LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[cakebaker]

In no case shall the number be two, excepting that thou then proceed to three...

 

[dayvewc]

But I haven't. Day One at Park One and Day Two at Park Two are inextricably intertwined. By referencing this, I am not changing the subject but instead fleshing out the entire scenario. You cannot have your "awesome day" at one park and ignore its ramifications at a second park. It is you who just refuses to accept this. The whole system works in concert, not in isolated abstract.

except that, my understanding of what he is saying, is that it ISN'T two days at two parks, but morning at one and evening at the other. By grabbing morning FP-'s at the first park, there is a better than good chance that the times will be past when he is planning to leave, and by the time he gets to the 2nd park the times will not be available for when he needs - the machines will be past that time.

 

[cakebaker]

That may work but sure seems like work and I wonder how many users would even know to try that.




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You don't mind driving back and forth to Universal every day, I'm pretty sure you can handle a few clicks on the keyboard and I'm pretty sure the op knows that tip as well. And since we are restricted to what they asked, let's stick to them and not the supposed clueless user.

 

[JimmyV]

Here's what I'd say- It was awful. Our plan was to go to the MK by opening and leave by 11am. We missed riding SDMT because the FP return time was past noon. So we left as planned, went to our resort for a break, ate lunch, swam, let the baby have his nap and went to Epcot at 4 as planned. Soarin was out of fp's and the line was 90 minutes long all evening so we missed that as well. Unfortunately, the return time for TT was too late and we'd miss our dinner ressie so we had to skip that as well.

And now? If you use your FPs for the MK in the morning and go to Epcot at 4:00, what would you expect to be different? Soarin' will be out of FPs. The line will be 90 minutes long. And the same will be true at TT. If you got to the MK by opening under FP-, you could have ridden standby or gotten a FP return time of around 10:30. There is no way under FP- that you could "go to MK by opening" and find all the return times "past noon". Now you are just making stuff up.

 

[cakebaker]

except that, my understanding of what he is saying, is that it ISN'T two days at two parks, but morning at one and evening at the other. By grabbing morning FP-'s at the first park, there is a better than good chance that the times will be past when he is planning to leave, and by the time he gets to the 2nd park the times will not be available for when he needs - the machines will be past that time.

Thank you! Someone finally gets it. Alternating parks....Day 1:Morning park/Evening park. Day 2 : reverse

 

[erc]

There is no circumstance by which you would have done what you suggest unless you were prepared to:

• Ride at 4:10 and show up a few minutes late for your ADR
• Skip your ADR
• Eat fast and use your FP at 5:10.

Otherwise, you would have come back at a different time.

Hmm, all that or stick with FP+ and easily arrange my schedule to fit my ADR's? What to do...what to do...

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

That may work but sure seems like work and I wonder how many users would even know to try that.




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You would be surprised

 

[JimmyV]

it ISN'T two days at two parks

Unless one is only planning on a one day trip, then there is always a "day two". And if one is only planning a one day visit, one cannot "hop". If one hops, then one must have a multi-day pass. And if one has a multi-day pass, one must plan on a "day two" at the parks. Eventually, the person in question is going to find themselves at a tiered park, and when that happens, the benefits of FP+ start to shrink.

 

[MrInfinity]

But I haven't. Day One at Park One and Day Two at Park Two are inextricably intertwined. By referencing this, I am not changing the subject but instead fleshing out the entire scenario. You cannot have your "awesome day" at one park and ignore its ramifications at a second park. It is you who just refuses to accept this. The whole system works in concert, not in isolated abstract.

What on Earth are you talking about...

JimmyV: Tell me what rides you got them for and for what times, and I could replicate that with FP- every time

JimmyV: I am saying that I could replicate your "awesome" day, quite easily in fact

Proceed. Do that. Tell me how you would get all that done under FP- on a 9-day. There is no 2-day-grouping minimum in which you could replicate an overall number of experiences. Here is the day to replicate: http://www.disboards.com/threads/love-or-hate-fp-anyones-mind-been-changed.3373606/page-50

And my plan had no ramifications at a second park. In fact it's totally independent of what we might do the next day.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And now? If you use your FPs for the MK in the morning and go to Epcot at 4:00, what would you expect to be different? Soarin' will be out of FPs. The line will be 90 minutes long. And the same will be true at TT. If you got to the MK by opening under FP-, you could have ridden standby or gotten a FP return time of around 10:30. There is no way under FP- that you could "go to MK by opening" and find all the return times "past noon". Now you are just making stuff up.

Didn't she get her FP+ for evening at EPCOT?
(Hard to follow along at this point with all the "but buts" trying to prove someone's plan is flawed.)

 

[cakebaker]

And now? If you use your FPs for the MK in the morning and go to Epcot at 4:00, what would you expect to be different? Soarin' will be out of FPs. The line will be 90 minutes long. And the same will be true at TT. If you got to the MK by opening under FP-, you could have ridden standby or gotten a FP return time of around 10:30. There is no way under FP- that you could "go to MK by opening" and find all the return times "past noon". Now you are just making stuff up.

Don't call me a liar please, it does nothing to further the discussion.

I get fp+ for the afternoon park. We ride standby when the lines are light on the secondary rides for the morning park. It's why we want to leave at 11. If we spend our morning trying to do standby on rides like SDMT 1) it kills riding the secondary rides early and 2) Forces to run with the crowd at rope drop. The next day, we alternate the parks- or at some point in the trip. By the end of the trip, both parks have been visited both evening and morning.

