Make anti-vaccine parents pay higher premiums

[princessmom29]

I don't think to many unvaccinated kids are ending up in hospital. What they should do is make overweight people and smokers pay higher premiums. Those are the people that are ruining our healthcare system. The healthcare cost that go along with being obese are astronomical. If being unvaccinated makes you overeat than maybe there is a point to all this.

Well, i have been overweight all my life and have never be hospitalized, don't have high blood pressure, diabetes, and am not on ANY regular meds except BC, Same goes for my sister, mother, and father.

Eating junk food is worse for your immune system than being unimmunized.

No, no it's not. Sorry. Junk food has NOTHING to do with antibodies for disease.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

What makes a person a great thinker. Reading usually leads to thinking and vice versa. Many people get vaccines without doing either. They do it because I tell them the cdc recommends it. Trust me I know I vaccinate people everyday. The ones that refuse the vaccine usually have researched vaccines and can tell me why they don't want it. Wether they are right or wrong isin't the point. The point is they actually thought about it.

thank you so much for your respect. I don't expect people to agree with me, but I do appreciate it when they are respectful and recognize that my decision came after a great deal of research and thought, and with a great deal of concern over what is best for my child!

not to mention that respect from a health care provider goes a long way. I am much more likely to listen to and engage in a conversation about the topic from someone who shows me respect - and I have. When I have met with a condescending attitude, I wasn't about to bother.

 

[princesspeach]

Well, i have been overweight all my life and have never be hospitalized, don't have high blood pressure, diabetes, and am not on ANY regular meds except BC, Same goes for my sister, mother, and father.

No, no it's not. Sorry. Junk food has NOTHING to do with antibodies for disease.

That great and maybe you never will, but you are increasing you odds. Our bodies were not designed to carry extra wieght around. No junk food may not have anything to do with antiblodies. Eating healthy, reducing your stress, exercising, sunshine, getting enough sleep. All these things will improve your immune system. You are born with an immune system that actually works pretty good if you take care of it.

 

[jodifla]

Again, the anti-vaxxers are their own worst enemy. Their "success" in scaring....uh, "informing" other parents about the scourge of vaccines and trying to get them to jump on their bandwagon will be their downfall.

And you see it is starting....pediatricians refuse to take kids who aren't vaccinated, next insurance companies themselves are likely to start charging more for unvaccinated kids if they sense elevated financial risk....or, if the health care bill doesn't hold up, just drop unvaccinated kids totally.

And if a true epidemic ever hits, then all bets are off. Some states have emergency mandates that everybody must be vaccinated, NO exceptions, or you are quarantined.

If people insist on trying to get others to not vaccinate, states will simply step up and TAKE AWAY the exemptions.

 

[princesspeach]

thank you so much for your respect. I don't expect people to agree with me, but I do appreciate it when they are respectful and recognize that my decision came after a great deal of research and thought, and with a great deal of concern over what is best for my child!

I don't think I was referring to you.. I was giving you my personel experience of what I have seen working in a hospital for the last 20 years. I think you read to much into it.

 

[pansmermaidzlagoon]

I don't think I was referring to you.. I was giving you my personel experience of what I have seen working in a hospital for the last 20 years. I think you read to much into it.

that's OK - I knew that...should have worded more generally, as in thank you for being respectful to those who, etc,......

 

[princesspeach]

Again, the anti-vaxxers are their own worst enemy. Their "success" in scaring....uh, "informing" other parents about the scourge of vaccines and trying to get them to jump on their bandwagon will be their downfall.

And you see it is starting....pediatricians refuse to take kids who aren't vaccinated, next insurance companies themselves are likely to start charging more for unvaccinated kids if they sense elevated financial risk....or, if the health care bill doesn't hold up, just drop unvaccinated kids totally.

And if a true epidemic ever hits, then all bets are off. Some states have emergency mandates that everybody must be vaccinated, NO exceptions, or you are quarantined.

If people insist on trying to get others to not vaccinate, states will simply step up and TAKE AWAY the exemptions.

I have not seepnany anivax people trying to get anybody not to vaccinate. I do think the provaccine people really try to push it on the non vax people who just want to be left alone to make their own descisions.

 

[bumbershoot]

I only read the first post.

Since the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks WERE given the shots, how on EARTH can anyone maintain that people who didn't get the shots are the dangerous ones? It isn't logical. At all.

