Major Budget Buster - HEALTHCARE

[BoogasMom]

A simple google search would help you find what you are looking for.

http://www.healthcareproblems.org/category/patient-statements

In fact, there is an entire website devoted to anectodal "data" about the healthy care problem in this country.

And this link is a site where people post anonymous statements. Anyone can get on there and post their "situation" and have absolutely no credibility.

 

[SaraJayne]

Since my links are not meeting your criteria, I would again suggest a simple google search for the info you are looking for.

 

[brunette8706]

Per percentage of GNI (gross national income), the US ranks 19th in the world. Sweden is number one.

Per absolute amount of dollars, the US is number one.

Most Generous Countries in 2008 as donation per citizen in 2008 (report July 2010)
The GHA July 2010 report also lists countries ranked by generosity as donation per citizen from data collected in 2008.[6]

1. Luxembourg - $114/citizen
2. Norway - $96/citizen
3. Sweden - $66/citizen
4. Ireland - $66/citizen
5. Kuwait - $33/citizen
6. Saudi Arabia - $29/citizen
7. United Arab Emirates - $25/citizen
8. United Kingdom - $17/citizen
9. United States - $14/citizen
10. Germany - $9/citizen


For other info... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_charitable_countries

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Oh WOW! Just WOW! Do you really hate the United States that much!? Let's see, what country is always there when you need them? Saudi Arabia? LMAO! Are you serious? LOL! And further, Wikipedia is not a credible source.

You have presented nothing of substantial substance. Your rebutal is nothing more than a strawman argument. Full of "nothing" really.

 

[brunette8706]

Seriously??? Do you ever read a newspaper?


The truth is you can get emergency healthcare in this country. If you are in imminent danger of dying, they will patch you up without you having to pay first.

But that doesn't give you access to the medicine you need afterward to survive. Or to chemo, or radiation, or any other long term care.

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So why should we as US citizens pay for eh hem, 40 million people that do not have health care? And you have yet to answer my question about your statistical data on the previous page. I'm still waiting for you to quantify your post..

 

[jodifla]

After 5 minutes of lookiing, stories of the uninsured:


Poor turned away from free cancer screenings
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34396026/ns/health-cancer/

Many Oklahomans struggle to get by without health insurance

http://newsok.com/many-struggle-to-get-by-without-health-insurance/article/3499600#ixzz11ywq8X9o



The young trying to cope without insurance
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/18/nyregion/18insure.html

Medical bills lead to bankruptcy, even with insurance
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html

45,000 Deaths linked to lack of health insurance
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

 

[jodifla]

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So why should we as US citizens pay for eh hem, 40 million people that do not have health care? And you have yet to answer my question about your statistical data on the previous page. I'm still waiting for you to quantify your post..

We pay for the uninsured anyway, at exorbitant prices, when they hit the emergency rooms instead of getting proper preventative care.

But your mind is made up, and no amount of actual facts will dissuade you.

And now they are saying it's 50 million without insurance.

 

[brunette8706]

Per percentage of GNI (gross national income), the US ranks 19th in the world. Sweden is number one.

Per absolute amount of dollars, the US is number one.

Most Generous Countries in 2008 as donation per citizen in 2008 (report July 2010)
The GHA July 2010 report also lists countries ranked by generosity as donation per citizen from data collected in 2008.[6]

1. Luxembourg - $114/citizen
2. Norway - $96/citizen
3. Sweden - $66/citizen
4. Ireland - $66/citizen
5. Kuwait - $33/citizen
6. Saudi Arabia - $29/citizen
7. United Arab Emirates - $25/citizen
8. United Kingdom - $17/citizen
9. United States - $14/citizen
10. Germany - $9/citizen


For other info... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_charitable_countries

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Boy, YOU really know how to skew Information. It looks like you gasp...forgo the very first paragraph of YOUR link stating that USA was the FIRST in the WORLD to donate to charitable organizations! But, you totally skip over it's relavence, and instead post about the USA being 19th on the bottom of the list!

from YOUR website:

To qualify as official development assistance (ODA), a contribution must contain three elements: 1.) be undertaken by the official sector (that is, a government or government agency); 2.) with promotion of economic development and welfare as the main objective; and 3.) at concessional financial terms (that is, with favorable loan terms.) Thus, by definition, ODA does not include private donations.

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the countries giving the highest amounts of money (in absolute terms) are as follows:[1]

1. United States - $28.67 billion
2. France - $12.43 billion
3. Germany - $11.98 billion
4. United Kingdom - $11.50 billion
5. Japan - $9.48 billion
6. Spain - $6.57 billion
7. Netherlands - $6.43 billion
8. Sweden - $4.55 billion
9. Norway - $4.09 billion
10. Canada - $4.01 billion
11. Italy - $3.31 billion
12. Denmark - $2.81 billion
13. Australia - $2.76 billion
14. Belgium - $2.60 billion
15. Switzerland - $2.31 billion
16. Finland - $1.29 billion
17. Austria - $1.15 billion
18. Ireland - $1.00 billion
19. South Korea - $0.82 billion
20. Greece - $0.61 billion
21. Portugal - $0.51 billion
22. Luxembourg - $0.40 billion
23. New Zealand - $0.31 billion

 

[brunette8706]

A simple google search would help you find what you are looking for.

http://www.healthcareproblems.org/category/patient-statements

In fact, there is an entire website devoted to anectodal "data" about the healthy care problem in this country.

