LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[WriteDisney]

I don't know if I agree with that. Wouldn't Jacks dad have died earlier then and Claire may not have been pregnant then or have a reason to go to LA

I don't think Jack's dead would have died earlier necessarily. His death wasn't directly "island-related." We don't know how he died in this alternate reality, but we can guess that there being no island wouldn't effect it.

Maybe Eko's not on the plane becuase his brother's plane didn't crash on the island. Maybe he really was just searching for his body and since the plane didn't crash onto the island he was able to find his body and get closure.

I don't know it's just a theory. I'm 99 percent sure that this alternate reality started in the 70s, not from the plane crash. The Desmond thing was just a clue to that. But we'll see. I still don't know how blowing up an island would JUST mean the plane didn't crash. ALOT of things would be different if there was no island. But this is all under the assumption that the island sunk from the bomb.

ETA: Okay, am I the only one who had a realization when Jack gave Locke his card in the alternate reality. I was like.. oh yea Jack could have saved Locke, if the island didn't. I never made the connection before! Like maybe they were always meant to help eachother. It just fits. I've been watching since the beginning and I never actually made the connection between Locke's spinal injury and Jack being a spinal surgeon.

How sad is that?

 

[ladycollector]

And the one with the Island under water.

That's part of the reality where the bomb did go off.

 

[bigmerle1966]

No, I think the alternate reality started in 1976 (?) when Juliet detonated the bomb. When she detonated it everything changed. I think the alternate storyline will show that many things changed after that happened, not just the plane crashing.

I don't even think we know for sure that Claire was on the plane.

It could also be that Claire was never born at all.

 

[RadioNate]

I don't think Jack's dead would have died earlier necessarily. His death wasn't directly "island-related." We don't know how he died in this alternate reality, but we can guess that there being no island wouldn't effect it.

Maybe Eko's not on the plane becuase his brother's plane didn't crash on the island. Maybe he really was just searching for his body and since the plane didn't crash onto the island he was able to find his body and get closure.

I don't know it's just a theory. I'm 99 percent sure that this alternate reality started in the 70s, not from the plane crash. The Desmond thing was just a clue to that. But we'll see. I still don't know how blowing up an island would JUST mean the plane didn't crash. ALOT of things would be different if there was no island. But this is all under the assumption that the island sunk from the bomb.

ETA: Okay, am I the only one who had a realization when Jack gave Locke his card in the alternate reality. I was like.. oh yea Jack could have saved Locke, if the island didn't. I never made the connection before! Like maybe they were always meant to help eachother. It just fits. I've been watching since the beginning and I never actually made the connection between Locke's spinal injury and Jack being a spinal surgeon.

How sad is that?

I'm with you. The alternate time started in 1977, the moment the Juliet set off the bomb. Many things will be changed in the new "flash sideways" alt timeline.

Some things may very well be the same, but other things are not. We'll have to see what has changed and what hasn't.

It is clear that the Losties will still cross each other's paths in the alt timeline.

I didn't think I'd dig an alt time line but it was ok. What I didn't want was a complete re-boot.

This show is about the characters and it is interesting to see how their lives are different if on a different path.

I also think they made it clear that Man In Black = Smoke Monster = fLocke. The character we are seeing being played by Terry O'Quinn that we are seeing on the island is the MIB/Smoker Monster inhabiting "John Locke's" body. Ben killed John Locke, he's dead.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

No, I think the alternate reality started in 1976 (?) when Juliet detonated the bomb. When she detonated it everything changed. I think the alternate storyline will show that many things changed after that happened, not just the plane crashing.

Not that time traveling islands ever really "make sense." But I this makes more sense then JUST the plane not crashing. More than just that would happen if a bomb was detonated where it wasn't suppose to. The island sunk under water, that changed. I think its going to have a ripple effect over the years.

Boone did mention Shannon. He said he tried to save her from a bad relationship (like season one) but apparently she wanted to be in it or she didn't need saving or something. And another big change is that alot of the tailies weren't on the plane. I don't even think we know for sure that Claire was on the plane.

Yes, you're right. I don't know how I missed that when I posted before. In the detonated bomb world, there would have been no magnetic field, no numbers to be typed in every 108 minutes, no broadcasting of those numbers from the island where Hurley's friend from the mental institution would have heard them and said them over and over and over, causing Hurley to play those numbers in the lottery. Somehow, he still won the lottery, and decided to take a trip to Australia, but it wasn't to visit that lady to ask about the numbers. That's also why Desmond is on the plane. No island for him to get shipwrecked on searching for Penny.

I suppose the destruction of the island could have somehow also affected Rose and Bernard, Shannon and others, but it doesn't seem the effect would be as direct as with Hurley and Desmond.

