Looking to maybe join Disney Vacation Club

[Paul Stupin]

Could be, and who knows at that point who Disney will allow to book there.

Lots of speculation though to spend a lot more money today hoping that comes true.

I disagree again. Direct points bought for any DVC resort today will enable the owner to use them at the new, unbuilt DVC resorts down the line. That’s the benefit to buying direct currently. The general consensus is that Beach Club and Boardwalk will be remodeled and sold as new resorts. So if you’re a direct owner now you should be able to book these new properties at 7 months. Of course anything can change, including further restrictions on resale points.

However it all shakes out, I think it’s a fair assumption that direct points bought today will be worth more, and be usable at more resorts, than resale points after 2042. And it’s a certainty that the number of resorts at which resale points can be used at seven months will diminish after 2042.

I don’t regard this as wild speculation. Disney wants us to buy direct over resale, and they’ll continue to limit the use of resale to stack the deck in favor of direct. They’re playing the long game. And they’ll do it in ways we haven’t even thought of yet! I wouldn’t so easily dismiss buying direct.

But, again, unlike many DVC members, if you only use your points to stay at your home resort, and plan on never selling them, none of this is an issue, and resale would definitely be a far better value.

 

[Drewski77]

I disagree again. Direct points bought for any DVC resort today will enable the owner to use them at the new, unbuilt DVC resorts down the line. That’s the benefit to buying direct currently. The general consensus is that Beach Club and Boardwalk will be remodeled and sold as new resorts. So if you’re a direct owner now you should be able to book these new properties at 7 months. Of course anything can change, including further restrictions on resale points.

However it all shakes out, I think it’s a fair assumption that direct points bought today will be worth more, and be usable at more resorts, than resale points after 2042. And it’s a certainty that the number of resorts at which resale points can be used at seven months will diminish after 2042.

I don’t regard this as wild speculation. Disney wants us to buy direct over resale, and they’ll continue to limit the use of resale to stack the deck in favor of direct. They’re playing the long game. And they’ll do it in ways we haven’t even thought of yet! I wouldn’t so easily dismiss buying direct.

But, again, unlike many DVC members, if you only use your points to stay at your home resort, and plan on never selling them, none of this is an issue, and resale would definitely be a far better value.

All fair points and we’ll see how it all shakes out. And it really is up to each person as to whether or not the benefits of direct, both the guaranteed and potential ones are worth the extra cost, for many it clearly is which is great.

I will say though, for those who might sell someday, then you will take a far less hit than if you had bought direct, because all points become resale once you go to sell.

Again though, a healthy direct and resale market is ultimately good for every owner. And it’s great that so many enjoy what comes with direct points which I actually have some of as well.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Yep. $100 per point. We were looking into DVC for awhile and foun

All fair points and we’ll see how it all shakes out. And it really is up to each person as to whether or not the benefits of direct, both the guaranteed and potential ones are worth the extra cost, for many it clearly is which is great.

I will say though, for those who might sell someday, then you will take a far less hit than if you had bought direct, because all points become resale once you go to sell.

Again though, a healthy direct and resale market is ultimately good for every owner. And it’s great that so many enjoy what comes with direct points which I actually have some of as well.

Yes, totally agreed. And potential buyers might want to consider adding a few direct points, as you have, for the additional option of staying at whatever sensational new DVC resorts are built in the future.

 

[Sandisw]

DVC wouldn't be able to restrict current resale owners down the road, would they? They can obviously restrict owners of new resorts like Riviera and whatever new resorts open down the road, as well as owners who buy resale in the future. But from my understanding they can't suddenly restrict current BCV resale owners, for example, from staying at the current non-Riviera resorts...even in the future. At least until that BCV resale contract expires.

Any resale buyer today of any L14 resort will be allowed to book any other L14 resort, assuming they stay part of BVTC.

However, they are restricted from RiV and any future resorts that are built, including DL tower and most likely the resorts that BCV and BWV become in 2042.

So, until 2042, the only people shut out of the 2042 resorts right now are RIV resale. But, in 20 years, if BCV and BWV..as well as BRV…are redeveloped into new resorts, resale buyers today will be shut out. Only those with direct points will be allowed so for those buying for long term that may be important.

 

[DonMacGregor]

For me, 2042 is just another year on the calendar. I'm much more interested in what comes along after DLT. While there's no word on anything, except the "cancellation"' of Reflections, you'd be a fool to think Disney will have a DVC construction dry spell from +/- 2023 when DLT is complete, until 2042. I'm reasonably confident they won't go 20+ years (adding a year or two after 2042 to do the level of work to BCV and BWV required to sell them as "new" resorts), without building another new resort somewhere on property in Florida. THAT will come much sooner than 2042 and THOSE are the resorts I'd be interested in securing reservations at.

