Looks like Universal win this round

Oh my! I just do not agree with blanket statements like this. We couldn't even fit in nearly all the stuff we wanted to do at EP this month, not just talking about eating either, and we had a base day ticket just for EP that day, and got there before the rope drop and stayed til closing. We most definitely buy single days to EP, and have many years.

Don't get me wrong either, because like you, I do love riding Mummy and love T3D and a lot that Universal offers, but I wouldn't say they are winning across the board since they have half alienated guests like us with the recent directions they went. HP makes me uncomfortable and I feel like its frankly getting harder and harder to avoid...

So my posts are just intended to show that not everything is so cut and dry and that for some of us (who used to go to Universal as much as Disney), Universal has DEFINITELY not won us over, and since 2007, all we have done is gone to Disney (with some SeaWorld)...

I am just curious but what about Harry Potter makes you so uncomfortable? Yes, I am a Potter nerd so yes that makes me biased but honestly I am just extremely curious about what it is that makes you so uncomfortable about what is basically young adult/children's fairytale book series.

I mean I could see if you were anti-magic due to religious reasons or the like but you go to Disney where there is magic, evil witches and basically the same fantasy background as Potter so that doesn't fit.

I guess I'm just confused because you've stated this in several posts but have given no reason and I can't for the life of me figure out why if it's not anti-magic thing and I'm really just curious to know the answer.:confused3
 
I am not impressed with the Fantasyland expansion overall, I don't like where they put Dumbo, I don't like the Little Mermaid ride, but I do love Be Our Guest and think it's fantastic! But I love WDW overall, it's nostaligia for me and just feeling immersed in my childhood loves and the magic of it all. I do think they can do things better when they do expansions and maintain the rides they do have. But I am actually going for a split stay this year, 3 days in Universal/5 days in WDW. I am a little taken back for the price of a 2 day park hop pass in Universal and my 3 days in Universal cost more than my 5 days in Disney! Granted, I have to stay in a moderate/high hotel at Universal and staying at a Value at Disney with no park hopper or dining plan this time around, but I was really surprised how pricey universal is and not offering the Express pass for the Cabana beach is tough. I think WDW has an overall experience but I do think also Universal has a variety of restaurants and experiences too.
 
Yeah, it was interesting to watch develop over the course of just six months.

He recently saw one of the Universal Orlando ads on TV and exclaimed "Harry Potter! Can we go?"

Not long after that, the new WDW 7DMT ad played. Not a word out of him.

Now that's just my little micro-view of things. But if that is indicative of a longer macro-view, I'd be concerned if I were Disney.

Speaking of that 7DMT commercial. Don't you love that even Disney realizes it's too slow? Because the video of the train is sped up A LOT.

-Jason
 
But I love WDW overall, it's nostaligia for me and just feeling immersed in my childhood loves and the magic of it all.

That's the problem though, that's your nostalgia and childhood, not the current generations. When they get to be 40 Snow White is not going to be their nostalgia, a large portion of them will have never seen it. They will be nostalgic for Harry Potter and Star Wars (which Disney NEVER capitalized on)

I don't want to see Disney get rid of all the classics, keep them but the new expansion has to incorporate today's youth not the youth that was around when Walt was.

If they had done with Star Wars what Universal did with Harry Potter then people would be throwing their money at them. Built a whole Star Wars area, they could have fantastic thrill rides, a few slower family rides, they could have had the Cantina with the aliens playing for the restaurant, etc the list goes on and on but what do they do? Build a Snow white ride that 3/4ths of the kids today can't name 4 dwarfs and another Dumbo, oh and Avotarland over a briefly talked about movie with no fan base.
 

I am a huge Star Wars fan and I love Jedi Mickey. Ewok Chip and Dale are my favorites. *shrug*

I also love Hogsmeade and can't wait to visit Diagon Alley. I have APs for both parks.
 
