Longoria - Parker divorce!

[agnes!]

I guess I should qualify my statement, but are you right there plopped in the middle of La LA land? These are the people I am talking about, are you an actual celeb or a working actor. My opinion stands as far as celebs go, sorry. Also, sorry that you resent my tone and remarks, most of them come from well documented studies. Sure there are exceptions but very few.

I never said actors enjoyed the audition process, where on earth did you get that from. This is why I said that in most interviews that I have seen with actors, they DO NOT want their kids in the field. They won't stop them but hope and pray that they don't want to.

Perhaps you should say 'well-documented in the court of public opinion'.

agnes!

 

[mhsjax]

Perhaps you should say 'well-documented in the court of public opinion'.

agnes!

Actually, no I shouldn't. I have read reports from several physicians. So, I don't think so. And no I don't have links, but I am sure you can google some of them. If this doesn't apply to you, then don't be bothered. As I asked are you a working actor, or a celeb in La La land. There is some difference IMHO. And I am sure in others also.

 

[disfan07]

I guess I should qualify my statement, but are you right there plopped in the middle of La LA land? These are the people I am talking about, are you an actual celeb or a working actor. My opinion stands as far as celebs go, sorry. Also, sorry that you resent my tone and remarks, most of them come from well documented studies. Sure there are exceptions but very few.

I never said actors enjoyed the audition process, where on earth did you get that from. This is why I said that in most interviews that I have seen with actors, they DO NOT want their kids in the field. They won't stop them but hope and pray that they don't want to.

My cousin is an actress living in LA. Shes been taking time off to start her family (married w/ 2 young kids) but she is planning on going back to acting and auditions probably within the next year. She is as sweet and down to earth as they come.

I have met a bunch of celebrities through events she has been to (premieres, fundraisers, etc) and unless you have actually MET them, you really dontknow what you are talking about

Your attitude makes it seem like you have some bitter resentment towards celebrities.

I hate these broad assumptions about people you dont even know.

 

[mhsjax]

My cousin is an actress living in LA. Shes been taking time off to start her family (married w/ 2 young kids) but she is planning on going back to acting and auditions probably within the next year. She is as sweet and down to earth as they come.

I have met a bunch of celebrities through events she has been to (premieres, fundraisers, etc) and unless you have actually MET them, you really dontknow what you are talking about

Your attitude makes it seem like you have some bitter resentment towards celebrities.

I hate these broad assumptions about people you dont even know.

Just because you have a cousin and you "meet" some celebs, doesn't mean that you know them. I am sure that there are ones that aren't having issues. I have met one or two in my lifetime and really no one impresses me. I don't care to meet anymore. I don't go out looking for them and if I do see one, I try to stay away. I am not impressed by anyone who has met several of them and I am not impressed that you went to premiers. I have my opinion and I will stand my it. There are alwasy exceptions, and I am sure your cousin is one of them. But lets not forget, Paris, Lindsey, Charlie, Kiefer, Jess James, Eva's soon to be ex., Britney, Tiger woods, Nick Nolte, Christian Bales, David Dachovny. Carmen Electra, Dennis Rodman, Winona Ryder. oh the list goes on and on. But I don't have time. I have kids to pick up.

Ps, I realize these are not all actors, but I am talking about celebs in general. But these aren't people I would look up to, or want to meet on any occasion and I sure wouldn't want my kids to emulate them.

 

[disfan07]

And I believe that the ones that you mentioned are the exceptions. You've forgotten the ones like:
Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Aniston, Taye Diggs, Neil Patrick Harris, Mark Harmon, Sheryl Crow, Jennifer Garner, etc. The ones that you mentioned are so far on teh crazy side that they would probably be like that regardless of whether or not they were celebrities.

And as far as Brittany Spears goes, since she finally got the help she needed, she has gotten much better. Have you heard anything recently? Nope. And that is because much of her actions were related to whatever she finally got treatment for.

And I really dont give a crap that you are not impressed about what I have been to. I put that in there to make a point of the situation I met them.

And you are basing your opinion off of two celebrities that you have met which means you dont know them either so your opinion apparenetly doesnt hold any validity either because you dont know them either.