I think the restrictions of resale points will become an issue at another resort long before those resorts convert, likely in the next ten years or sooner.

 

[Paul Stupin]

For me, 2042 is just another year on the calendar. I'm much more interested in what comes along after DLT. While there's no word on anything, except the "cancellation"' of Reflections, you'd be a fool to think Disney will have a DVC construction dry spell from +/- 2023 when DLT is complete, until 2042. I'm reasonably confident they won't go 20+ years (adding a year or two after 2042 to do the level of work to BCV and BWV required to sell them as "new" resorts), without building another new resort somewhere on property in Florida. THAT will come much sooner than 2042 and THOSE are the resorts I'd be interested in securing reservations at.

I think the restrictions of resale points will become an issue at another resort long before those resorts convert, likely in the next ten years or sooner.

Agreed. The advantages of direct points will manifest way before 2042. Though we have no idea what availability DLT will have at 7 months, let’s assume it won’t be zero. So the resale restrictions could become more of an issue even in 2023, if you want to go to Disneyland.

 

[brazzledazzler]

I’m concerned they wouldn’t let you break it up into smaller contracts if that’s what you wanted.

This seems hinky to me. Since it really shouldn’t matter to them. We broke ours into smaller contracts in July with 0 issues.

 

[Sandisw]

This seems hinky to me. Since it really shouldn’t matter to them. We broke ours into smaller contracts in July with 0 issues.

They care because they see it as a way around the minimum. But, it’s always been that way for new memberships.

If you bought direct s a new owner in July and they didn’t require the 150 minimum then you were lucky.

Remember, this does not apply to add ons to memberships. Those can be as low as 25.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

If plan ing on traveling over Christmas holidays then copper creek or wilderness lodge is the best resort and home priority is a must or you will never get it. You must book in the 11 month window there during the Christmas season. In terms of the blue card not worth it in my opinion, but that is your call. If you buy a 300 point co tract direct break it into two 150 co tracts

 

[Drewski77]

I was just able to get a 1 bedroom at the Grand Californian for Christmas Eve with some of my SSR resale points, a great deal!

 

[limace]

They care because they see it as a way around the minimum. But, it’s always been that way for new memberships.

If you bought direct s a new owner in July and they didn’t require the 150 minimum then you were lucky.

Remember, this does not apply to add ons to memberships. Those can be as low as 25.

I hadn’t ever heard you couldn’t break that minimum purchase into smaller contracts-just that your buy in had to total the minimum.

 

[npatellye]

I hadn’t ever heard you couldn’t break that minimum purchase into smaller contracts-just that your buy in had to total the minimum.

When we bought in 2019, we were told the splitting up could only be done if one contract was at least the minimum buy in. At the time, it was only 100 points so it worked out fine for us to have two equal contracts. However, when we were thinking of buying points in a new UY this summer, we would have needed all 150 points in one contract for the new UY.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

Any resale buyer today of any L14 resort will be allowed to book any other L14 resort, assuming they stay part of BVTC.

However, they are restricted from RiV and any future resorts that are built, including DL tower and most likely the resorts that BCV and BWV become in 2042.

So, until 2042, the only people shut out of the 2042 resorts right now are RIV resale. But, in 20 years, if BCV and BWV..as well as BRV…are redeveloped into new resorts, resale buyers today will be shut out. Only those with direct points will be allowed so for those buying for long term that may be important.

Got it. I understand. I didn’t quite understand your point earlier. But even if I bought direct I would be in the same boat as resale buyers when our contract expires in 2042. Whether you are a direct or resale owner at an L14, your contract expires when it expires. If DVC does offer new BCV or BWV contracts after the current resort contracts expire, I’m sure they will open up those contracts to everyone regardless of whether you were a prior resale or direct owner. At this point, really the only people this has any effect on is Riviera owners and owners of future resorts.

My thought when I bought resale was that 22 years (at that time) is a long time away. For the huge cost savings I experienced buying resale, I am OK not staying at Riviera or any future resort that may open before my contract expires. And speculating on what resorts may open or what DVC may do with the contracts that expire in 2042 is just that…speculation. Who the heck knows what Disney and DVC will do 20 years from now. Either way, I will be in my mid-60s when my contract expires. IMO, that is the perfect time to sail off into the “DVC Sunset”. We will have gotten our money’s worth and then some, especially because we saved so much buying resale.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I was just able to get a 1 bedroom at the Grand Californian for Christmas Eve with some of my SSR resale points, a great deal!