That's the problem though, that's your nostalgia and childhood, not the current generations. When they get to be 40 Snow White is not going to be their nostalgia, a large portion of them will have never seen it. They will be nostalgic for Harry Potter and Star Wars (which Disney NEVER capitalized on)

I don't want to see Disney get rid of all the classics, keep them but the new expansion has to incorporate today's youth not the youth that was around when Walt was.

If they had done with Star Wars what Universal did with Harry Potter then people would be throwing their money at them. Built a whole Star Wars area, they could have fantastic thrill rides, a few slower family rides, they could have had the Cantina with the aliens playing for the restaurant, etc the list goes on and on but what do they do? Build a Snow white ride that 3/4ths of the kids today can't name 4 dwarfs and another Dumbo, oh and Avotarland over a briefly talked about movie with no fan base.

When I was at MK this week, I saw a BUNCH of kids having a blast on SDMT. IDK if they know Snow White or the dwarfs, but that didn't stop them from having fun on the ride. Why should it? How many kids today know what Splash Mountain is based on, but they love that ride regardless.

And re: Avatarland, if it's done well, I don't know if it'll matter that some people didn't like the movie. I never saw it, have no intentions to, and I think the concept art looks amazing. It all comes down whether or not they follow through.

And so I'm not off topic, I absolutely LOVE everything Universal is doing, and I think competition is a good thing. It's not about "either/or". It's both.
 
I am just curious but what about Harry Potter makes you so uncomfortable? Yes, I am a Potter nerd so yes that makes me biased but honestly I am just extremely curious about what it is that makes you so uncomfortable about what is basically young adult/children's fairytale book series.

I mean I could see if you were anti-magic due to religious reasons or the like but you go to Disney where there is magic, evil witches and basically the same fantasy background as Potter so that doesn't fit.

I guess I'm just confused because you've stated this in several posts but have given no reason and I can't for the life of me figure out why if it's not anti-magic thing and I'm really just curious to know the answer.:confused3

Hi, thanks for asking! Just to be clear, my reason for stating it is so that it's not a given that Universal has beaten the competition with its latest expansions. We liked USO before (BIIIGGG fans of MIB! what what!), and now we haven't been as interested in going back. I don't make a big deal of saying what I think about it (other than that is makes us uncomfortable) because it's only my personal preference and it does not reflect everyone's opinion, as I know.

But since you asked and since we are having a nice grown up conversation, and since you are sincerely interested in my point of view, than I don't mind sharing it. As long as you know that it's purely a personal point of view, and no cause for argument. Like I said, I have to be selective with Disney too. I walked out of Princess and the Frog. :( So funny with the cajun fireflies, but too much with the voodoo so called friends on the other side. I still like the New Orleans part of the music and Tiana, but I can cut out the rest (including turning off the TV etc). I can do that easier with Disney than I can with a series whose premise is based on heroes at a school of witchcraft, making incantations and flying around on brooms. It does make it worse for me personally when the heroes are the witches, as opposed to the villains (its just a message thing there, I guess. Normally, the good triumphs the evil witch etc.) I won't be watching Maleficent, I haven't seen Powerful Oz, and I alter my Disney cruise shows too to make sure I skip the parts that have underworld zombie spirits etc.

I feel equally as uncomfortable with LOTR stuff, I try to avoid Fantastia and sorcerer mickey as much as possible. That still leaves me a bit of leeway with Pocahontas, Mulan and Lion King (yes, I know they aren't perfect either), but I still feel like I can maintain a modicum of conscience with series like Bug's Life, Toy Story, Wall*E, Incredibles, Monsters Inc (basically all the Pixar stuff is less magicy and just fun!), all the EPCOT stuff, most of the MK stuff (throw out Haunted Mansion which is a big difference from the sci-fi creepiness of Tower of Terror 6th dimension stuff versus spirits sitting in your vehicle), just about all of the AK stuff (I can ride Everest without any conflict of conscience easily, Dinosaur too), and pretty much most if not all HS. I was glad when Fantasmic changed its tone to include a lot more of the Indians and canoes and princesses on floats and a lot less of the dragon.

