LOST - Last Season (NO SPOILERS)

[bicker]

Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof were on Jimmy Kimmel Tuesday night, and announced the air date for the finale will be Sunday, May 23.

Which poses a quandary, demonstrated here:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch.aspx?id=lost_abc&view=listings

3/30/10 (Tu.) 9:00 PM ABC (#610) N/A

and

5/23/10 (Su.) 9:00 PM ABC (#617/618) N/A

with seven weeks in between, but apparently only six hours of Lost to show.

I'm going to bet that 4/20/10 is a clip-show.

 

[Disney1fan2002]

I don't know if this will help anyone, but on the 11pm news last night, they had a clip of the producers explaining the show this season. One of them said they've had "flashbacks", "flashforwards" and now "flash-sideways"

Why does Jack seem to be the only one who senses things? The others don't seem to have a clue that they know each other, but Jack seems to feel something.

So, are they showing us the "flash-sideways" to show us what would have happened to them had the plane not crashed?

Why wasn't Shannon on the plane???

So many more questions!!!!!!

 

[happygirl]

I thought maybe they were going to start bring closeure to things NOPE lol, Ihave more question now then ever. I can't believe it's over in May

 

[Jennasis]

I don't know if this will help anyone, but on the 11pm news last night, they had a clip of the producers explaining the show this season. One of them said they've had "flashbacks", "flashforwards" and now "flash-sideways"

Why does Jack seem to be the only one who senses things? The others don't seem to have a clue that they know each other, but Jack seems to feel something.

So, are they showing us the "flash-sideways" to show us what would have happened to them had the plane not crashed?

Why wasn't Shannon on the plane???

So many more questions!!!!!!

Pardon me, but Jack doesn't "sense" anything. He thinks he knows Desmond because he DOES. They met while Jack was out joggin up and down the steps of some stadium while he was worried about the surgery he hd done his wife (the blond) years ago.

This is an alternate reality, so Shannon didn't get on the plane (and I think originally they killed her off because of some dispute with the actress, so naturally they wouldn't bring her character back).

 

[EeyoreFan1]

I don't know if this will help anyone, but on the 11pm news last night, they had a clip of the producers explaining the show this season. One of them said they've had "flashbacks", "flashforwards" and now "flash-sideways"

Why does Jack seem to be the only one who senses things? The others don't seem to have a clue that they know each other, but Jack seems to feel something.

So, are they showing us the "flash-sideways" to show us what would have happened to them had the plane not crashed?

Why wasn't Shannon on the plane???

So many more questions!!!!!!

I was completely clueless! I'm happy that the smoke monster mystery was solved..but I dont really understand who "The man in black/creepy Locke" is.. We only saw him once before this, right?

And Jack DEFINITELY knows somethings going on while on the un-crashed 815.. Too weird.

Bringing Juliet back just to die in Sawyer's arms was incredibly cruel and heartbreaking...but I'm glad they did. I'm glad we got to see her alive one last time. At first I hated Juliet..but then I thought she was harmless..and then she became one of my favorites. After all the show has put Sawyer through (from losing his parents, to the island in general, losing Kate, etc) you'd think they would have let him have his happily ever after with Juliet! Ugh. I have a feeling there won't be many "snappy one-liners" from him this season. He'll be too depressed. Poor boy.


ETA- Not a main character- but does anyone remember Nikki and Paulo? The two that died over diamonds and were essentially buried alive? I wonder if they were on the plane..I didnt really look.

 

[Amy]

They are in parallel universes....the one that would have happened if the plane did not crash....and the one that did happen on the island. Although it was different on the plane with Hugo saying he was the luckiest man in the world and nothing ever happens to him.....then Rose comforting Jack instead of Jack comforting Rose....and I liked the interaction between Locke and Boone....that if anything did happen Boone would stick with Locke. Great stuff!!