And in my circle, those who don't get the shots aren't very likely to be treating those diseases medically, so they aren't even hitting the system at all, except maybe to get an official diagnosis. Measles, don't use suppressants, it just makes it worse. Same with chicken pox. Whooping cough, well the vaccine is a hilarious little joke (doesn't prevent transmission AT ALL nor is it supposed to), and the disease is best treated with high doses of high quality specific sort of vitamin C. etc etc.

And the only way people get polio is THROUGH the vaccine shedding...so that treatment should actually be paid by the manufacturers.



I don't give a rip about autism, I just believe in a healthy WHOLE and unbypassed immune system. And that requires knowing the real, true, good and effective ways to "treat", or more often, NOT "treat", these diseases.


So it's a ridiculous premise to begin with!

Especially since so many kids who got all the shots (filled with nasty ingredients that no one would shoot up on their own) ended up sick anyway! Just ridiculous. Boggles my mind that anyone buys into it at all.

 

[princesspeach]

I don't think I was referring to you.. I was giving you my personel experience of what I have seen working in a hospital for the last 20 years. I think you read to much into it.

Gotta ya. I vaccinate people because the gov tell me I have to if I want my job. I also have to document on people that refuse. I am only referring to flu and pneumonia vax. I never give my personel opinions to my patients. I respect people rights to make there own choice. Unfortunately I find to many make choices without too much thought. I wish people would question things more, but they don't.

 

[hsmamato2]

along the lines of OP's article...it's been proven again and again that breastfeeding a child for AS LONG as possible,like well over a year,is best for their overall health.BEST.without question saves lives,cuts doctor bills improves lifelong health. so should those how choose not to BF/can't BF pay higher premiums for that? or is that a choice,while vaccinating is not?
Because starting down a slippery slope of mandating everything based on insurance companies and the bottom line, scary.
I know this isn't a popular thought on this thread, but I'm a big believer in safety for kids,personal choice for families,and the simple fact that articles like this are helping no one except the companies who create vaccines,and the insurance companies who contract their services.
I won't argue online over the truth/untruth of the statements of vaccine safety(or not) but I have real issues with not truly understanding the real motives behind much of our current medical 'knowledge' and where it originates from.
Whatever your personal belief on this subject,it is the same in my example above, and I personally loathe the idea that an insurance industry would have that much say in the life of individual families.

 

[bdcp]

I only read the first post.

Since the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks WERE given the shots, how on EARTH can anyone maintain that people who didn't get the shots are the dangerous ones? It isn't logical. At all.

And in my circle, those who don't get the shots aren't very likely to be treating those diseases medically, so they aren't even hitting the system at all, except maybe to get an official diagnosis. Measles, don't use suppressants, it just makes it worse. Same with chicken pox. Whooping cough, well the vaccine is a hilarious little joke (doesn't prevent transmission AT ALL nor is it supposed to), and the disease is best treated with high doses of high quality specific sort of vitamin C. etc etc.

And the only way people get polio is THROUGH the vaccine shedding...so that treatment should actually be paid by the manufacturers.



I don't give a rip about autism, I just believe in a healthy WHOLE and unbypassed immune system. And that requires knowing the real, true, good and effective ways to "treat", or more often, NOT "treat", these diseases.


So it's a ridiculous premise to begin with!

Especially since so many kids who got all the shots (filled with nasty ingredients that no one would shoot up on their own) ended up sick anyway! Just ridiculous. Boggles my mind that anyone buys into it at all.

People die everyday all over the world from preventable diseases because they don't have access to vaccines.

Where did you get the idea that the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks have had vaccines? Basically, only those that haven't had boosters to update their immunity will get it along with those who have NEVER been vaccinated, not those up to date. If your statement were true, we'd all catch polio, smallpox, whooping cough etc. Who told you this crap?

As a child I had mumps, and chicken pox. My kids never had mumps because they were vaccinated. I survived, but kids do die from those and other preventable diseases at a much higher rate than they do by the vaccines themselves. I almost dare you go take your unvaccinated children (but I wouldn't do that to a child) to a third world country where these diseases are rampant. I'm betting you never would.

BTW, my father was a research scientist and he never, ever would have prevented us from getting vaccines.

You need to talk to someone who survived the polio outbreaks of the early 20th century. And, then talk to all those that never got it because of the vaccine.

 

[hsmamato2]

Our pediatrician no longer accepts patients who are not vaccinated or will not be vaccinated. There are too many infants in their practice who have not yet received vaccinations and they had a scare with a 3 day old infant being exposed to whooping cough due to an unvaccinated child.