I did not say "all" I said SDMT.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Unless one is only planning on a one day trip, then there is always a "day two". And if one is only planning a one day visit, one cannot "hop". If one hops, then one must have a multi-day pass. And if one has a multi-day pass, one must plan on a "day two" at the parks. Eventually, the person in question is going to find themselves at a tiered park, and when that happens, the benefits of FP+ start to shrink.

They sell single day park hoppers.

So your statement is false, unless that changed. Do they not sell those any longer for you to state a multi-day pass with pair hopper is required?
(ETA: park hopper is indeed available on single day. So your statement is false. Additionally, a multi-day pass would be single park unless one adds park hopper. So that statement is also kind of false because you omit the requirement of that add on.)

Besides, the person's whose day you are so vested in was clearly talking about park hopping the way they desired to do it. So day 2 is irrelevant because of now they choose to four.

 

[JimmyV]

Didn't she get her FP+ for evening at EPCOT?
(Hard to follow along at this point with all the "but buts" trying to prove someone's plan is flawed.)

I'm confused too, because in her example, she had a FP for 7DMT. So that would preclude here from having FPs at Epcot. And if she had FPs for Epcot, she could have simply ridden 7DMT standby, thus negating the need for the FP whose time has passed. So, yes, this is too confusing.

 

[dayvewc]

Unless one is only planning on a one day trip, then there is always a "day two". And if one is only planning a one day visit, one cannot "hop". If one hops, then one must have a multi-day pass. And if one has a multi-day pass, one must plan on a "day two" at the parks. Eventually, the person in question is going to find themselves at a tiered park, and when that happens, the benefits of FP+ start to shrink.

Not true. I still have multiple days left from a non-expiring ticket I bought years ago, strictly for times I find myself in the area for conferences or work that will only allow limited time. So, yes, 1 day visits with park-hopping ARE possible. Not to mention that with the new tickets it is now possible to buy a 1-day park hopper ticket. (It's $165.08 btw, not what I'd call cost effective, but for others )

Now granted, most people probably are there for multiple days at a time, and thus would have that "day two". But in the specific situation that was asked about / presented, it was not a 2 day park visit, but 2 parks in 1 day.

 

[JimmyV]

They sell single day park hoppers.

I didn't think so. Could be different. Here is what the ticket page says:

Important Single-Day Ticket Details

1-Day Ticket: Magic Kingdom Park
This ticket provides admission to Magic Kingdom park. It is not valid at EPCOT or Disney's Animal Kingdom park or Disney's Hollywood Studios.

 

[JimmyV]

Now granted, most people probably are there for multiple days at a time, and thus would have that "day two". But in the specific situation that was asked about / presented, it was not a 2 day park visit, but 2 parks in 1 day.

OK. I will concede that point. FP+ is great for the person who buys a one day park hopper pass at $165. I'm glad that this sliver of the population is well cared for now.

But what seems to be evolving here is that people are crowing about the benefits of FP+ if one:

Rope Drops --> Park Hops --> Uses FPs.

Is that the norm? Is creating an awesome day for people who do this worth the side effects to people who do not spend the extra money for hoppers? Or who prefer to stick to one park per day? People are making a good case for one type of touring and then suggesting that FP+ is "better" generally.

 

[jade1]

I've never said that.



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Sorry, I meant the boards have swung a long way from those discussions.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I didn't think so. Could be different. Here is what the ticket page says:

Important Single-Day Ticket Details

1-Day Ticket: Magic Kingdom Park
This ticket provides admission to Magic Kingdom park. It is not valid at EPCOT or Disney's Animal Kingdom park or Disney's Hollywood Studios.

Select it, scroll down and you then select park hopper add on for $50. I just did this.

It is a clickable add on and not listed with the regular ticket for ANY ticket.
($165.08 is the final price.)

 

[dayvewc]

I'm confused too, because in her example, she had a FP for 7DMT. So that would preclude here from having FPs at Epcot. And if she had FPs for Epcot, she could have simply ridden 7DMT standby, thus negating the need for the FP whose time has passed. So, yes, this is too confusing.

I think some confusion may come from there being 2 different posters talking about their park days. Poster #1 was scheduling FP around an ADR after having planned to hop to MK in the afternoon (they had the SDMT). Poster #2 was talking about spending the morning in one park and leaving by 11 for another.

Both people were talking about hopping, both find advantages to being able to schedule FP+ for their needs and not rely on the available time or even availability of the FP-. Both were also saying that their specific plans could not be reliably replicated using FP-, even though someone was insisting that it could.

 

[JimmyV]

I think some confusion may come from there being 2 different posters talking about their park days. Poster #1 was scheduling FP around an ADR after having planned to hop to MK in the afternoon (they had the SDMT). Poster #2 was talking about spending the morning in one park and leaving by 11 for another.

Both people were talking about hopping, both find advantages to being able to schedule FP+ for their needs and not rely on the available time or even availability of the FP-. Both were also saying that their specific plans could not be reliably replicated using FP-, even though someone was insisting that it could.

Thanks. I think you have distilled it. So FP+ really shines when one buys the more expensive hopping option and bounces around from park to park. I'm just not convinced that this has become the norm. I don't know for sure, but I still think one-park-per-day is still the most used approach. And under that approach, there is a "day two" at a tiered park that has to be contended with. FP+ wins the day when hopping around. FP- wins the day when spending a whole day in a tiered park (assuming that one wants to ride all the rides that build up 70+ minute waits).