ETA: Okay, am I the only one who had a realization when Jack gave Locke his card in the alternate reality. I was like.. oh yea Jack could have saved Locke, if the island didn't. I never made the connection before! Like maybe they were always meant to help eachother. It just fits. I've been watching since the beginning and I never actually made the connection between Locke's spinal injury and Jack being a spinal surgeon.

How sad is that?

I'm with you on that! I never made the connection throughout the years, either, but it was like a big light bulb turning on above my head when he handed him his card.

It could also be that Claire was never born at all.

We know she was, because she was in the cab that Kate jumped into, fleeing the airport.

 

[bigmerle1966]

We know she was, because she was in the cab that Kate jumped into, fleeing the airport.

Oh okay, I missed that part, was in the kitchen washing dishes.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Oh, and what about the Losties that are on the island now, at the time Juliet dies and Sayid awakens from the dead? If the bomb had destroyed the island and sent it to the bottom of the ocean, why are they all still alive and kicking and walking around on the island? What time or reality is that?

Or could it be that it wasn't actually the bomb that destroyed the island, but something else that was set in motion at the same time? Maybe it's really the killing of Jacob that sets off a big war or something that destroyed the island? Did that also happen in 1977?

Ugh, now I'm getting more confused. Remember when the second plane carrying Jack, etc, (that Lapidis was flying) crashed on the island, Jack, Hurley, Kate ended up in 1977, but Sun and Lapidis ended up in some other year, didn't they? Remember they went to the Dharma compound and it was abandoned? Where are they now? Did I miss something?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Oh okay, I missed that part, was in the kitchen washing dishes.

They just showed her for a second -- would have been easy to miss if you blinked!

 

[ladycollector]

Ugh, now I'm getting more confused. Remember when the second plane carrying Jack, etc, (that Lapidis was flying) crashed on the island, Jack, Hurley, Kate ended up in 1977, but Sun and Lapidis ended up in some other year, didn't they? Remember they went to the Dharma compound and it was abandoned? Where are they now? Did I miss something?

They're all on the same time now.

 

[AshleyW]

Oh, and what about the Losties that are on the island now, at the time Juliet dies and Sayid awakens from the dead? If the bomb had destroyed the island and sent it to the bottom of the ocean, why are they all still alive and kicking and walking around on the island? What time or reality is that?

Or could it be that it wasn't actually the bomb that destroyed the island, but something else that was set in motion at the same time? Maybe it's really the killing of Jacob that sets off a big war or something that destroyed the island? Did that also happen in 1977?

Ugh, now I'm getting more confused. Remember when the second plane carrying Jack, etc, (that Lapidis was flying) crashed on the island, Jack, Hurley, Kate ended up in 1977, but Sun and Lapidis ended up in some other year, didn't they? Remember they went to the Dharma compound and it was abandoned? Where are they now? Did I miss something?

The people alive and kicking on the island are in the alternate reality or wherever that the bomb did NOT work. In that reality, the bomb didn't work, so they're still alive and well (er, not in Juliet's case) on the island.

Basically, it seems most people think that there are two realities - one where the bomb did not work (i.e. everyone is still on the island, Sun and Lapidis are probably still there in 2007 or whatever year it was -- unless they got brought back to 1977 and I missed it). The other reality is where the bomb DID work. The island was destroyed (underwater) and the plane didn't crash.

 

[WriteDisney]

Oh, and what about the Losties that are on the island now, at the time Juliet dies and Sayid awakens from the dead? If the bomb had destroyed the island and sent it to the bottom of the ocean, why are they all still alive and kicking and walking around on the island? What time or reality is that?

Or could it be that it wasn't actually the bomb that destroyed the island, but something else that was set in motion at the same time? Maybe it's really the killing of Jacob that sets off a big war or something that destroyed the island? Did that also happen in 1977?

Ugh, now I'm getting more confused. Remember when the second plane carrying Jack, etc, (that Lapidis was flying) crashed on the island, Jack, Hurley, Kate ended up in 1977, but Sun and Lapidis ended up in some other year, didn't they? Remember they went to the Dharma compound and it was abandoned? Where are they now? Did I miss something?

I'll try and explain it as I understand it. It started with Juliet detonating the bomb. Because the future technically already happened in the first, original storyline, it couldn't change. Whatever happened, happened. Like Miles said last season. They were drilling at the swan and hit a pocket of energy, causing the button pushing, causing Desmond not to push the button, etc. Those things already happened so they can't be changed.

BUT if you believe in alternate realities, then you could change it but it would create an alternate timeline. In the first timeline things don't change, becuase it already happened (at least the past). But it doesn't mean it can't create another timeline.

SO for example. Kate can't die in 1976 because we know shes alive in 2007 so she technically couldn't die since she has to be alive in 2007. That's how she ended up in the tree.

I'm not sure if that makes sense scientifically, but its what I tell myself so I don't go completely crazy.