I still intend to go to Universal Hollywood (they said HP won't arrive until 2016?) if I can next year, but as a person who loves rides, if a lot of the big rides are themed in a way that makes me uncomfortable, I have to decide if its worth paying the same as I would at Disney (Because they are all basically $99 a day now pretty much.) Do I go to Disney and ride an Aerosmith themed Roller Coaster or do I pay the same at USO only to possibly end up skipping a Harry Potter roller coaster so I don't feel bad about my choice later? I can tell you which makes me happier for my dollar. On the other hand, out West, I can ride Simpsons, Minions, Transformers and more (at least in 2015) without having to either go on a ride that I feel bad bad about, or sitting it out. That's why I'd rather go to a park that isn't so HP focused. It doesn't mean I won't ever to go USO, it just means I will be conflicted when I get there.

On the surface, I know that it seems easy to compare Disney and HP, but to me, they are not the same. I have great happy music to sing about the Bear Necessities, or Rapunzel cleaning up her tower, or You Gotta Friend in Me. I have no such happy sing songs from HP? And even Frozen was less magic-y than other movies have been, with her basically being a Norweigian version of Storm (from Marvel). On the other hand, if Disney comes out with a Day of The Dead movie (as I heard rumors), well you know exactly where I stand there... but at least there will always be World Show Case, SSE and all the other Space Tie ins like Space Mountain and Mission Space, Nemo, Cars, so on and so on...

So I hope that helps? I know its not cut and dry and does have some grey areas, but my line gets drawn at vampires, kids killing each other in televised games, zombies, and heroic witches flying around on broomsticks.

I like the kid that plays HP though, he's a cutie!
 
If they had done with Star Wars what Universal did with Harry Potter then people would be throwing their money at them. Built a whole Star Wars area, they could have fantastic thrill rides, a few slower family rides, they could have had the Cantina with the aliens playing for the restaurant, etc the list goes on and on but what do they do? Build a Snow white ride that 3/4ths of the kids today can't name 4 dwarfs and another Dumbo, oh and Avotarland over a briefly talked about movie with no fan base.

I agree! Let's get both!
 
To the previous comment which I can't quote for some reason...I respect your opinions on those things, probably share a few myself...But I wouldn't put LOTR in the same group as the things you mentioned, including HP. (At least the books) jmho
 
TwinPrincessMermaids, you can really easily skip the HP sections in both parts and not have to feel bad about it. At USF, all of Diagon Alley is concealed behind a facade of London, which you could just walk by. So you can still enjoy Transformers, Despicable Me, and Simpsons :) At IOA it's the same way, you can completely bypass HP by taking the bridge from Lost Continent to Jurassic Park. There's still so much to enjoy at both parks without having to see things you don't want to.
 
To the previous comment which I can't quote for some reason...I respect your opinions on those things, probably share a few myself...But I wouldn't put LOTR in the same group as the things you mentioned, including HP. (At least the books) jmho

I know others that take one view or the other of LOTR. It seems to be one of those middle grounds, I suppose. I haven't read the books, but what I've seen of the movies for my part was crossing beyond my personal comfort level. Hobbits are cute, but what they have to fight is the stuff of nightmares. Another strictly personal take.
 
I know others that take one view or the other of LOTR. It seems to be one of those middle grounds, I suppose. I haven't read the books, but what I've seen of the movies for my part was crossing beyond my personal comfort level. Hobbits are cute, but what they have to fight is the stuff of nightmares. Another strictly personal take.

I agree the LOTR movies are a totally different thing. I was comparing the LOTR books to HP in terms of theme and message etc.
 