Congrats! I check relatively frequently, and haven’t seen anything open up in December at VGC in quite a while. I wound up getting my wife and I a room for a night at the Disneyland Hotel earlier that week. We’ve never stayed there and apparently the rooms are nicely sized. Am looking forward to it!

 

[Drewski77]

Congrats! I check relatively frequently, and haven’t seen anything open up in December at VGC in quite a while. I wound up getting my wife and I a room for a night at the Disneyland Hotel earlier that week. We’ve never stayed there and apparently the rooms are nicely sized. Am looking forward to it!

It was a fluke that something opened up and we had the points, but I’ll take it! Have a great time at the Disneyland Hotel!

 

[mlayton14]

Taking a cynical view - and why shouldn’t we with current management. 20 years is a long time, impossible to accurately predict what Disney (and what travel in general will look like). For BCV, BWV, BRV, etc - there is no guarantee that these will even be DVC at that time - the trend could very easily go back to a cash only resort for these properties

 

[Sandisw]

Got it. I understand. I didn’t quite understand your point earlier. But even if I bought direct I would be in the same boat as resale buyers when our contract expires in 2042. Whether you are a direct or resale owner at an L14, your contract expires when it expires. If DVC does offer new BCV or BWV contracts after the current resort contracts expire, I’m sure they will open up those contracts to everyone regardless of whether you were a prior resale or direct owner. At this point, really the only people this has any effect on is Riviera owners and owners of future resorts.

My thought when I bought resale was that 22 years (at that time) is a long time away. For the huge cost savings I experienced buying resale, I am OK not staying at Riviera or any future resort that may open before my contract expires. And speculating on what resorts may open or what DVC may do with the contracts that expire in 2042 is just that…speculation. Who the heck knows what Disney and DVC will do 20 years from now. Either way, I will be in my mid-60s when my contract expires. IMO, that is the perfect time to sail off into the “DVC Sunset”. We will have gotten our money’s worth and then some, especially because we saved so much buying resale.

Of course they will sell new contracts to everyone. It’s about today’s points at other resort being good there in the future.

Your post is really the point I was trying to make. ResLe buyers today will be locked out of all future resorts, including any conversion of favorites like BWV, BCV.

So, just like you who thought about it..and went resale because 22 years is a long time…that aspect of owning direct was at least considered.

As already mentioned, many resorts will show up in the meantime, so it wasn’t just about 2042….that was an example of what could happen and today’s buyer should at least realize that.

It’s about direct points go beyond just using at RIV. Anyone wanting that option in the future and plan to hold for a long time, do get that benefit and that alone may outweigh the extra cost.

In your case it did not. In mine it is worth it to pay more for direct points as we do intend to own for a long time.

 

[RoseGold]

Direct points bought for any DVC resort today will enable the owner to use them at the new, unbuilt DVC resorts down the line.

Big assumption, which isn’t even promised in the current resorts. BVTC can do a lot of things. They can completely remove resorts. They can surcharge for non-home points. They don’t even need a new club to surcharge the heck out of legacy owners.

RIV has made it very clear that DVC is willing to change the model. There’s no reason RIV can’t charge 20% more points for non-home points starting tomorrow.

Buying for some theoretical future resort, obviously years away at this point, is assuming a lot that doesn’t match what you signed.

 

[Sandisw]

Big assumption, which isn’t even promised in the current resorts. BVTC can do a lot of things. They can completely remove resorts. They can surcharge for non-home points. They don’t even need a new club to surcharge the heck out of legacy owners.

RIV has made it very clear that DVC is willing to change the model. There’s no reason RIV can’t charge 20% more points for non-home points starting tomorrow.

Buying for some theoretical future resort, obviously years away at this point, is assuming a lot that doesn’t match what you signed.

Of course that is all true.. but it makes absolutely no sense for DVD to restrict points you purchase from them. Actually The RIV situation made buying direct points more valuable, not less.

We do know for sure that resale points WILL be locked out because they have shown they are willing to do things to impact and restrict resale points. Not one move has been made that restricts the use of direct points…ever.

IMO It’s just silly to make a statement that DVD would do throes things for what they will be selling.

Most of what you mention if it happens impact resale too so by that note, no one should buy DVC at all because you are correct in that what we all are guaranteed is to be able to book our home resort and only our home resort.

 

[RoseGold]

Most of what you mention if it happens impact resale too so by that note, no one should buy DVC at all.

That isnt what I said. I said buying DVC for future resorts years away, and assuming rules will be the same, is a big assumption, even under the current rules.

Heck, Disney doesn’t even have to use the existing timeshare structure at all and could make a totally new one. Riviera has made it very clear that they are willing to change.

I’m sure it’s safe to say Disney will still be glad to take your money then, if those future resorts show up!