Looking to maybe join Disney Vacation Club

[Spivey378]

Sooo much free popcorn at Aulani!

Congratulations! Nice work on welcome home stay!

Sweet! I’ll be on Oahu in March but staying at the Royal Hawaiian. I’ll have to head over to Aulani to check out this free popcorn!

 

[Paul Stupin]

I would say it’s more about the “potential” to use direct points at Riviera and other new resorts.

Direct points are still subject to the same 7 month booking availability, just at more resorts.

It often seems direct points are sold, or talked about here as if they guarantee the ability to book at all resorts which they do not.

To me it’s an expensive choice over resale for merely the potential to book a small amount of extra resorts, including only one right now.

For me, direct points, though pricey, offer a significant benefit over resale, but you do have to do your research. We happen to love the Riviera, and it’s seven month availability for the preferred view one bedroom (our favorite) is pretty good at the times of year we like to travel. And though we don’t want to own there, and aren’t wild about the resale restrictions, we do enjoy staying there on occasion.
And yes, the benefit applies to only one hotel now, but since in my opinion it’s one of the best on property, its worthwhile to us. And over time there will be additional new resorts which could very well be perceived as more desirable places to stay than the older DVC properties.
The bulk of the contracts I own are resale, since they are better deals. But it’s also worth considering some direct points for the newer properties.

 

[Drewski77]

For me, direct points, though pricey, offer a significant benefit over resale, but you do have to do your research. We happen to love the Riviera, and it’s seven month availability for the preferred view one bedroom (our favorite) is pretty good at the times of year we like to travel. And though we don’t want to own there, and aren’t wild about the resale restrictions, we do enjoy staying there on occasion.
And yes, the benefit applies to only one hotel now, but since in my opinion it’s one of the best on property, its worthwhile to us. And over time there will be additional new resorts which could very well be perceived as more desirable places to stay than the older DVC properties.
The bulk of the contracts I own are resale, since they are better deals. But it’s also worth considering some direct points for the newer properties.

All good points, but the significant value over resale is if you want to stay at any of the restricted resorts, many of us do not.

With that said there really is no right or wrong choice, just what works best for everyone.

 

[Sandisw]

All good points, but the significant value over resale is if you want to stay at any of the restricted resorts, many of us do not.

With that said there really is no right or wrong choice, just what works best for everyone.

That is true. But people do need to consider that in 20 years, places like BWV and BCV…assuming they stay DVC…will most likely be restricted as well.

If one is buying for those, it can make a difference.

 

[DonMacGregor]

Sweet! I’ll be on Oahu in March but staying at the Royal Hawaiian. I’ll have to head over to Aulani to check out this free popcorn!

Yeah, that might not be a drive I'd do for all the free popcorn on Oahu.

 

[Drewski77]

That is true. But people do need to consider that in 20 years, places like BWV and BCV…assuming they stay DVC…will most likely be restricted as well.

If one is buying for those, it can make a difference.

For sure, but I think the most concerned buyers for these resorts would be direct and resale purchasers of them today…certainly the greatest impact to those buyers in 20 years.

I’m not sure how much today’s resale/direct buyers of longer expiration resorts should really be concerned about other resorts that expire in 20 years.

 

[Sandisw]

For sure, but I think the most concerned buyers for these resorts would be direct and resale purchasers of them today…certainly the greatest impact to those buyers in 20 years.

I’m not sure how much today’s resale/direct buyers of longer expiration resorts should really be concerned about other resorts that expire in 20 years.

It only matters if staying at other resorts is important. Today, its only RIV, so if you don't want to stay there, its easy to say it doesn't matter. But, will that be the same in 20 years...assuming you hope to keep DVC that long when BWV, BCV, and BRV are no longer an option? If those are not resorts you don't care about now, then I agree...it doesn't matter. However, if those are ones you see as potential for stays, then it could.

Doesn't mean it outweighs the savings for resale in some cases, but at least it should be on the list of considerations, IMO when deciding what works best.

 

[Drewski77]

It only matters if staying at other resorts is important. Today, its only RIV, so if you don't want to stay there, its easy to say it doesn't matter. But, will that be the same in 20 years...assuming you hope to keep DVC that long when BWV, BCV, and BRV are no longer an option? If those are not resorts you don't care about now, then I agree...it doesn't matter. However, if those are ones you see as potential for stays, then it could.

