LOVE or HATE FP+ Anyone's mind been changed ??

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Parasite is an interesting way to put it. I would think of it as more of a symbiotic relationship myself. Both mutually benefitting off of one another.

And parasites harm or kill their hosts. Not really possible for Uni to do that unless they greatly expand their "everybody of any height" can ride offerings. But that does not seem to be their market.

 

[wisblue]

I try not to be in a literal sense by not using a wealth of positive adjectives when describing one park system while using an abundance of negative adjectives to describe another as I've observed you often do. To me, they're just theme parks and it would be hard for me to describe moving from point A to point B with the likes of "We'd often take a refreshing ride on the monorail for a quick trip back to our wonderful resort for a delicious meal before returning back to the glorious park for some exciting fireworks." while referring to any plans of traveling and eating offsite as a battle in drudgery and traffic and smog, wasting time for a bland experience at a second-rate park system with meager meals at undesirable chain restaurants. I don't talk that way so I don't type that way either, but that's what I meant in terms of semantic bias.

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Nobody who follows this forum is buying for one second that you are neutral in your views about FP+ and the current state of WDW and how it compares to Universal.

But, if you are going to say that you have "often" observed me use "an abundance of negative adjectives" to describe Universal, it shouldn't be hard for you to use the search function to find at least two or three examples. Just enter "Universal" as a key word and my screen name and it should point you to many examples, including this one:

"I can see why a lot of people prefer Universal to Disney, especially if their highest priority is thrill rides and the ability to repeat rides if they get the unlimited express pass. I can also see why a lot of people might gravitate toward Universal as their kids grow into their teens. That having been said, I don't see me ever taking a trip to Florida with Universal as my focal point. A day or two at Universal as a change of pace and something different from Disney can be great. But, it just doesn't give me the same good feeling."

Boy, I really ripped into Universal that time.

 

[Laketravis]

..Nobody who follows this forum is buying for one second that you are neutral in your views about FP+ and the current state of WDW and how it compares to Universal....

Just enter "Universal" as a key word and my screen name and it should point you to many examples....

The difference is I'm not trying to sell anything so my posts don't sound like a sales pitch. Try that same search but substitute the word "wonderful" for "Universal"

Anyway, I don't get all the talk about how much of a hassle it is to do two parks in one day. Say, Epcot and IoA. Or Hollywood and US. Doesn't seem like much more of deal than hopping from one park to another at WDW. You still have to leave one, take some form of transportation to get to the other, go thru bag check/park entry, etc. I suppose I'll find out in a couple of weeks if it's really that much more of a cross-country trek that it isn't something that can be done in the same day. Who knows, maybe I'll come back with an entirely new perspective and my posts will start sounding like yours.



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[wisblue]

The difference is I'm not trying to sell anything so my posts don't sound like a sales pitch. Try that same search but substitute the word "wonderful" for "Universal"

Anyway, I don't get all the talk about how much of a hassle it is to do two parks in one day. Say, Epcot and IoA. Or Hollywood and US. Doesn't seem like much more of deal than hopping from one park to another at WDW. You still have to leave one, take some form of transportation to get to the other, go thru bag check/park entry, etc. I suppose I'll find out in a couple of weeks if it's really that much more of a cross-country trek that it isn't something that can be done in the same day. Who knows, maybe I'll come back with an entirely new perspective and my posts will start sounding like yours.
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Got it.

The fact that I never said that Universal is "wonderful" (using that word) is the same as using an abundance of negative adjectives to describe it.

So, in other words, you really don't have any examples and are going to change the subject instead of trying to back up your statement.

Also, the subject of going from Universal to Disney or vice versa has nothing to do with my feeling about the two resorts. It just has to do with visiting both parks on multiple days on one trip, and the fact that it only makes sense if you have enough ticket days at both places to make it cost effective.

 

[Dr Gevil]

The only thing I've changed my mind on is the fact that I'm now convinced that a new discussion forum needs to be added to the boards.

I present for approval the new DIS FP Octagon Forum, sponsored by the UFC. Two posters enter - one poster leaves.

 

[Laketravis]

So, in other words, you really don't have any examples and are going to change the subject instead of trying to back up your statement..

I was going to give you credit for knowing what you do but maybe you really don't. It's always seemed to me that whenever you describe something "Disney" you always do so in a flowery positive manner using adjectives like wonderful, leisurely, enjoyable, casual, relaxing, etc..... but not so when you are referring/comparing to something else such as leaving a WDW park for a Universal park, something you've cast as a negative and laborious effort more than once.

I'm not interested in arguing semantics with you, you asked me to agree that I was as biased as you and I was trying to politely point out that I'm not and then you argued that "nobody would buy that". So it probably is a good idea to change the subject.



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[Csaks]

Most if not all of the comments following that article were negative reviews of FP+.

What I'm noticing on this thread is a lot of posts from people who have never posted on a FP+ thread, and there aren't many people who are satisfied with the current system. I believe Disney has a major problem.

