LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[gometros]

Since she's dead, it can't be immortality. I think it's pure evil.

Immortality is not Invulnerability. Immortality just says that you will not age and can live for an infinite amount of time. You can still die by another's hand.

 

[N.Bailey]

Immortality is not Invulnerability. Immortality just says that you will not age and can live for an infinite amount of time. You can still die by another's hand.

Immortality means, eternal life; or an unending existence.

 

[ibouncetoo]

Immortality means, eternal life; or an unending existence.

And in the case of this program, mother 'passed the cup' of her imortality to Jacob. (and kind of the reason I put the word in quotes) She said now you are like me and that her time was ended.

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[N.Bailey]

And in the case of this program, mother 'passed the cup' of her imortality to Jacob. (and kind of the reason I put the word in quotes) She said now you are like me and that her time was ended.

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That could be. When she said the words however, I took it to mean that they were now alike. Not that Jacob was now like she was. Of course it's Lost and anything is possible.

 

[AshleyW]

Immortality means, eternal life; or an unending existence.

I think it has to do with that dagger and not letting the person speak before killing them. I think that with that dagger, you're able to kill people who are otherwise immortal.

Maybe, anyway. This show hurts my head sometimes.

 

[belle&sebastiansmom]

And in the case of this program, mother 'passed the cup' of her imortality to Jacob. (and kind of the reason I put the word in quotes) She said now you are like me and that her time was ended.

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What do you make of the Richard episode when Jacob sat down next to brother MIB and handed him that "wine" bottle? Was he essentially telling MIB, hey, I'm done here? Ready to go the way with mama? You win?

 

[N.Bailey]

I think it has to do with that dagger and not letting the person speak before killing them. I think that with that dagger, you're able to kill people who are otherwise immortal.

Maybe, anyway. This show hurts my head sometimes.

I agree. There is definitely something to that dagger and speaking. It's been repeated too often to not hold some merit.

 

[Heidict]

I saw it posted on TMZ today that a lot of the props that were used on LOST are going to be going up on auction. I don't know when though.

I did look through the pictures. They had Dharma food and beer, passports and plane tickets, Locke's knifes, the sword that killed fake mom, Jin's wedding ring, Charlies guitar, Mr Clucks chicken head. Tons of stuff!!

Here is the link http://www.profilesinhistory.com/items/lost-auction-preview/page-3-5-dp1.html

 

[brerrabbit]

My theory:

The Mother was the keeper of the light. It was her job to protect it from going out by way of people finding it and trying to take it. She was tired, no telling how long she had been doing it. The "Keeper" is endowed with certain powers. (Stick with me on this) The powers are the ability to cause things to happen, ships and planes to crash, immortality, and best of all the ability to become the smoke monster and kick a$$. Mom is tired and senses the pregnant woman passing on a ship. She makes a storm finds the woman adn takes care of her. She has a bond with the baby, she senses that it is special. Only problem is Spidy sense powers don't pick up on the second baby. MIB is the special one destined to become the keeper of the light but low and behold two babies pop out instead of one. She raises them and intends for MIB to be the one, but because he is special he sees his birth Mother and is corupted away from Mom. That leaves only Jacob so she turns the reins over to him. My explaination of Mom and her time on the island is derived from reading to many vampire books. Ann Rice's Interview with a Vampire series of books explores the idea that they can never find a vampire more than 4 or 5 hundred years old even though they know vampires have been around much longer. Lestat explains that the life becomes so lonley and unfulfilling that at some point the Vampire wants to die. Translation: immortality aint all that is cracked up to be. Same thing happens to Mom. Obviously she doesn't age in the 40 plus years we saw in the show. She thanks MIB for killing her because she gets to rest, she is free.

However her exit from this world creates a dilema, in that in the aftermath Jacob gets the power and immortality but because of his actions with his brother MIB winds up with the smoke power. This is not supposed to be the way it works. One person is supposed to hold all the power. Now it's split powers with one who wants to leave and both limited by the "rules" that Mom created for them when she still had the power. Remember Jacob gave Richard immortality and Mom gave it to MIB when she said you will never have to worry about death. She gave it to Jacob when he drank the wine and turned her duties over to him. So MIB is not Mom's son because he is dead, he is just the form smokeky took when a body floated by, the same way he took Lockes form when it returned to the island.