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I really can't take you seriously. That website you posted are comments from people regarding their lack of health care. Anyone can write a comment on that site. LOL!

 

[SaraJayne]

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Boy, YOU really know how to skew Information. It looks like you gasp...forgo the very first paragraph your YOUR link stating that USA was the FIRST in the WORLD to donate to charitble organizations! But, you totally skip over it's relavance, and instead post about the USA being 19th on the bottom of the list!

from YOUR website:

To qualify as official development assistance (ODA), a contribution must contain three elements: 1.) be undertaken by the official sector (that is, a government or government agency); 2.) with promotion of economic development and welfare as the main objective; and 3.) at concessional financial terms (that is, with favorable loan terms.) Thus, by definition, ODA does not include private donations.

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the countries giving the highest amounts of money (in absolute terms) are as follows:[1]

1. United States - $28.67 billion
2. France - $12.43 billion
3. Germany - $11.98 billion
4. United Kingdom - $11.50 billion
5. Japan - $9.48 billion
6. Spain - $6.57 billion
7. Netherlands - $6.43 billion
8. Sweden - $4.55 billion
9. Norway - $4.09 billion
10. Canada - $4.01 billion
11. Italy - $3.31 billion
12. Denmark - $2.81 billion
13. Australia - $2.76 billion
14. Belgium - $2.60 billion
15. Switzerland - $2.31 billion
16. Finland - $1.29 billion
17. Austria - $1.15 billion
18. Ireland - $1.00 billion
19. South Korea - $0.82 billion
20. Greece - $0.61 billion
21. Portugal - $0.51 billion
22. Luxembourg - $0.40 billion
23. New Zealand - $0.31 billion

You may want to actually read my post instead of skimming.

From my post

Per absolute amount of dollars, the US is number one.

And I can't take anyone seriously that believes all it takes to solve the healthcare problems in this country is to get a job at Walmart.

 

[brunette8706]

You may want to actually read my post instead of skimming.

From my post



And I can't take anyone seriously that believes all it takes to solve the healthcare problems in this country is to get a job at Walmart.

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I did read your post. You made light of what I stated that the USA is #1 in giving to charitible contributions. Instead YOU cut and pasted that we were #19 on the list. Heck YOU made sure to cut and paste that out for everyone to see. Yes, I saw your small one liner, but your post was skewed, as with the rest of your posts on this thread. You can not even post credible links.

Further, I did not state once in my argument that getting job at Walmart would solve the health care crisis. What I did say, and read carefully,....If people are NOT insured they should get a job at WALMART to get insurance. Walmart will insure you if you work for them. Once again, why should the middle class American's pay for EVERYONE else's healthcare? Government should stay out of the health care business. I'm all for LESS GOVERNMENT not more! Seriously, you have to read what people write, please don't spin this to your own agenda, it makes YOU look foolish.

 

[Planogirl]

The United States would logically give more than some nations since it's much bigger. I think that all of these numbers are distorted.

Also, I saw a claim recently that it can take two years to be insured by Wal-Mart. If true, that's outrageous. Besides Wal-Mart can't hire all 50 million. (Tongue in cheek on that one!)

 

[crostorfer]

I have to disagree. Greed is the worst thing to happen to health care.

I was about to say that insurance companies are the worst thing to happen to healthcare, but I think "greed" fits in there just as nice.

 

[BoogasMom]

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I did read your post. You made light of what I stated that the USA is #1 in giving to charitible contributions. Instead YOU cut and pasted that we were #19 on the list. Heck YOU made sure to cut and paste that out for everyone to see. Yes, I saw your small one liner, but your post was skewed, as with the rest of your posts on this thread. You can not even post credible links.

Further, I did not state once in my argument that getting job at Walmart would solve the health care crisis. What I did say, and read carefully,....If people are NOT insured they should get a job at WALMART to get insurance. Walmart will insure you if you work for them. Once again, why should the middle class American's pay for EVERYONE else's healthcare? Government should stay out of the health care business. I'm all for LESS GOVERNMENT not more! Seriously, you have to read what people write, please don't spin this to your own agenda, it makes YOU look foolish.

 

[Poohbear5]

Count us amongst those who are getting royally screwed by healthcare "reform". For the past 25 years, we've had excellent insurance, mostly paid for by our employer. As of Jan. 1, our premium is jumping 30%. We now have a $6,000 deductible instead of our $20 co-pay.

With a chronic illness and no savings, we will have to finance the entire $6,000 on our credit card, which thanks to credit card "reform" last year, our interest rate went from 9% to 19%.

That's some change I could have done without..

 

[RockAndRollBallerina]

We pay for the uninsured anyway, at exorbitant prices, when they hit the emergency rooms instead of getting proper preventative care.