When Sawyer went in the hole to rescue Juliet she says to him something like "We will have to get together for a cup of coffee sometime...we'll go dutch" then they kiss and she says " I have to tell you something very important...." and dies. So Miles listens to her and he tells James she wanted to say "It did work." Juliet knew that she meets Sawyer again...or rather in the time frame when the plane did not crash and they landed at LAX. Maybe she is in some type of "middle place" not yet reached heaven..but knows she is dying and can "see" her past life...she knows they do meet at some point. I think we will see them meet one another at some point in the "plane did not crash" universe...

This kind of makes sense (as if anything makes sense on Lost. My DH thinks that they're doing it kind of like "It's A Wonderful Life" - showing what happened because they (well, Juliet) detonated the bomb, and what would have happened if they hadn't.

The way I see it, like Juliet said - it worked. They detonated the bomb back in 1977, so they changed the past. The island was destroyed - that's the only reason I can think why they showed the island at the bottom of the ocean. They're showing the Losties' lives as 815 never crashed. The stuff still happening on the island is "unfinished business" for the island before the island can cross over.

 

[torinsmom]

I know Sayid only said one phrase when he came back to life, but it didn't sound like him at all to me--I didn't hear his accent.

I think they brought Juliet back to have Myles hear what she said about the plan working. Maybe one of the other others will drag her into the temple next week. I kinda hope not, because I don't like her character much. Maybe Juliet will become Jacob?

Also, the evil smoke guy was alive when he used a duplicate of peoples' bodies. Since Jacob is now dead, maybe its different and he will need the actual body.

 

[EeyoreFan1]

I know Sayid only said one phrase when he came back to life, but it didn't sound like him at all to me--I didn't hear his accent.

I think they brought Juliet back to have Myles hear what she said about the plan working. Maybe one of the other others will drag her into the temple next week. I kinda hope not, because I don't like her character much. Maybe Juliet will become Jacob?

Also, the evil smoke guy was alive when he used a duplicate of peoples' bodies. Since Jacob is now dead, maybe its different and he will need the actual body.

I didn't notice an accent either, but if he was just...dead...maybe his voice is a little rasp?

I don't think Juliet would become Jacob. I think if anyone, it's Sayid. That's why DeadJacob told Hurley to bring him to the temple.

Evil smoke GUY? You mean the man in black? That part really confuses me. I think I missed something dealing with them, and all of the egyptian stuff.

 

[Amy]

I know Sayid only said one phrase when he came back to life, but it didn't sound like him at all to me--I didn't hear his accent.

I think they brought Juliet back to have Myles hear what she said about the plan working. Maybe one of the other others will drag her into the temple next week. I kinda hope not, because I don't like her character much. Maybe Juliet will become Jacob?

Also, the evil smoke guy was alive when he used a duplicate of peoples' bodies. Since Jacob is now dead, maybe its different and he will need the actual body.

I don't think there will be anything more with Juliet.

I don't understand what you're saying about Evil Smoke Guy - he's the man in black we saw last season. I think he appeared in other dead bodies - Jack's dad (all the times we saw Christian on the island), Eko's brother, I'll bet he was even that black horse that Kate saw, Dave (Hurley's friend from the mental hospial). He never appeared as Locke until after Ben killed Locke.

 

[mill4023]

I didn't notice an accent either, but if he was just...dead...maybe his voice is a little rasp?

I don't think Juliet would become Jacob. I think if anyone, it's Sayid. That's why DeadJacob told Hurley to bring him to the temple.

Evil smoke GUY? You mean the man in black? That part really confuses me. I think I missed something dealing with them, and all of the egyptian stuff.

I don't think you missed anything. As far as I can remember, we only saw him in one scene, when he was sitting on the beach with Jacob.

 

[Heidict]

So excited it's back!!! Poor Sawyer, having to see Juliette die twice. I felt so bad for him and was hoping that she would make it if for no other reason then I don't want Kate pushing up on him. Ugh, I still don't like her. Was hoping that it would change after not seeing the show for 9 months or so, but nope. Still wish she would fall off a cliff.

After last night, I'm more confused then ever. So, bad John is the Man in Black who is Smokie?

We all know how Ben changed when he was brought to the temple and saved (i'm assuming the same way that Sayid was) so......does that mean that Sayid is going to become mean like Ben? Well, he wasn't exactly a pussycat before, but you know what I mean.