ETA: I must have missed it, but did Jin say something about a headache like he had with the time travel? (in the original story line.. 2007) So maybe there alive because they time traveled to 2007? But why? Could they time travel again then? Still not completely sure I understand how they ended up in 2007?

 

[Mrs.Toad]

They're all on the same time now.

In 2007? OK, I guess that makes sense if they all jumped. I was thinking Juliet couldn't have been trapped under all that metal for 30 years , but they all could have jumped to 2007. But then they are still on an island that is supposed to be on the bottom of the ocean.

The people alive and kicking on the island are in the alternate reality or wherever that the bomb did NOT work. In that reality, the bomb didn't work, so they're still alive and well (er, not in Juliet's case) on the island.

Basically, it seems most people think that there are two realities - one where the bomb did not work (i.e. everyone is still on the island, Sun and Lapidis are probably still there in 2007 or whatever year it was -- unless they got brought back to 1977 and I missed it). The other reality is where the bomb DID work. The island was destroyed (underwater) and the plane didn't crash.

Hmm. Having two realities doesn't make sense to me. (Not that this is a show that normally does! ). I mean that in the sense that in one universe, the bomb goes off and in the other, it doesn't. Seems to me the bomb either went off or it didn't. Whatever happened, it did cause (or at least set in motion other events to cause) the destruction of the island and Oceanic 815 not to crash. But since the flashbacks and flashforwards were based in the same reality, it seems the flash-sideways would be too.

Maybe I'm going against the grain, but I don't think the bomb is what sent the island to the bottom of the ocean. Something else is going to happen.

I'll try and explain it as I understand it. It started with Juliet detonating the bomb. Because the future technically already happened in the first, original storyline, it couldn't change. Whatever happened, happened. Like Miles said last season. They were drilling at the swan and hit a pocket of energy, causing the button pushing, causing Desmond not to push the button, etc. Those things already happened so they can't be changed.

BUT if you believe in alternate realities, then you could change it but it would create an alternate timeline. In the first timeline things don't change, becuase it already happened (at least the past). But it doesn't mean it can't create another timeline.

SO for example. Kate can't die in 1976 because we know shes alive in 2007 so she technically couldn't die since she has to be alive in 2007. That's how she ended up in the tree.

I'm not sure if that makes sense scientifically, but its what I tell myself so I don't go completely crazy.

OK, I agree with you to a point. Assuming Sawyer, Kate, etc, weren't killed by the bomb, it sets up an alternate timeline. (I like that -- it's the timeline that's different, not the reality). So they go about their business on the island, even though they are on Oceanic 815 in another timeline, not crashing and landing in L.A. (ETA: well, the alternate timeline is there whether they are killed by the bomb or not. I agree, what happened, happened).

I do think Kate could die in 1976, though, because it's the alternate timeline Kate, the one that came back in time from 2007. Farraday died in, what was that, the 50's? When his own mother shot him before (to her) he was even born.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Oh, and how about the blood on Jack's neck in the airplane bathroom? Wonder what that was about?

And both Desmond and Jack's dad/coffin disappearing off the plane. Did they get sucked out of the plane, like Jack, Hurley, etc off the Ajira flight?

 

[WBAC]

Did anyone catch when Flocke told Ben that Locke was the only one that wanted to stay on the island because it was special blah.. blah.. blah? Rose did not want to leave either becuase it cured her. When they showed Rose and Bernard last season, they admitted they had purposely hid from everyone else including fellow passengers and others when "the fit hit the san".

On another note my DH decided he would START watching Lost last night. After questioning during veiw time me and the kids have banned him from the room when new shows are on. I cant wait to get season 6 on dvd and start all over again!

 

[RadioNate]

In 2007? OK, I guess that makes sense if they all jumped. I was thinking Juliet couldn't have been trapped under all that metal for 30 years , but they all could have jumped to 2007. But then they are still on an island that is supposed to be on the bottom of the ocean.

they all jumped to 2007 when the Ajera flight landed. Jin said they time traveled (headache/flash of white light.) Jacob told Hurley that he died "10 minutes" ago. He was killed in 2007 after Ben returned on the Ajera flight.

Hmm. Having two realities doesn't make sense to me. (Not that this is a show that normally does! ). I mean that in the sense that in one universe, the bomb goes off and in the other, it doesn't. Seems to me the bomb either went off or it didn't. Whatever happened, it did cause (or at least set in motion other events to cause) the destruction of the island and Oceanic 815 not to crash. But since the flashbacks and flashforwards were based in the same reality, it seems the flash-sideways would be too.

Maybe I'm going against the grain, but I don't think the bomb is what sent the island to the bottom of the ocean. Something else is going to happen.