Doesn't mean it outweighs the savings for resale in some cases, but at least it should be on the list of considerations, IMO when deciding what works best.

I agree, but if that is a major concern when buying another much longer expiring resort, then maybe DVC isn’t the best option for that person.

I think the decision to buy into DVC should mostly be on staying primarily at your home resort with stays at other ones a nice bonus.

Even direct points are subject to the 7 month availability and do not guarantee the ability to stay anywhere else.

 

[Paul Stupin]

I agree, but if that is a major concern when buying another much longer expiring resort, then maybe DVC isn’t the best option for that person.

I think the decision to buy into DVC should mostly be on staying primarily at your home resort with stays at other ones a nice bonus.

Even direct points are subject to the 7 month availability and do not guarantee the ability to stay anywhere else.

I disagree. People buy into DVC for the ability not only to stay at their home resorts, but also to take advantage of the 7 month availability at the original 14, and experience all Disneyworld has to offer. That’s one of DVC’s prime selling points. Just look at SSR, where a huge percentage of buyers use the points to stay elsewhere at 7 months. Of course 7 month availability is never guaranteed, but it’s still plentiful at many times of the year across the entire resort.

Losing the ability to book beloved, prime location properties like BCV and BWV in twenty years without direct points is a meaningful issue for many buyers, even if you don’t own there, and another reason to consider buying direct. It could also potentially diminish the value of all resale points as we approach 2042. If you don’t care about staying anywhere other than your home resort, it doesn’t matter. But many, many DVC owners do.

 

[swaysui]

Those are all valid points about buying direct. But is all that worth the SIGNIFICANT cost savings of buying resale? We saved $20,000 on the 200 point BCV contract we bought by buying resale. The 5 week delay (from the time we put our offer in until the points were in my account) in having those points available to book was easily worth that money. That's just my opinion, obviously, and others might view having point immediately to book is worth $20,000.

Wow you saved $100 per point? That's a good deal.

 

[Drewski77]

I disagree. People buy into DVC for the ability not only to stay at their home resorts, but also to take advantage of the 7 month availability at the original 14, and experience all Disneyworld has to offer. That’s one of DVC’s prime selling points. Just look at SSR, where a huge percentage of buyers use the points to stay elsewhere at 7 months. Of course 7 month availability is never guaranteed, but it’s still plentiful at many times of the year across the entire resort.

Losing the ability to book beloved, prime location properties like BCV and BWV in twenty years without direct points is a meaningful issue for many buyers, even if you don’t own there, and another reason to consider buying direct. It could also potentially diminish the value of all resale points as we approach 2042. If you don’t care about staying anywhere other than your home resort, it doesn’t matter. But many, many DVC owners do.

So when those resorts expire in 2042, a direct buyer today will still be able to book at these resorts in 2043?

How exactly does that work, as those resorts expire for everyone including those who own them as their home resort.

And a resale buyer today can book those resorts for the next 20 years, same as a direct buyer.

With that said, I don’t begrudge anyone that wants to buy direct for any reason, overall I think DVC is a great option for many.

 

[Sandisw]

So when those resorts expire in 2042, a direct buyer today will still be able to book at these resorts in 2043?

How exactly does that work, as those resorts expire for everyone including those who own them as their home resort.

And a resale buyer today can book those resorts for the next 20 years, same as a direct buyer.

With that said, I don’t begrudge anyone that wants to buy direct for any reason, overall I think DVC is a great option for many.

Many believe those resorts will continue to be DVC as new resorts with the restrictions and new. 50 year contracts.

Obviously we don’t know exactly the plan but I certainly can not imagine they won’t redevelop as DVC. So, today’s resale buyer will more certainly be left out if they do.

 

[Where'sPiglet?]

So when those resorts expire in 2042, a direct buyer today will still be able to book at these resorts in 2043?

How exactly does that work, as those resorts expire for everyone including those who own them as their home resort.

And a resale buyer today can book those resorts for the next 20 years, same as a direct buyer.

With that said, I don’t begrudge anyone that wants to buy direct for any reason, overall I think DVC is a great option for many.

I think there is speculation that DVC will renovate and re-sell BWV and BCV as new contracts (with much higher points charts) after the 2042 contracts expire.