TwinPrincessMermaids, you can really easily skip the HP sections in both parts and not have to feel bad about it. At USF, all of Diagon Alley is concealed behind a facade of London, which you could just walk by. So you can still enjoy Transformers, Despicable Me, and Simpsons :) At IOA it's the same way, you can completely bypass HP by taking the bridge from Lost Continent to Jurassic Park. There's still so much to enjoy at both parks without having to see things you don't want to.

Thanks! I appreciate that. I'm sure we will be back, its just that for us, WDW has done way more to reel us in (I LOOVVE Belle's storytime! And the new Star Tours update, etc. etc), and it seems like USO has just advertised HP HP HP (with a few minions in there.)

I'm curious, at USO, do I end up missing roller coasters at IOA or is it basically just sets and themes that I will be passing up?

Eventually, we will want to get back on MIB too, but we can ride most of what you described out at Hollywood next year without dealing with IOA. I get that there is more than HP there (we used to go often, and even skipped WDW for a few yrs in favor of USO), but you sure wouldn't know it based on the way people talk about USO and based on their advertising!

I did price out USO for our trip in May, but it just cost so much now... (as opposed to when we could get a week unlimited for $80!!! Can you believe that deal? They earned my business then! Now I guess they don't have to because people will pay for it, but now I would have to pay more for their upgrades, some of which I would feel compelled to avoid...)
 
There are three rides in the current HP area, Dragon Challenge, Forbidden Journey and Flight of the Hippogriff. So if you bypass that section, those are the rides you'd miss
 
Boy, I think had this wrong. I thought it was all in one park.

Is Harry Potter in both parks? The first part that opened is in IOA and the new part is in Universal Studios? Or is it all considered one park?

Do I need to buy tickets to both parks? I was only planning one day before our cruise to see all of Harry Potter - think I need two?
 
But I am actually going for a split stay this year, 3 days in Universal/5 days in WDW. I am a little taken back for the price of a 2 day park hop pass in Universal and my 3 days in Universal cost more than my 5 days in Disney! Granted, I have to stay in a moderate/high hotel at Universal and staying at a Value at Disney with no park hopper or dining plan this time around, but I was really surprised how pricey universal is and not offering the Express pass for the Cabana beach is tough. I think WDW has an overall experience but I do think also Universal has a variety of restaurants and experiences too.

You start out talking about ticket prices and then switch to vacation prices. While I think Universal's ticket price increase was big, I don't think it was too far out of line with Disney.

A 2 day Magic Your Way Base ticket (without out park hopping) is $188. A 2 day Universal ticket (With Park to Park), is $176. So 2 days at Universal is cheaper than 2 day at Disney even factoring in the "need" for park to park access.

Looking at your 5 days at Disney vs 3 days at Universal. You already admit your comparing Apples and Oranges. For my next vacation, I'm looking at renting out some of my DVC to use the money to stay onsite at Universal. I'll get more money renting my OKW points than it cost to stay at Cabana Bay.
 
Boy, I think had this wrong. I thought it was all in one park.

Is Harry Potter in both parks? The first part that opened is in IOA and the new part is in Universal Studios? Or is it all considered one park?

Do I need to buy tickets to both parks? I was only planning one day before our cruise to see all of Harry Potter - think I need two?

There are two parks that make up the Universal Orlando Resort - Universal Studios (the original park) and IOA. WWoHP first opened in IOA, but now there is going to be the "expansion", Diagon Alley, in Universal. You would need a hopper ticket to visit both if you only go one day. Otherwise, you'd need a 2-day ticket
 
That's the problem though, that's your nostalgia and childhood, not the current generations. When they get to be 40 Snow White is not going to be their nostalgia, a large portion of them will have never seen it. They will be nostalgic for Harry Potter and Star Wars (which Disney NEVER capitalized on)

I don't want to see Disney get rid of all the classics, keep them but the new expansion has to incorporate today's youth not the youth that was around when Walt was.