Thankfully nothing happened, but their policy is now no vaccine=find another doctor.

what about that newborn being exposed to pertussis from a FULLY VACCINATED CHILD? B/C the reality is most of the recent outbreaks I know of, it was mainly vaxed people who were carrying/came down with it! that is the reality!
So that ped. who calls it a 'scare' b/c an unvaxed kid almost got into contact with an unvaxed baby...sorry, but that is an untruth in most cases.
Whether or not any of this is true, think about it, people! Who would benefit from higher premiums based on that one thing? Think!

and which of you parents who think this is a good idea...which of you is willing to go first when it's YOUR kid who had a bad reaction,but the law states you HAVE NO CHOICE? then what?

 

[hsmamato2]

People die everyday all over the world from preventable diseases because they don't have access to vaccines.

Where did you get the idea that the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks have had vaccines? Basically, only those that haven't had boosters to update their immunity will get it along with those who have NEVER been vaccinated, not those up to date. If your statement were true, we'd all catch polio, smallpox, whooping cough etc. Who told you this crap?

you can check the CDC records online, for those who go to the docs for said disease,it's on record. that's how we know.

 

[sunnyday123]

People die everyday all over the world from preventable diseases because they don't have access to vaccines.

Where did you get the idea that the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks have had vaccines? Basically, only those that haven't had boosters to update their immunity will get it along with those who have NEVER been vaccinated, not those up to date. If your statement were true, we'd all catch polio, smallpox, whooping cough etc. Who told you this crap?

As a child I had mumps, and chicken pox. My kids never had mumps because they were vaccinated. I survived, but kids do die from those and other preventable diseases at a much higher rate than they do by the vaccines themselves. I almost dare you go take your unvaccinated children (but I wouldn't do that to a child) to a third world country where these diseases are rampant. I'm betting you never would.

Thank you.

 

[hsmamato2]

Basically, only those that haven't had boosters to update their immunity will get it along with those who have NEVER been vaccinated, not those up to date.
I survived, but kids do die from those diseases at a much higher rate than they do by the vaccines themselves.

I wish wish wish this were true,but it simply isn't. Please don't ever assume that your kids are 'safe' 100% now. It's simply untrue. You need to understand what the word 'herd' is doing in that term 'herd immunity'.

 

[jodifla]

I only read the first post.

Since the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks WERE given the shots, how on EARTH can anyone maintain that people who didn't get the shots are the dangerous ones? It isn't logical. At all.

And in my circle, those who don't get the shots aren't very likely to be treating those diseases medically, so they aren't even hitting the system at all, except maybe to get an official diagnosis. Measles, don't use suppressants, it just makes it worse. Same with chicken pox. Whooping cough, well the vaccine is a hilarious little joke (doesn't prevent transmission AT ALL nor is it supposed to), and the disease is best treated with high doses of high quality specific sort of vitamin C. etc etc.

And the only way people get polio is THROUGH the vaccine shedding...so that treatment should actually be paid by the manufacturers.



I don't give a rip about autism, I just believe in a healthy WHOLE and unbypassed immune system. And that requires knowing the real, true, good and effective ways to "treat", or more often, NOT "treat", these diseases.


So it's a ridiculous premise to begin with!

Especially since so many kids who got all the shots (filled with nasty ingredients that no one would shoot up on their own) ended up sick anyway! Just ridiculous. Boggles my mind that anyone buys into it at all.

I buy into it because it's the TRUTH. It's FACTUAL. And I've seen it IN MY OWN LIFE!

I had only one childhood disease....chicken pox. Because I had the shots against all the other diseases. My son likely won't even get that, because he has had the vaccine.

My father had the mumps - twice. My aunt- polio. Other relatives had mumps, measles, german measles, etc. They got sick, because there WERE no vaccines.

Simple, factual, true.

 

[jodifla]

along the lines of OP's article...it's been proven again and again that breastfeeding a child for AS LONG as possible,like well over a year,is best for their overall health.BEST.without question saves lives,cuts doctor bills improves lifelong health. so should those how choose not to BF/can't BF pay higher premiums for that? or is that a choice,while vaccinating is not?
Because starting down a slippery slope of mandating everything based on insurance companies and the bottom line, scary.
I know this isn't a popular thought on this thread, but I'm a big believer in safety for kids,personal choice for families,and the simple fact that articles like this are helping no one except the companies who create vaccines,and the insurance companies who contract their services.
I won't argue online over the truth/untruth of the statements of vaccine safety(or not) but I have real issues with not truly understanding the real motives behind much of our current medical 'knowledge' and where it originates from.
Whatever your personal belief on this subject,it is the same in my example above, and I personally loathe the idea that an insurance industry would have that much say in the life of individual families.

