Magic Bands coming to DCL

Why are you afraid, if you don't mind me asking? I love that I can use my phone to purchase things. For many reasons. The silliest is that I don't want to bring a credit card when I run, but sometimes want to pop into the convenience store for some water or Gatorade or a snack ;)

Its more concerned. Frankly they need to get the security issues settled. The idea that a unknown party can take a loan against my home without me knowing or doing anything wrong and then have the bank argue that I was still going to have to pay for the thief they wrongly permitted to happen is scary!

My wife and I carry 1 or 2 credit cards, but we have gone back to mostly using cash now. Many of the people we know are doing the same.


My question to you is why are you in such a rush that you cannot take a minute to pay cash for the Gatorade or snack? There is a old story about a business man taking a old Chinese's client around NYC to see the sites. The business man explained after a trip on the subway that involved 4 train and line changes had saved them 5 minutes of travel time! The old Chinese's gentleman looking at the business man and politely asked what he was going to do with the 5 minutes now?

I guess my point really is the safety of paying cash is more important to us then a minute or 2 saved.

AKK

I agree with Art. Theres still too much uncertainty with certain types of cards and security is not up to par on where it should be with the advances in technology as far as purchasing things wirelessly. Theres a recent thread on one of the Theme park boards, where someone was seen with a smart phone type device, pointing it at people near Caseys corner in the MK. then he goes over to a camera like bag, does what appears to be a download of the device and goes back to his people watching. Several people chimed in that, within 2 weeks of visiting the MK, that there were mysterious chrges on their accounts. After doing a little investigation, I found out that there are certain new debit/credit cards out there they have a wifi chip in them, that security is not the best on, and someone walking by 20 feet away can get all of that persons bank and personal info from, and the person would never know until its too late. Saw several articles that said that some one (different people different demos)stood on stage, and got several peoples pins, card numbers, and other info without ever making contact with that person, all using smart phone apps.

So, until someone gets there act together, I would not trust anything that has my person info available, wirelessly, unless its a proven system. True, someone can still spoof you and get your info from a physical card with a reader, but, theres usually tell tales if you know what to look for, and do.
 
I agree with Art. Theres still too much uncertainty with certain types of cards and security is not up to par on where it should be with the advances in technology as far as purchasing things wirelessly. Theres a recent thread on one of the Theme park boards, where someone was seen with a smart phone type device, pointing it at people near Caseys corner in the MK. then he goes over to a camera like bag, does what appears to be a download of the device and goes back to his people watching. Several people chimed in that, within 2 weeks of visiting the MK, that there were mysterious chrges on their accounts. After doing a little investigation, I found out that there are certain new debit/credit cards out there they have a wifi chip in them, that security is not the best on, and someone walking by 20 feet away can get all of that persons bank and personal info from, and the person would never know until its too late. Saw several articles that said that some one (different people different demos)stood on stage, and got several peoples pins, card numbers, and other info without ever making contact with that person, all using smart phone apps.

So, until someone gets there act together, I would not trust anything that has my person info available, wirelessly, unless its a proven system. True, someone can still spoof you and get your info from a physical card with a reader, but, theres usually tell tales if you know what to look for, and do.

Uh, no. Those chips embedded in credit/debit cards do not broadcast a wireless signal. They have been in use in Europe for years. What the chip does is add a layer of protection and makes it harder for your card information to be stolen and cloned.

ETA: Three of my credit/debit cards have them. Now it's the waiting game for merchants to catch up and install machines that can read them.
 
Port authorities are not chimps. Technology is advancing everywhere. It wouldn't be that difficult to train them how to operate a wireless device. Sheesh, have you ever looked at the average age of the gate monitoring CMs at WDW? It has to be at least 75. I'm sure if they can keep up with technology, the port officials can too. :thumbsup2

No, they're not chimps, but, DCL can't dictate what the port authorities in other countries do either. Even if DCL implements bands on the ship, they'll still need to issue cards to take off the ship for excursions.

And honestly, having seen the mixups with bands, would you really want to be standing in a line waiting with 10,000 other cruise passengers to get back to your ship while they try and figure out why the scanners are jumbled from having 5 or 6 different ships' data on them? The countries will stick to having cards, which state your ship and sail dates and they can then check against your passport/ID. There's no benefit to them to have band readers.
 
Uh, no. Those chips embedded in credit/debit cards do not broadcast a wireless signal. They have been in use in Europe for years. What the chip does is add a layer of protection and makes it harder for your card information to be stolen and cloned.

ETA: Three of my credit/debit cards have them. Now it's the waiting game for merchants to catch up and install machines that can read them.

Sure about that?

A lesson in card cloning

Check your wallet

You might not know it, but you could have a credit or debit card that uses a tiny computer chip and a radio antenna to transmit account information from your card—even when you’re not shopping.

MasterCard uses “PayPass” to identify the cards. Chase bank coined the term “Blink.” Some contactless cards, which use a radio frequency identification, or RFID, chip, might simply have a symbol on the card consisting of four curved lines. An industry newsletter, The Nilson Report, says 35 million contactless chip cards are in circulation in the U.S.

