people with fastpasses walk in and begin boarding then I don't give a rat's [butt] about how many people went before me in the standby line that day I now have to wait longer simply because we all arrived at the same moment in time. Would be the same if they all got in the standby line right ahead of me as well (which is all FP is really doing.)

Please accept that it is not a zero sum game to every individual rider.

People accept that people's perception is a misunderstanding. Your perception is that that 100 people in front of you has just messed with your day because they came in late. But if they were there 10 minutes before, they would have done the same thing to your overall wait time; you just wouldn't have SEEN them. Instead of walking up to 1 person, you would have walked up to more people, because that group was 10 minutes ahead of you. It's *perception* of reality, not reality.



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Stop talking about flogging! Every time I read "flog" I have to say "oh nooooo!!!!!" And then I remember this is WDW we're talking about, not Universal, and I feel silly. (go to Universal, experience the pre-show room for Shrek, and you'll get it)

 

[Rhongepooh]

I have not been to Legoland but have been to SeaWorld, Busch Gardens, and both Universal Parks.
I think Busch is actually better than its counterpart AK.
SeaWorld is one of the nicest things to do in Orlando. What a nice relaxing day compared to all the other parks in the area!
Universal (IOA in particular) has amazing rides. Spiderman in particular is probably my favorite ride at any theme park.

What these parks lack in "magic" they make up for in other ways. I love Disney but there is a TON of fun things to do in the area that dont have a mouse attached.

What something OTHER than disney in Orlando???? You MUST be a communist!

 

[audrey2580]

Like if you are flying Southwest and have boarding passes with non-sequential numbers. I have A15 but somehow my son got B15. I'm not going to let him board by himself at this point (the time is coming, but not now), and I'm not going to get him in at A15, but I CAN purposely "miss" my spot at A15, and just go stand with him at B15 and no one will have a problem with it.

Do you really do that? I've asked SWA at the gate and they have always told me to take my minor with me in my A slot.

 

[goofyernmost]

As I read through these different posts all I can say, is what I have said constantly since FP was first introduced....KILL IT! Fastpass is totally unnecessary, unfair in many ways and a constant source of stress for CM's and customers. It needs to be given a proper burial and we should try and let life go on without it. Those that cannot stand having to wait a few minutes for a ride are not the only ones that frequent the parks.

I have always hated FP and nothing that has been discussed in ANY of the billions of threads about the changes has convinced me that anything good comes from it except for the few that can use them. It needs to go the way of the good old ticket books. Lost but not forgotten.

 

[princessallegra]

Do you really do that? I've asked SWA at the gate and they have always told me to take my minor with me in my A slot.

Yup!