OKay, one thing that drove me crazy last night. When they had Sayid in the water he was stuggling and obviously drowning. They pull him out and the guy says that he is dead. Jack, The Doctor, then goes over and proceeds to do CPR. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he wanna turn Sayid on his side and try to clear his lungs of the water first? Kinda hard to take in air when your lungs are full of water, right?

Too much to process from last night. My brain hurts.

 

[torinsmom]

I don't think there will be anything more with Juliet.

I don't understand what you're saying about Evil Smoke Guy - he's the man in black we saw last season. I think he appeared in other dead bodies - Jack's dad (all the times we saw Christian on the island), Eko's brother, I'll bet he was even that black horse that Kate saw, Dave (Hurley's friend from the mental hospial). He never appeared as Locke until after Ben killed Locke.

A PP had mentioned that in past, the man in black had not "used" the body of the dead person he was appearing as. He simply duplicated the body. Locke is one example, another was Ecko's brother, since he was only bones at the time, right? The man in black and Jacob seem to be same type of being, so you would expect that Sayid's body would be duplicated if Jacob took it over. I was just saying that maybe the rules changed when Jacob was killed, and since JACOB is dead, he needs the whole physical body to replace his physical body.

 

[gometros]

I'm thinking there are 2 time lines going on right now. Why? I have no clue

Parallel timelines; one as if the bomb didn't work and one if it did. But what's interesting is that in the second timelines, all the survivors are having problems - Kate is still in custody and now a fugitive, Jin and Sun are being questioned by customs, the airlines lost Jack's father, Charlie got caught with his drugs. Yet, Hurley is having the opposite reaction. Where previously he was all bad luck, now he's the luckiest guy in the world. I think Hurley is a much more central character than we realize and that will come out as the season progresses.

I think so too, Juliet knows she's going to see Sawyer again.

As someone already mentioned, Miles ssid that she said "it worked". Which means she knows something about what's going on.

Pardon me, but Jack doesn't "sense" anything. He thinks he knows Desmond because he DOES. They met while Jack was out joggin up and down the steps of some stadium while he was worried about the surgery he hd done his wife (the blond) years ago.

This is an alternate reality, so Shannon didn't get on the plane (and I think originally they killed her off because of some dispute with the actress, so naturally they wouldn't bring her character back).

The only altered part of the reality is what happens after the plane was supposed to crash. Shannon would still be on the plane, but I suspect since they couldn't bring Maggie Grace back, they just ignored her lack of presence. Maybe she was flirting with some guy in coach

 

[Mrs.Toad]

After last night, I'm more confused then ever. So, bad John is the Man in Black who is Smokie?

Yes, I think that's what they showed us last night. But didn't Ben say sometime last season (or the season before??) that smokie was the security system? So before inhabiting Locke's body, the guy in black was the island's security system? That's got me confused now. But I guess even though he and Jacob hated each other, they could have both wanted to protect the island.

OKay, one thing that drove me crazy last night. When they had Sayid in the water he was stuggling and obviously drowning. They pull him out and the guy says that he is dead. Jack, The Doctor, then goes over and proceeds to do CPR. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he wanna turn Sayid on his side and try to clear his lungs of the water first? Kinda hard to take in air when your lungs are full of water, right?

I was thinking the exact same thing! Duh, Jack!

 

[GoodFairies]

It made sense that they would kill off Juliet for good, after all, she can't be on two shows at once.

We don't have alternate realities where the bomb worked and where the bomb didn't. The bomb did work, period. The Losties just don't understand the way that it worked. The bomb stopped the loop.

So here are my mysteries from last night's show:

1. Miles seemed to "hear" something from Sayid while Sayid was dead. Wonder what it was...
2. Why was the spring water brown and yet seemed to work on Sayid when the Asian leader guy thought it wouldn't (I guess based on his cut hand not healing or something).
3. Where is the "home" that MIB/Faux Locke/Smokey wants to get back to?