Even when people do seek out preventative care things still happen, you could have a textbook physical and one month later or weeks later end up in an emergency room needing urgent care for something that all of a sudden reared its ugly head. So blame it on the lack of preventative care if you want, but even physicals are not always accurate even when you hear from a doctor that everything is A okay. Unless a person sees a specialist in each area of medical practice there is no way everything will be caught.

 

[JaymeC]

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I did read your post. You made light of what I stated that the USA is #1 in giving to charitible contributions. Instead YOU cut and pasted that we were #19 on the list. Heck YOU made sure to cut and paste that out for everyone to see. Yes, I saw your small one liner, but your post was skewed, as with the rest of your posts on this thread. You can not even post credible links.

Further, I did not state once in my argument that getting job at Walmart would solve the health care crisis. What I did say, and read carefully,....If people are NOT insured they should get a job at WALMART to get insurance. Walmart will insure you if you work for them. Once again, why should the middle class American's pay for EVERYONE else's healthcare? Government should stay out of the health care business. I'm all for LESS GOVERNMENT not more! Seriously, you have to read what people write, please don't spin this to your own agenda, it makes YOU look foolish.

The accountant in me (that can't get hired at wal-mart!) just can't let your numbers issue go.

Do you expect that say Rhode Island would have the same amount of donations monetarily as Texas? You do know that the US as a country is HUGE compared to most countries, which are closer to the size of states, right? So while we ARE generous and we can also argue in how much we give through the government as well, by that chart we aren't the most generous. There are those more giving out there.

I'm a libertarian by nature. I'm ALL for less government. But you have to understand that sometimes there NEEDS to be a level of compromise.

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

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I did read your post. You made light of what I stated that the USA is #1 in giving to charitible contributions. Instead YOU cut and pasted that we were #19 on the list. Heck YOU made sure to cut and paste that out for everyone to see. Yes, I saw your small one liner, but your post was skewed, as with the rest of your posts on this thread. You can not even post credible links.

Seriously, you have to read what people write, please don't spin this to your own agenda, it makes YOU look foolish.

Please note the bolded - you look foolish by arguing the facts, that per capital the US ranks 19th in giving!

 

[SaraJayne]

Please note the bolded - you look foolish by arguing the facts, that per capital the US ranks 19th in giving!

Yes, it does, but pointing that out somehow makes me un-American.

 

[hugabearjo]

Mine jumped $214, this year... this isn't even a year I turn a magical age older.... and our coverage is much worse.... I am paying $659 for myself and my three children.... I don't know how to keep it but can't be without it based on a child with illness.

I only think it will get worse instead of better unfortunately

 

[Colleen27]

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Who brought up "Africa and Indonesia??? That is not what we are discussing.

There is MORE generosity and philantropy in this country than in any other in the world, THAT's A FACT!! I am growing tired of the blame USA crowd spouting off of how we don't "do enough". That is utter nonsense. DH and I pay more than the median income of this country in taxes. It is individuals who feel that we should pay more to "even the playing field" when at the end of the day, if those receiving the benefits of our hard earned income, I take serious issue with that.

To claim the rest of the world is "socialistic" is devoid of fact and carelessly stated. Let me ask you, do you have a comprehension of what the Constitution of the United States proclaimates as law? Do you understand "why" our founding fathers felt it necessary to create a document that defines a capitalist form of government with more emphasis being placed on the "individual" than say "government"???

We are all responsible for our individual success or failures in life. Lord only knows how hard it is for us as individuals to care for our own needs, how can you expect us to take care of everyone elses as well? That is beyond "unfair" and "unreasonable". We all have the same opportunities in life. What we do with them, is up to us.

You brought up American generosity; Indonesia, Africa, and Haiti are all recent examples of that. We are in fact very generous, but very selectively so, and Americans in need generally don't have as much appeal as a "cause" as foreigners in need or specialty causes within the US (by way of an example, our local football program fundraisers get more support than fundraisers for the local food pantry).

There is nothing whatsoever about economics in the Constitution, and I've no doubt our founding fathers would be appalled at what has become of the system of governance they created. They set out to limit the power of individuals/families, and we twisted that into a new sort of aristocracy where it is corporations rather than titled families that have more than their share of say in the lawmaking process. We don't see near the outrage over companies like CVS and Pepsico having net-zero tax liability on multi-million dollar profits, but we scream bloody murder over the very notion that someone might be able to get needed medical treatment they "didn't earn".

And no, we don't all start out with the same opportunities in life. We aren't all born with the same native abilities, we do not all have equal access to education, and we are not all brought up with the skills necessary to succeed. That's just a fact of life; the person with learning disabilities doesn't have the same starting point as the person with the 120IQ, the person who attends ghetto schools without basic supplies doesn't get the same start as the person who goes to a nice suburban school, the person who has to take on a mortgage worth of debt to earn a degree doesn't start adulthood on equal footing with the person who's parents funded their education.

Some people can overcome the disadvantages they start with. Some can't. The question is whether we really think it is acceptable to simply write off the people who can't, considering that each and every one of us need them - cashiers and farm hands and factory workers and janitors and even Disney cast members - to live the lifestyle we enjoy.