I've also noticed a lot of multiple trip folks in all the many threads here and elsewhere that have said screw it, time for something new. My wife is one of them, the in house Disney lover has put her foot down. We spent on average $5000 a trip and the majority went to Disney. At one point DVC was a serious topic,not now. Thank god we didn't take that plunge.
We were never ones to RD but never had a problem getting FP- for the rides we wanted. The secondary rides had tolerable wait times and we had a ton of fun on all our past trips except this last one. Amy always fought me on Universal, she is all Disney all the time and every minute in Florida should be at Disney, according to her. Two trips ago we started Universals HHN, better show of Canada's Wonderlands version, it was my in! Anyway we did that first for three days and then Disney for ten. On our 22hr drive home, the post vacation review was bad, from both of us. Neither said anything at the time for fear of ruining the others vacation but the conclusion was that Universal was like Disney on our honeymoon back in '01. Get up whenever, decide the park, book it over there any just wander around and do whatever struck your fancy.
I guess there are a bunch of things that have gotten us to this point. Food has gone downhill, ADR's, dining plan, now planning rides months in advance. For the money you pay, I didn't mind it when you got quality, not so much now. I do like those Magicbands replacing the card, way more convenient.
It's weird not having an overwhelming desire to return to the World like we did in the past. Oh well, two less people in the Standby line for the rest of ya.

 

[Laketravis]

Many opinions about FP+ seem to have been formed based on information released by WDC such as guest usage and acceptance. But what if the integrity of that information wasn't as solid as it could or should be? Has anyone been keeping up with the unfolding news about the Huffington Post article on Disney that mysteriously disappeared in just 24 hours?



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[cakebaker]

Many opinions about FP+ seem to have been formed based on information released by WDC such as guest usage and acceptance. But what if the integrity of that information wasn't as solid as it could or should be? Has anyone been keeping up with the unfolding news about the Huffington Post article on Disney that mysteriously disappeared in just 24 hours?.

So now many of us who have positive opinions of FP+ have those opinions because we read a brochure? Almost every positive post I've read is based on first hand experience and I cannot say that about the negative posts- that's because I'm told you don't have to go to know you don't like it.

The premise of your post is so far off base that there's no point in addressing the rest of the vast conspiracy theory of "WDW's attempt to fool the masses" that you seem to be forming.

 

[Laketravis]

I said many, not every. No need to be so defensive. If you aren't interested in the developing news that Disney may have used it's influence and scrubbed a less than flattering story from the Internet that's fine but no need to be argumentative about it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

 

[Laketravis]

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

 

[MrInfinity]

I actually didn't hear anything about FP+ from Disney. It's pretty much all learned out here, then verified by my own experiences with it. We just watched a show last night on the travel channel, the one where they take you behind the scenes at WDW and DL... They made no mention of FP+ at all.

 

[DCDisney]

We've taken a few FP+ trips now and I still mostly few at best indifferent to the system. I like the bands. I hate the scheduled for every moment feeling...A LOT...and I'm a planner type I can't imagine how the free spirits feel. We are now taking visits to Universal staying on site with a day or 2 at WDW. I love their on site hotels--feel nicer than WDW Deluxe and usually less expensive. My kids are teens though but none of us love the extreme rides. My next trip though I'm very happy about FP+ because I'm chaperoning a music group and we have just a few hours in each park so we'll get to do more with FP+ than without but it seems kind of unfair to others spending a whole day in the park that we just traipse right in do our 3 rides and out we go

 

[cakebaker]

I said many, not every. ..

I'd be interested in knowing what drew you to the conclusion that many people only like fp+ because they read it was good.

I find the conspiracy theory to actually be quite funny and entertaining really.

 

[erc]

It worked well for us. And to be honest, besides making it necessary to know exactly what park you will be in on a given day, the experience was not that different than what we used to do under FP- and in fact was actually a slightly better experience for us. Under the old system there were times I would try to get a FP- for a ride that would show a time that I had no intention of sticking around for so I would just throw it away. So I think with 3 guaranteed FP's, I actually utilized a FP for more rides with FP+ than I did with FP-.

Oh and my opinions were not formed from reading a brochure. They are from actual user experience.

 

[wisblue]

I was going to give you credit for knowing what you do but maybe you really don't. It's always seemed to me that whenever you describe something "Disney" you always do so in a flowery positive manner using adjectives like wonderful, leisurely, enjoyable, casual, relaxing, etc..... but not so when you are referring/comparing to something else such as leaving a WDW park for a Universal park, something you've cast as a negative and laborious effort more than once.

I'm not interested in arguing semantics with you, you asked me to agree that I was as biased as you and I was trying to politely point out that I'm not and then you argued that "nobody would buy that". So it probably is a good idea to change the subject.

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You've got me there. I do tend to use positive adjectives to describe things I like and negative adjectives to describe things I don't like. I haven't been able to come up with a better way to express my opinions. And I do like WDW and I don't like the idea of traveling between WDW and US several times in a few days. But, the fact still remains that I have not often used abundant negative adjectives to describe Universal. In fact, I really don't think I have said negative things about Universal at all, unless you consider it negative to say that I like Universal but like WDW more.

And when I am trying to be polite to someone I do not do that by making false statements about what that person has said.

 

[cakebaker]

It worked well for us. And to be honest, besides making it necessary to know exactly what park you will be in on a given day, the experience was not that different than what we used to do under FP- and in fact was actually a slightly better experience for us. Under the old system there were times I would try to get a FP- for a ride that would show a time that I had no intention of sticking around for so I would just throw it away. So I think with 3 guaranteed FP's, I actually utilized a FP for more rides with FP+ than I did with FP-.

Oh and my opinions were not formed from reading a brochure. They are from actual user experience.

We've been twice but I watched a Disney commercial before going so I'm sure I was blinded to the truth and I couldn't see how miserable we were.

 

[Shaden]

I actually didn't hear anything about FP+ from Disney. It's pretty much all learned out here, then verified by my own experiences with it. We just watched a show last night on the travel channel, the one where they take you behind the scenes at WDW and DL... They made no mention of FP+ at all.

YOU .... seriously YOU ? How many times have YOU posted press release information and speech quotes and data released by Disney for Disney ?