I think it would be fun (maybe, lol) to track our mysteries this season.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Parallel timelines; one as if the bomb didn't work and one if it did. But what's interesting is that in the second timelines, all the survivors are having problems - Kate is still in custody and now a fugitive, Jin and Sun are being questioned by customs, the airlines lost Jack's father, Charlie got caught with his drugs. Yet, Hurley is having the opposite reaction. Where previously he was all bad luck, now he's the luckiest guy in the world. I think Hurley is a much more central character than we realize and that will come out as the season progresses.



As someone already mentioned, Miles ssid that she said "it worked". Which means she knows something about what's going on.



The only altered part of the reality is what happens after the plane was supposed to crash. Shannon would still be on the plane, but I suspect since they couldn't bring Maggie Grace back, they just ignored her lack of presence. Maybe she was flirting with some guy in coach

I noticed the same thing. Most of the Losties are probably better of on the island (in some respects). Sun and Jin were also having marital problems. Remember, she had learned English and was planning to leave him in L.A.? They found their love again on the island. Rose had been sick with something (cancer, maybe? I don't remember if they had ever said, exactly) and she was cured on the island.

I agree with your last paragraph, that Shannon should be on that plane, since the alternate reality doesn't start until the time of the plane crash. (But yea, it's got to do with the actress situation). So I really don't get Hurley's comment about being the luckiest guy in the world. I don't think he had said it sarcastically. Did his past really change and he hadn't had all that bad luck from the numbers?

 

[WriteDisney]

I noticed the same thing. Most of the Losties are probably better of on the island (in some respects). Sun and Jin were also having marital problems. Remember, she had learned English and was planning to leave him in L.A.? They found their love again on the island. Rose had been sick with something (cancer, maybe? I don't remember if they had ever said, exactly) and she was cured on the island.

I agree with your last paragraph, that Shannon should be on that plane, since the alternate reality doesn't start until the time of the plane crash. (But yea, it's got to do with the actress situation). So I really don't get Hurley's comment about being the luckiest guy in the world. I don't think he had said it sarcastically. Did his past really change and he hadn't had all that bad luck from the numbers?

No, I think the alternate reality started in 1976 (?) when Juliet detonated the bomb. When she detonated it everything changed. I think the alternate storyline will show that many things changed after that happened, not just the plane crashing.

Not that time traveling islands ever really "make sense." But I this makes more sense then JUST the plane not crashing. More than just that would happen if a bomb was detonated where it wasn't suppose to. The island sunk under water, that changed. I think its going to have a ripple effect over the years.

Boone did mention Shannon. He said he tried to save her from a bad relationship (like season one) but apparently she wanted to be in it or she didn't need saving or something. And another big change is that alot of the tailies weren't on the plane. I don't even think we know for sure that Claire was on the plane.

I was REALLY happy to see what happened to the kids from the tail section at the temple and the stewardess. That was one of the things that bugged me about season 2 and its nice to have closure on that.

My theory is that these two "realities" are going to merge somehow.

ETA: What does everyone make of Flocke (fake locke)? Is he the smoke monster? I know we're led to believe he is but I think after watching this show for so many years I've learned that unless I actually see something happen (like someone dying) then it still might not be true. I think I have to actually see Flocke turn into smokey to believe it. But maybe there saving it for later.

 

[WriteDisney]

Now there are 3 Johns. Dead John, airplane John and creepy smoke monster John.

Unless airplane John IS (or later turns into) creepy smoke monster John. And then dead John is just dead John.

But how depressing would that be?

 

[wdhinn89]

No, I think the alternate reality started in 1976 (?) when Juliet detonated the bomb. When she detonated it everything changed. I think the alternate storyline will show that many things changed after that happened, not just the plane crashing.

I don't know if I agree with that. Wouldn't Jacks dad have died earlier then and Claire may not have been pregnant then or have a reason to go to LA

 

[juligrl]

I like this theory my husband floated about evil smoke guy. When he was going on about how everyone else wanted to get off the island and go home, except for Locke, he said how it was ironic that he was in Locke's body cause going home was the one thing he wanted to do but couldn't. Could Smokie be a fallen angel?