 

[angie@dvcstore]

I really liked them both together. That's just sad

 

[mhsjax]

And I believe that the ones that you mentioned are the exceptions. You've forgotten the ones like:
Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Aniston, Taye Diggs, Neil Patrick Harris, Mark Harmon, Sheryl Crow, Jennifer Garner, etc. The ones that you mentioned are so far on teh crazy side that they would probably be like that regardless of whether or not they were celebrities.

And as far as Brittany Spears goes, since she finally got the help she needed, she has gotten much better. Have you heard anything recently? Nope. And that is because much of her actions were related to whatever she finally got treatment for.

And I really dont give a crap that you are not impressed about what I have been to. I put that in there to make a point of the situation I met them.

And you are basing your opinion off of two celebrities that you have met which means you dont know them either so your opinion apparenetly doesnt hold any validity either because you dont know them either.

I am not basing my opinion off of anyone that I met for a moment, I am basing my opinion in what I see. how many of them are in trouble. I don't know where you got that I am basing my opinion off of that. See I never said that I met any and based my opinoin off of that, you are the one that said you met some and implied that I hadn't. And yes Brittany has gotten help, good for her, so, there are lots more out there that are or will be in trouble. I am sorry you are taking such offense to this. But sorry, I won't change my mind, and I am sure that a lot of other people feel the way I do and alot feel the way you do.

I don't know if these people would have gotten into trouble without being celebs. they have yes people, they are offered drugs, they are allowed and encouraged to party while under age and to use illegal drugs. Come on, you can't be that blind to Hollywood, or am I the only one that sees these reports.

Again, these are not people I want my kids looking up to. And I don't think that they are "all that"

 

[Imzadi]

Some of those older couples are so cute. However, a lot of these couples have a person that is behind the scenes. They aren't in the biz directly or have taken a back seat. Which is what I said earlier about why some don't want to marry people in the business.

Yes some of them have both been working at the same time, but a lot of them don't. James Brolin, can't remember the last thing he did, and Babs had slowed way down. Michael and Tracy, don't think she does much, I think plays the mommy role, Pam Dawber, same thing. Ozzy Osborn, no one would have him other than Sharon. My point is, that it seems to me that most of these marriages are either much older people and maybe things were a little different, and the others seem to have taken more of a back seat role. These days, seems both are so driven that they separate themselves for significant amounts of time. Most marriages can't survive that, especially when these people are able to get pretty much whatever and whomever they desire at that particular moment.

I would hope that the long time marriages of 20+ years are the older people.

Most of the ones you mentioned "who took a backseat," were professional, successful actresses, in their own right, no fly-by-night wannabes, who never made it and luckily landed a rich guy, so they could stop working for a living, or "try to make it in the business." They had made it. They changed their lives to become Moms. They wanted to take time away from work to devote time to their kids, to be a SAHM. There is no crime in that. Women do that all the time, regardless of careers. Narcissism doesn't stop when someone stops their careers. It's a personality trait. If anything, my examples show that someone can be an actress, and in spite of that, still have the right values - caring more about others, than just being narcissists. Many currently working actresses are taking time away from acting, just more discretely: Julia Roberts, Gwyneth Paltrow, Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, Meryl Streep, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kelly Preston.

I've seen many interviews where actors have just had kids say how it totally changes their perspective. They admit to being narcissists, and suddenly their child arrives, and it re-orders who they are, and what's really important in life, and it is the child and not them.

Joanne Woodward said a long time ago, even Paul had asked her why she was turning down so many roles. Joanne had already an Oscar win & 2 other nominations under her belt, whereas Paul hadn't won any, (which continued for several decades.) But, she said, one of them had to stay home with the kids, and she knew it wouldn't be Paul. That was okay, as she DID want to be there for the kids and give them a stable home.

Maria Shriver once said her mom, Eunice Kennedy Shriver once told her, "You CAN have it all, just not all at once." So Maria took time to build her broadcasting/journalism career in her 20's. She focused on her family in her 30's. She came back to broadcasting once the kids were old enough. Now, she's had the give up broadcasting to be First lady of CA. YET, she is now a published author, also. She's not taking a backseat to Arnold.

Tracy Pollan has started to come back in roles, now that her kids are older. Other actresses have done the same thing. They blipped off the movie/TV scene for a while, then they come back when their kids are older. They have successfully integrated an acting career, marriage and stable family life.

Michelle Pfeiffer or Meryl turned down Evita, the movie, because she didn't want to be away from her family filming for as long as the film required her to be away.