The pretty much have total say now, though. They can reject you for ANY reason they like. Could change...we'll see.

 

[Ember]

I only read the first post.

Since the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks WERE given the shots, how on EARTH can anyone maintain that people who didn't get the shots are the dangerous ones? It isn't logical. At all.

And in my circle, those who don't get the shots aren't very likely to be treating those diseases medically, so they aren't even hitting the system at all, except maybe to get an official diagnosis. Measles, don't use suppressants, it just makes it worse. Same with chicken pox. Whooping cough, well the vaccine is a hilarious little joke (doesn't prevent transmission AT ALL nor is it supposed to), and the disease is best treated with high doses of high quality specific sort of vitamin C. etc etc.

And the only way people get polio is THROUGH the vaccine shedding...so that treatment should actually be paid by the manufacturers.



I don't give a rip about autism, I just believe in a healthy WHOLE and unbypassed immune system. And that requires knowing the real, true, good and effective ways to "treat", or more often, NOT "treat", these diseases.


So it's a ridiculous premise to begin with!

Especially since so many kids who got all the shots (filled with nasty ingredients that no one would shoot up on their own) ended up sick anyway! Just ridiculous. Boggles my mind that anyone buys into it at all.

There is so much incorrect information here.

In a recent Indiana outbreak, a 17-year-old girl was infected with measles on a trip to Romania, and when she came home she went to a church picnic attended by about 500 people. Of that group, 35 were unvaccinated. Three people out of 465 vaccinated got measles, while 31 out of the 35 who were unvaccinated contracted the disease.

That makes the vaccinated infection rate 0.006%. The unvaccinated infection rate 86%.

Before the introduction of the measles vaccine in 1963, as many as 500 children died each year from the measles, and nearly 50,000 were hospitalized annually in the United States because of the virus.

*http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/637218.html

Again, there are reasons not to vaccinate. Getting back to previous point: Even if I don't agree with someone, I respect a well researched and critically thought out opinion. But I don't think enough people seek out the whole story, and then go on to ignore any evidence that contradicts their views, which is not something to praise as "higher intelligence."

 

[Geoff_M]

Since the majority of people who get sick in outbreaks WERE given the shots, how on EARTH can anyone maintain that people who didn't get the shots are the dangerous ones? It isn't logical. At all.

Not true at all. Usually the unvaccinated are over-represented in the percentage of cases. Don't take the 2010 California Pertussis outbreak and apply it to other outbreaks. Here's a perfect counter-example:

Published in Pediatrics this month is a paper that looked at the effect of vaccine refusers on laboratory confirmed (PCR or cultures) pertussis in Colorado (13). They had 158 cases of pertussis in the Kaiser system between 1996 and 2007.

Infected children were significantly more likely to have parents who refused vaccinations (11.5%) than the controls (0.5%). The difference translated to a 22.8-fold increased risk of pertussis in the unvaccinated children.

At the time in Colorado, vaccination refusal was less than 1%, but they accounted for 11% of the cases of pertussis. That’s not surprising. With a bacterial disease like pertussis, a small slip in the vaccine rate can lead to a big jump in disease.

I recall seeing similar stats in the recent California measles outbreaks too.

And in my circle, those who don't get the shots aren't very likely to be treating those diseases medically, so they aren't even hitting the system at all, except maybe to get an official diagnosis. Measles, don't use suppressants, it just makes it worse. Same with chicken pox. Whooping cough, well the vaccine is a hilarious little joke (doesn't prevent transmission AT ALL nor is it supposed to), and the disease is best treated with high doses of high quality specific sort of vitamin C. etc etc.

Measles, Whooping Cough, Tetanus, Reubella, Hib, etc. "Don't worry, be happy and take some Vitamin C!" Wow... In the 2010 California Whooping Cough outbreak the illness was fatal in 1.4% of infected infants less than 3 months old (too young to vaccinate).

And the only way people get polio is THROUGH the vaccine shedding...so that treatment should actually be paid by the manufacturers.

The only polio vaccine on the schedule in the US since 2000 is the IPV vaccine. Go Google it and learn what the "I" stands for. On top of that, polio is still very much "in the wild" in other parts of the world.

I don't give a rip about autism, I just believe in a healthy WHOLE and unbypassed immune system.

You honestly have no clue how vaccines work, do you? If you had even a clue you wouldn't utter something like what you did on the end of that sentence

 

[hsmamato2]

yup- they do have too much say already,and we're all paying a terrible price. There is a multi-billion dollar industry behind our 'medical' care....and I think more thought,and less blind following is needed.