So now I am trying to not confuse the original MIB's wanting to leave the island (your not my Mother, those are my people, etc.) with the reason Smokey wants to leave the island, ( to inflict evil on the world, be free)

That's what I am thinking today but then again it's Lost wer'e talking about so it can change tomorrow.

 

[gometros]

Immortality means, eternal life; or an unending existence.

That is a textbook response. The concept of immortality has definitions in philosophy, religion and science. But, since Lost is a work of fiction, I was using it in relation to other fictional works that use immortality as a theme, such as Achilles in Greek Mythology, who was thought to be immortal, but had a weakness that his enemies were able to exploit; the immortals in the film series Highlander. who can be only killed by beheading; or even the horcruxes in Harry Potter.

I didn't answer the original comment properly, being guilty of attempting to be too succinct. What I should have said was that they could not be immortal, since they obviously can be killed and perhaps we were wrongly associating that term with the fact that they (Jacob, MIB and the mother), appeared to be ageless.

 

[N.Bailey]

My theory:

The Mother was the keeper of the light. It was her job to protect it from going out by way of people finding it and trying to take it. She was tired, no telling how long she had been doing it. The "Keeper" is endowed with certain powers. (Stick with me on this) The powers are the ability to cause things to happen, ships and planes to crash, immortality, and best of all the ability to become the smoke monster and kick a$$. Mom is tired and senses the pregnant woman passing on a ship. She makes a storm finds the woman adn takes care of her. She has a bond with the baby, she senses that it is special. Only problem is Spidy sense powers don't pick up on the second baby. MIB is the special one destined to become the keeper of the light but low and behold two babies pop out instead of one. She raises them and intends for MIB to be the one, but because he is special he sees his birth Mother and is corupted away from Mom. That leaves only Jacob so she turns the reins over to him. My explaination of Mom and her time on the island is derived from reading to many vampire books. Ann Rice's Interview with a Vampire series of books explores the idea that they can never find a vampire more than 4 or 5 hundred years old even though they know vampires have been around much longer. Lestat explains that the life becomes so lonley and unfulfilling that at some point the Vampire wants to die. Translation: immortality aint all that is cracked up to be. Same thing happens to Mom. Obviously she doesn't age in the 40 plus years we saw in the show. She thanks MIB for killing her because she gets to rest, she is free.

However her exit from this world creates a dilema, in that in the aftermath Jacob gets the power and immortality but because of his actions with his brother MIB winds up with the smoke power. This is not supposed to be the way it works. One person is supposed to hold all the power. Now it's split powers with one who wants to leave and both limited by the "rules" that Mom created for them when she still had the power. Remember Jacob gave Richard immortality and Mom gave it to MIB when she said you will never have to worry about death. She gave it to Jacob when he drank the wine and turned her duties over to him. So MIB is not Mom's son because he is dead, he is just the form smokeky took when a body floated by, the same way he took Lockes form when it returned to the island.

So now I am trying to not confuse the original MIB's wanting to leave the island (your not my Mother, those are my people, etc.) with the reason Smokey wants to leave the island, ( to inflict evil on the world, be free)

That's what I am thinking today but then again it's Lost wer'e talking about so it can change tomorrow.

There are some really interesting thoughts here. Didn't the light go out when the MIB entered the cave though? If mom = Smokey, the light shouldn't have been glowing. Maybe I need to watch that part again.

 

[goofy's friends]

OK, this is what I think------"Mom" was the smoke monster. She caused the shipwreck of the people so she could have someone take over for her. The baby ended up being two babies. She thought she had to choose one and the one she chose left her. She passed the cup to Jacob and he was supposed to take over her whole job. However, when he sent his brother down the light tunnel, he unintentionally split the job between the two of them. Smoke monster is supposed to be the protector of the island, instead now it just wants to leave and destroy. Jacob is the sole protector of the island AND has to keep smokey from leaving to wreck havoc.

I'm sure there are holes in this theory and I don't understand how MIB seems to be the main personality of the smoke monster when it has held other bodies. Maybe because MIB is the one that actually went down and unleashed it in the first place. Maybe Desmond is the key to getting smokey back in his hole for good.

 

[N.Bailey]

OK, this is what I think------"Mom" was the smoke monster. She caused the shipwreck of the people so she could have someone take over for her. The baby ended up being two babies. She thought she had to choose one and the one she chose left her. She passed the cup to Jacob and he was supposed to take over her whole job. However, when he sent his brother down the light tunnel, he unintentionally split the job between the two of them. Smoke monster is supposed to be the protector of the island, instead now it just wants to leave and destroy. Jacob is the sole protector of the island AND has to keep smokey from leaving to wreck havoc.