The cards are touted as convenient, but they are also vulnerable to being skimmed without ever leaving your pocket. The information communicated from your card to a card reader can be enough to create a counterfeit card that can be successfully used to make an unauthorized purchase, as we observed in a recent demonstration by Recursion Ventures, a security research and consulting company in New York City.

The basic equipment needed for that form of fraud is readily available to would-be crooks. An electronic card reader available online for less than $100 can be connected to a laptop to store skimmed information. When Chris Paget, whose title at Recursion is chief hacker, used such a reader to scan a Chase debit card he’d recently received, the card’s account number, expiration date, and security data immediately appeared on the computer screen. Two credit cards still inside the mailing envelope revealed the same type of account data.

Making a counterfeit

From a few inches away, the account data can be read even if the card is inside a wallet or purse. By transferring the skimmed card data onto a blank magnetic-stripe card, Paget produced a counterfeit card that he then used to make a purchase that was successfully processed.


Second example:
The other type of chip-based card doesn’t require physical contact between the card and the card reader; it uses RFID radio technology to send data short distances through the air. These cards are available today, and have names such as Visa PayWave, MasterCard PayPass, American Express ExpressPay and Discover Zip.

The problem with RFID cards is that, unless the card is inside a protective covering, they can be read from a few inches away by someone who has a portable RFID reader. Metal foil is said to be the best protective coating to prevent data theft. Some wallets are now sold with protective pockets for RFID credit cards, although the degree of protection provided is not uniform.


This one is from Forbes:

Pull out your credit card and flip it over. If the back is marked with the words “PayPass,” “Blink,” that triangle of nested arcs that serves as the universal symbol for wireless data or a few other obscure icons, Kristin Paget says it’s vulnerable to an uber-stealthy form of pickpocketing. As she showed on a Washington D.C. stage Saturday, she can read all the data she needs to make a fraudulent transaction off that card with just a few hundred dollars worth of equipment, and do it invisibly through your wallet, purse, or pocket.

At the Shmoocon hacker conference, Paget aimed to indisputably prove what hackers have long known and the payment card industry has repeatedly downplayed and denied: That RFID-enabled credit card data can be easily, cheaply, and undetectably stolen and used for fraudulent transactions. With a Vivotech RFID credit card reader she bought on eBay for $50, Paget wirelessly read a volunteer’s credit card onstage and obtained the card’s number and expiration date, along with the one-time CVV number used by contactless cards to authenticate payments. A second later, she used a $300 card-magnetizing tool to encode that data onto a blank card. And then, with a Square attachment for the iPhone that allows anyone to swipe a card and receive payments, she paid herself $15 of the volunteer’s money with the counterfeit card she’d just created. (She also handed the volunteer a twenty dollar bill, essentially selling the bill on stage for $15 to avoid any charges of illegal fraud.)

If anyone still doubted that the trick had worked, Paget accidentally flashed the volunteer’s credit card number on a screen in front of an audience of hundreds of hackers and security researchers. “You were planning on cancelling that card, weren’t you?” she added somewhat sheepishly.

Contactless cards are far more common than they might seem: According to the Smart Card Association, about 100 million of the RFID-enabled cards are in circulation. Visa calls its technology payWave, MasterCard dubs it PayPass, Discover brands it Zip, and American Express calls it ExpressPay. According to a show of hands among Shmoocon’s audience, dozens of the several hundred conference attendees in the room had contactless cards, and about a quarter of those weren’t aware of it until Paget asked them pull out their cards and check for contactless symbols.

Paget, a well-known security researcher for the consultancy Recursion Ventures who was known as Christopher Paget until a gender change last May, used a simple method for her hack: impersonating a legitimate contactless point-of-sale terminal with her own RFID card reader. (That’s the striped panel pictured above.) In one practical version of the scam, Paget says, a fraudster could simply bump up against his victim with that reader in a coat pocket and invisibly scan the RFID signal through material like a leather wallet or cloth pants. In a demonstration just before her talk, Paget read a card in my wallet through my back pocket without touching me, successfully obtaining the card’s information.

The scheme, Paget points out, doesn’t involve any hidden bug in the system, but rather the more fundamental problem that any commercially-available RFID reader can read the data from a contactless card as easily as a store’s point-of-sale device does. “Whatever encryption or other security there might be, it doesn’t matter,” she says. “The reader just spits out the number as if I’m the point-of-sales terminal, which is totally stupid. This is an embarrassingly simple hack, but it works.”




Over time, they are getting better, but they still aren't there 100% yet.
 

Newer passports have the same chip inside. The front and rear cover have a protective case built into them so that while closed in someone's bag, they cannot be read but once open, as when going through customs/immigration, it can be read.
It does have the little wireless symbol on the front. I keep a rubber band around all them together when we travel to make sure they don't accidentally open in my bag.
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so I may have missed something...

Someone on another board said she's going on a Disney cruise in 2 weeks and just got MagicBands in the mail. She said they were for the cruise. I am skeptical, thinking they might be for the parks and she's confused. Has anyone else gotten them for their cruise?
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so I may have missed something...