OK, I agree with you to a point. Assuming Sawyer, Kate, etc, weren't killed by the bomb, it sets up an alternate timeline. (I like that -- it's the timeline that's different, not the reality). So they go about their business on the island, even though they are on Oceanic 815 in another timeline, not crashing and landing in L.A. (ETA: well, the alternate timeline is there whether they are killed by the bomb or not. I agree, what happened, happened).

I do think Kate could die in 1976, though, because it's the alternate timeline Kate, the one that came back in time from 2007. Farraday died in, what was that, the 50's? When his own mother shot him before (to her) he was even born.

2 timelines but not exactly alternate universes. When the bomb went off in 1977 the timelines diverged. Timeline 1 is what we saw and what the on-island losties are on...like WriteDisney said. What ever happened, happened.

Timeline 2 we pick up when Oceanic 815 lands at LAX in 2004. We don't know what happened on timeline 2 between the 1977 bomb and the 2004 landing. It is logical that some things changed and others stayed the same as what we saw on timeline 1. All we've seen of Timeline 2 is what we saw last night. The flashbacks and flashforwards from seasons 1-5 were all on timeline 1. At least the ones after 1977 were.

Now SOME of them could also be on timeline 2 but we don't have that info yet.

 

[Jennasis]

I just assumed that the bomb "blew" the Losties out of 1977 and back into the present. I also assumed that they arrived in the present at the same time (or ten minutes after) Jacob was stabbed.

So in the one timeline, everyone is back in the same time.

And I don't like the term "flash sideways" because the two timelines are not runningat the same point in time, ie 8pm on tuesday Jan 2 2010)

 

[BeautyluvsBeast]

Lurker here. Did anybody catch what the flight attendant said, when they were at the Temple, that Jack, Kate, Hurley were on the FIRST plane flight 815. And what was on that piece of paper inside the Ankh (sp)? He asked what their names were. I'm getting a head ache just thinking about it, but wasn't it in season 2 or 3 when Ben told Walt's dad Michael to lure them to him because their names were on a list. I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I need to watch it again.

 

[GoodFairies]

Yes, what was pulled out of the ankh was the infamous "Jacob's List."

I think Cindy just mentioned they were on her plane to show she recognized them. I don't remember her saying anything about first flight.

 

[LuvBaloo]

Speaking as a west coaster, I think you east coast folks should be able to discuss the show right away. I just don't come on here after the show has started in your time zone. Its not fair to make you all wait when you're so pumped after watching the show

I thought Jacob was taking over Sayid's body, which was why Jacob told Hurley to take him to the temple. I think the water wasn't clear because Jacob had been killed.

they all jumped to 2007 when the Ajera flight landed. Jin said they time traveled (headache/flash of white light.) Jacob told Hurley that he died "10 minutes" ago. He was killed in 2007 after Ben returned on the Ajera flight.

2 timelines but not exactly alternate universes. When the bomb went off in 1977 the timelines diverged. Timeline 1 is what we saw and what the on-island losties are on...like WriteDisney said. What ever happened, happened.

Timeline 2 we pick up when Oceanic 815 lands at LAX in 2004. We don't know what happened on timeline 2 between the 1977 bomb and the 2004 landing. It is logical that some things changed and others stayed the same as what we saw on timeline 1. All we've seen of Timeline 2 is what we saw last night. The flashbacks and flashforwards from seasons 1-5 were all on timeline 1. At least the ones after 1977 were.

Now SOME of them could also be on timeline 2 but we don't have that info yet.

This is how I interpreted it as well. Alternate version where things are different (Hurley being lucky). It did seem to me that Jack was semi-aware (subconscious level) of the differences. I was impressed with the number of actors they managed to get back on the plane going into LAX.
I think in the alternate version, Sawyer is going to attempt to con Hurley.

I hope Sun and Jin get to be reunited on the island soon, at least they are finally in the same time again.

I think smokie/Locke is going to take Richard to the the temple and attempt to get in there. I think the Temple people are expecting that which is why we saw them putting the ash down around the temple.

 

[caribear]

Lurker here. Did anybody catch what the flight attendant said, when they were at the Temple, that Jack, Kate, Hurley were on the FIRST plane flight 815. And what was on that piece of paper inside the Ankh (sp)? He asked what their names were. I'm getting a head ache just thinking about it, but wasn't it in season 2 or 3 when Ben told Walt's dad Michael to lure them to him because their names were on a list. I wonder if that has anything to do with it. I need to watch it again.

Dh and I believe it is "the list" metioned in the earlier seasons. As far as Sayid goes.....the man told Jack that putting Sayid in the water had "consequences" or something like that. I think Sayid will be different in some way. I was thinking that maybe he might have seen the "future" or rather the alternate timeline as I believe Juliet saw as she lay dying...maybe Sayid knows the bomb worked and the plane did not crash...but no one believe him....

Did anyone notice that the statue of the foot during the underwater scene had a huge chain (maybe a lock) around it????