Edit: @Sandisw jinx!

 

[Paul Stupin]

So when those resorts expire in 2042, a direct buyer today will still be able to book at these resorts in 2043?

How exactly does that work, as those resorts expire for everyone including those who own them as their home resort.

And a resale buyer today can book those resorts for the next 20 years, same as a direct buyer.

With that said, I don’t begrudge anyone that wants to buy direct for any reason, overall I think DVC is a great option for many.

Here’s how it works:
Direct points are valid at Riviera, and all new DVC resorts going forward. BCV and BWV will become new resorts post 2042, unavailable to resale point owners but available to direct point owners.
I believe that owning some direct points is a good way to “future proof” your DVC membership. But, as I’ve said, I own a lot of resale contracts as well because of the savings.

 

[Drewski77]

Here’s how it works:
Direct points are valid at Riviera, and all new DVC resorts going forward. BCV and BWV will become new resorts post 2042, unavailable to resale point owners but available to direct point owners.
I believe that owning some direct points is a good way to “future proof” your DVC membership. But, as I’ve said, I own a lot of resale contracts as well because of the savings.

However, those who own at BCV and BWV today do not retain any ability to book after their contracts expire in 2042.

Same for any direct point owners at other resorts. The 2042 resorts expire in 2042 and Disney can then resell them or do whatever they want, but no one gets to indefinitely book there beyond 2042.

So, aside from Rivera, today’s resale buyer can book at BCV and BWV for the next 20 years, same as today’s direct buyer.

Someone could have a lot of good reasons to buy direct today, but one of them wouldn’t be to book at BCV and BWV after 2042.

 

[Drewski77]

I think there is speculation that DVC will renovate and re-sell BWV and BCV as new contracts (with much higher points charts) after the 2042 contracts expire.

Edit: @Sandisw jinx!

Could be, and who knows at that point who Disney will allow to book there.

Lots of speculation though to spend a lot more money today hoping that comes true.

 

[Sandisw]

However, those who own at BCV and BWV today do not retain any ability to book after their contracts expire in 2042.

Same for any direct point owners at other resorts. The 2042 resorts expire in 2042 and Disney can then resell them or do whatever they want, but no one gets to indefinitely book there beyond 2042.

So, aside from Rivera, today’s resale buyer can book at BCV and BWV for the next 20 years, same as today’s direct buyer.

Someone could have a lot of good reasons to buy direct today, but one of them wouldn’t be to book at BCV and BWV after 2042.

Actually they will have that option if they become new DVC resorts. Guaranteed? No as we don’t know for sure what DVD will do.

But we do know today’s resale buyer is guaranteed to be out in the cold in 20 years at those places if DVC decides to sell as them as new.

Its about whether or not you want a chance in 20 years to be able to book there or whether you don’t care if they are gone in 20 years.

I simply don’t agree today’s buyer of direct points is locked out of those resorts the way a resale buyer today is if they still exist beyond that.

One has a good chance it will be option and the other does not.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

It only matters if staying at other resorts is important. Today, its only RIV, so if you don't want to stay there, its easy to say it doesn't matter. But, will that be the same in 20 years...assuming you hope to keep DVC that long when BWV, BCV, and BRV are no longer an option? If those are not resorts you don't care about now, then I agree...it doesn't matter. However, if those are ones you see as potential for stays, then it could.

Doesn't mean it outweighs the savings for resale in some cases, but at least it should be on the list of considerations, IMO when deciding what works best.

DVC wouldn't be able to restrict current resale owners down the road, would they? They can obviously restrict owners of new resorts like Riviera and whatever new resorts open down the road, as well as owners who buy resale in the future. But from my understanding they can't suddenly restrict current BCV resale owners, for example, from staying at the current non-Riviera resorts...even in the future. At least until that BCV resale contract expires.

 

[eandt]

Whether or not I got the best value for my purchase is really up to one person .......ME. I don't care that you might feel you have saved money buying resale any more than you care that I get $10 off my dinner bill. The value is in the eye of tte beholder nobody else.

 

[DVCSunDevil]

Wow you saved $100 per point? That's a good deal.

Yep. $100 per point. We were looking into DVC for awhile and found a listing we really liked (UY, points, and price). We offered $10 per point less than the asking price and the offer was accepted.