I'm sure there are holes in this theory and I don't understand how MIB seems to be the main personality of the smoke monster when it has held other bodies. Maybe because MIB is the one that actually went down and unleashed it in the first place. Maybe Desmond is the key to getting smokey back in his hole for good.

I don't think the mother was ever Smokey, but that aside, how does all this play out if/when the Island sinks?

We don't have long now!!! A week and a day from now, we'll know all that we are ever gonna. I'm excited and sad at the same time.

I really think Kate making a sacrifice for someone other than herself is what pulled her off the candidate list. That's the only thing I can think of that would separate her from the others. If that selfless act is the cause/effect (off Island, many sacrifices have been made for others on the Island), that would mean that Kate is too good to be candidate. That would mean, whoever is actually the candidate, is not good.

I love reading the theories!!!

 

[brerrabbit]

Mom had to have either been smokey or part of her powers were that she could control smokey. I think she was smokey because that was part of the power the keeper of the island is suppose to get but it got split with the two babies. Evidence of the fact she was smokey is all the dead people and the well being buried. How could she have done that if she did not have smokey power?

 

[N.Bailey]

Mom had to have either been smokey or part of her powers were that she could control smokey. I think she was smokey because that was part of the power the keeper of the island is suppose to get but it got split with the two babies. Evidence of the fact she was smokey is all the dead people and the well being buried. How could she have done that if she did not have smokey power?

You guys bring up good points. Perhaps Smokey held Mom's personality and now it holds the personality of the MIB? It still doesn't really explain why the MIB's corpse lies with mother's. Why was she able to keep her physical body, when the MIB's remains lie in the cave?

He appeared as himself in earlier episodes, but now he's taken over Flocke's body (but Locke's remains are buried too).

Then we have Llana saying, he can no longer change, he's stuck in his current form. I take that to mean Locke's image, though we know he can transform from Flocke to Smokey.

Any thoughts on that?

 

[brerrabbit]

I think Mom and the original MIB, her "adopted" son are dead, they died back then. Smokey took the form of MIB but only that just as it has taken the form of John Locke. With taking the form it gains personal knowledge that the body had. Smokey in it's current form as Locke, says the same things MIB said all those years ago but for different reasons. The original MIB really did want to see the world and get off the island to explore however the current version or what is in Lockes body wants off the island to spread the evil.

Least ways that's how I have come to think of it.

 

[N.Bailey]

I think Mom and the original MIB, her "adopted" son are dead, they died back then. Smokey took the form of MIB but only that just as it has taken the form of John Locke. With taking the form it gains personal knowledge that the body had. Smokey in it's current form as Locke, says the same things MIB said all those years ago but for different reasons. The original MIB really did want to see the world and get off the island to explore however the current version or what is in Lockes body wants off the island to spread the evil.

Least ways that's how I have come to think of it.

That may be. The writers may not have given much thought to it and are going to sell a cheap explanation, but the mother's remains were as real as the MIB's. One would have thought her remains would have been buried back when she took over as Smokey. We know in the current state, Locke's remains have been buried, just as the MIB's were when he became Smokey.

 

[Shutterbug]

Again about the smoke monster,,,why couple season back did it seem like Ben could "summon" it to kill the mercenaries.

We had a glimpse into the future connection about Locke in the smoke monster in a very early episode where the monster and Locke came face to face. Locke and the monster just stared at each other for a moment or two before the monster moved off. Locke knew the monster would not kill him.

 

[Mary•Poppins]

Again about the smoke monster,,,why couple season back did it seem like Ben could "summon" it to kill the mercenaries.

Now that is VERY interesting! I forgot about that ...

I do think the Mom as the smoke monster ... how could she have killed everyone on the other side of the island? Can't wait for tonight!

 

[Heidict]

Again about the smoke monster,,,why couple season back did it seem like Ben could "summon" it to kill the mercenaries.

I know, I have been trying to figure that one out for a while now. How did pulling up that stopper thing, and draining out the water, call the smoke monster?

I am going with either mom being the smoke monster or possessing the same powers as the smoker monster. There is no way a woman could have hauled MIB out of the well, torn it up and filled it in and killed all of the "other" people and set their camp on fire. I don't think MIB was out that long.