The Pinkett Smiths have said they arrange their careers to be that ONE films and the other is with the kids.

The Jolie Pitts have said the same thing.

I've seen many narcissistic people in all walks of life. They aren't only in show biz. It's about whether people have the right values in place before marriage.

are we only talking marriages where both are celebs?

If not, two to add:

Chris Walken
Billy Crystal

My list only included marriages where both are celebs, even though I had thought of others who are not, because I wanted to purposely show there are successful marriages where both people are actors (even if one is no longer working - as theoretically they would still have the tendency towards narcissism even if they stopped acting.)

I had included Camille Cosby only because Bill talked about her so much that he said people would always ask him about her. She she became kind of a celebrity in her own right.

 

[mhsjax]

I would hope that the long time marriages of 20+ years are the older people.

Most of the ones you mentioned "who took a backseat," were professional, successful actresses, in their own right, no fly-by-night wannabes, who never made it and luckily landed a rich guy, so they could stop working for a living, or "try to make it in the business." They had made it. They changed their lives to become Moms. They wanted to take time away from work to devote time to their kids, to be a SAHM. There is no crime in that. Women do that all the time, regardless of careers. If anything, it shows that someone can be an actress, and in spite of that, still have the right values - caring more about others, than just being narcissists. Many currently working actresses are taking time away from acting, just more discretely: Julia Roberts, Gwyneth Paltrow, Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicole Kidman, Meryl Streep, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kelly Preston.

I've seen many interviews where actors have just had kids say how it totally changes their perspective. They admit to being narcissists, and suddenly their child arrives, and it re-orders who they are, and what's really important in life, and it is the child and not them.

Joanne Woodward said a long time ago, even Paul had asked her why she was turning down so many roles. Joanne had already an Oscar win & 2 other nominations under her belt, whereas Paul hadn't won any, (which continued for several decades.) But, she said, one of them had to stay home with the kids, and she knew it wouldn't be Paul. That was okay, as she DID want to be there for the kids and give them a stable home.

Maria Shriver once said her mom, Eunice Kennedy Shriver once told her, "You CAN have it all, just not all at once." So Maria took time to build her broadcasting/journalism career in her 20's. She focused on her family in her 30's. She came back to broadcasting once the kids were old enough. Now, she's had the give up broadcasting to be First lady of CA. YET, she is now a published author, also. She's not taking a backseat to Arnold.

Tracy Pollan has started to come back in roles, now that her kids are older. Other actresses have done the same thing. They blipped off the movie/TV scene for a while, then they come back when their kids are older. They have successfully integrated an acting career, marriage and stable family life.

Michelle Pfeiffer or Meryl turned down Evita, the movie, because she didn't want to be away from her family filming for as long as the film required her to be away.

The Pinkett Smiths have said they arrange their careers to be that ONE films and the other is with the kids.

The Jolie Pitts have said the same thing.

I've seen many narcissistic people in all walks of life. They aren't only in show biz. It's about whether people have the right values in place before marriage.





My list only included marriages where both are celebs, even though I had thought of others who are not, because I wanted to purposely show there are successful marriages where both people are actors (even if one is no longer working - as theoretically they would still have the tendency towards narcissism even if they stopped acting.)

I had included Camille Cosby only because Bill talked about her so much that he said people would always ask him about her. She she became kind of a celebrity in her own right.

True, there are many narcissistic people in life. In all walks. I still think that there are predominately more in the entertainment biz. And just because say, the mom, decides to stay home because all of the sudden she is feeling that the child is more important than she is great. Didn't work out well for Mrs. Woods did it. This is the type of thing I am talking about. Don't tell me that if he were any average Joe on the street that he would have all of those women trying to sleep with him. Then the attitude just grows. Wow look at me, all these girls want me, I can have anything I want. Actually in Las Vegas, they said, ( a hotel manager Actually) said that for Celebs, they get anything they want. Girls, prostitutes, no problem, they sneak them in behind closed doors and up to the celebs room.

YOu know for some reason I am not ok with this, and apparently it happens a lot. I just don't condone that type of behavior and this is what makes the headlines. Seems the are quite a lot of people that think because of WHO they are, they can do what they want with who they want, and no regard to those in their family. (think Jesse James)

Thanks for the debate guys, but I am tired. And frankly just don't care enough about most of these people to go on about it. Have a nice night.