If they had done with Star Wars what Universal did with Harry Potter then people would be throwing their money at them. Built a whole Star Wars area, they could have fantastic thrill rides, a few slower family rides, they could have had the Cantina with the aliens playing for the restaurant, etc the list goes on and on but what do they do? Build a Snow white ride that 3/4ths of the kids today can't name 4 dwarfs and another Dumbo, oh and Avotarland over a briefly talked about movie with no fan base.

So you talk about this generation but then you blow off Avatarland like its nothing. I know many friends in their 20's who went to the movie 3/4/5 times and are absolutely crazy about the movie and now series (remember that was just the FIRST movie). I also know there is a pretty good cult following around the movie and with future movies coming it will likely increase.

Avatar is not meant to compete directly with Harry Potter as Harry is a PERSON and a MAIN CHARACTER. Avatar is a world / an idea/ a way of life/ a futuristic view. Harry is meant to take on Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.

Also Disney is holding all the cards right now with Star Wars. If Universal gets the rights to LOTR and builds a park Disney could match them with Star Wars and likely crush any attendance Universal was looking to grow. The worst thing Disney can do is try to rush Star Wars to the scene and be over shadowed later when an announcement of Lord of the Rings is made.

My prediction is:
X Date: Universal finally gets rights to LOTR and announces new theme park
X Date + 1: Disney announces a brand new Star Wars World that has been in the works in secret over the past years
 
I don't think Disney cares about the fact that they are losing boys. I think they are perfectly happy to have locked down the girl/princess market. It's not even just the princesses...Mickey is babyish as well but girls are more likely to still love them some Mickey, while boys don't. We all know what could change this trajectory...;)

To steer this conversation into a different direction, I also disagree whole heartedly that Disney is only courting us princesses. There are plenty of pirates, Cars & Planes, Peter Pans and Jakes, Simbas, Aladdins, Toys (LOTS of them! Soldiers, Cowboys, Spaceman), Monsters, Stitches, not to mention all of the Star Wars verse (I agree this is another everyone pleaser just like the Pixar crew, but PLENTY of little boys LOVE Star Wars) and same for Marvel Superheroes (the girls like 'em too but have you seen the lil boys as Spiderman and Ironman???) This may come as a shock, but I have even seen lil boys on our cruise singing LET IT GO. THEY LOOVVE FROZEN, and it has Olaf and Sven and Cristoff too. I'm looking forward to see all the Cars and Pixar stuff at DLR hopefully next year.

Yes, there are plenty of princesses, but there is plenty for everyone and plenty for the boys too...

(To which I think USO has done just about equally as good, as everyone seems to enjoy the Despicable, SpungeBob, Shrek and so forth franchises.)
 
To steer this conversation into a different direction, I also disagree whole heartedly that Disney is only courting us princesses. There are plenty of pirates, Cars & Planes, Peter Pans and Jakes, Simbas, Aladdins, Toys (LOTS of them! Soldiers, Cowboys, Spaceman), Monsters, Stitches, not to mention all of the Star Wars verse (I agree this is another everyone pleaser just like the Pixar crew, but PLENTY of little boys LOVE Star Wars) and same for Marvel Superheroes (the girls like 'em too but have you seen the lil boys as Spiderman and Ironman???) This may come as a shock, but I have even seen lil boys on our cruise singing LET IT GO. THEY LOOVVE FROZEN, and it has Olaf and Sven and Cristoff too. I'm looking forward to see all the Cars and Pixar stuff at DLR hopefully next year.

Yes, there are plenty of princesses, but there is plenty for everyone and plenty for the boys too...

(To which I think USO has done just about equally as good, as everyone seems to enjoy the Despicable, SpungeBob, Shrek and so forth franchises.)

That stuff you mentioned (that actually exists unlike Star Wars with the exception of Star Tours) is all for little boys, who Disney definitely has covered. I was talking about tween and teen boys, in general.
 





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