Someone on another board said she going on a Disney cruise in 2 weeks and just got MagicBands in the mail. She said they were for the cruise. I am skeptical, thinking they might be for the parks and she's confused. Has anyone else gotten them for their cruise?

My parents were on the Fantasy Dec 6-13 and no Magic Bands.

My guess is either she is going to WDW (though those are usually sent further out than 2 weeks) or they have APs.
 
My parents were on the Fantasy Dec 6-13 and no Magic Bands.

My guess is either she is going to WDW (though those are usually sent further out than 2 weeks) or they have APs.
OK, she just confirmed that she isn't even going to the parks and is not an AP holder. Unless there's some kind of mix up, it seems that MagicBands will be used on at least one of the ships in 2 weeks.

ETA: It's like pulling teeth getting answers from this person. I'm going to assume she's staying at a WDW resort before her cruise, got the MagicBands for that and is just confused.
 
OK, she just confirmed that she isn't even going to the parks and is not an AP holder. Unless there's some kind of mix up, it seems that MagicBands will be used on at least one of the ships in 2 weeks.

ETA: It's like pulling teeth getting answers from this person. I'm going to assume she's staying at a WDW resort before her cruise, got the MagicBands for that and is just confused.

I'm going to say that's a pretty safe bet. We were staying at a WDW resort between our Dream & Fantasy cruises last September. And we got the magic bands for that. Didn't have them for theme park entrance or rides. Just staying at the resort.
 
The Magic Bands currently in-use at WDW have NO information stored on the band itself; all info is on each guest's/family's MDE account. Port security would not need just "band readers" but access to MDE, which presumably is proprietary to Disney. I personally would not want every joe-schmo security guard in another country to have access to all that. I'm not a big techie, but would think DCL would either need a different type of Magic Band technology, which then would not be compatible with those in use in the parks, or some manner to restrict info available to the security in ports. I'm sure it's possible, but I question how plausible at this immediate point in time.

Just my thoughts...
 
The Magic Bands currently in-use at WDW have NO information stored on the band itself; all info is on each guest's/family's MDE account. Port security would not need just "band readers" but access to MDE, which presumably is proprietary to Disney. I personally would not want every joe-schmo security guard in another country to have access to all that. I'm not a big techie, but would think DCL would either need a different type of Magic Band technology, which then would not be compatible with those in use in the parks, or some manner to restrict info available to the security in ports. I'm sure it's possible, but I question how plausible at this immediate point in time.

Just my thoughts...

I think the tech is there. What I think a security officer would see is your face, and ship with sailing date(using the Magic Band) like what the DCL security officers see when you check on and off the ship. Right now all they see is your kttw card, and a photo Id which has almost all of the same info if you use a dl.

Using Cozumel or Grand Cayman for example, it probably wouldn't be a big deal to set up a portable reader, similar to the one at the parks turnstyles or even a Ipad, which Ive seen GS at the parks use.
 
We wear bracelets at our all inclusive resorts in Mexico and I hate, hate, hate them. It feels so good on the final day to get them off. I can't imagine wearing the Magic Bands. Yuck! And, a tan line to boot. LOL
 
We wear bracelets at our all inclusive resorts in Mexico and I hate, hate, hate them. It feels so good on the final day to get them off. I can't imagine wearing the Magic Bands. Yuck! And, a tan line to boot. LOL
I know what you mean. I would rather carry a KTTW card in my pocket. I don't do lanyards either. Is the chip (or whatever it is) in a certain part of the band? Wonder if you could cut that part off...
 
Must be in the minority here, but we loved having the bands for our WDW stay last year and used them for everything - perhaps we were lucky as they seemed to work seamlessly for everything we tried! Would rather stick on a band and leave it than have to remember to pick up my card, especially as I rarely carry a purse on the ship, or have a pocket and I don't like a lanyard flapping round my neck.
 
We've been to Disney 5 times since they switched to MagicBands and haven't had any trouble at all. Would love to see them as an option on DCL too!
 
I hate the Magic Bands. We have APs and are DVC and do several stays a year. Between myself and DH we have around 45-50 MagicBands. The more we end up with the worse they get. A CM deactivated some for us but that caused more issues because then my AP wasn't linked to the band any more and it took almost 45 minutes to relink it. Such a pain!

I also hate having things around my wrist so I'm hoping they are not DCL-bound in the near future.
 
I hate the Magic Bands. We have APs and are DVC and do several stays a year. Between myself and DH we have around 45-50 MagicBands. The more we end up with the worse they get. A CM deactivated some for us but that caused more issues because then my AP wasn't linked to the band any more and it took almost 45 minutes to relink it. Such a pain!

I also hate having things around my wrist so I'm hoping they are not DCL-bound in the near future.

Do you have to get a new band every time you go? Can't they just link your new stay to a band you already have?
 
Do you have to get a new band every time you go? Can't they just link your new stay to a band you already have?

As I understand it, as long as the band is linked to your MDE account, you could use it. It would be really nice if they gave you the option of using a band you already have rather than getting a new one, but so far they don't seem to have figured that out.
 

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