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Jaybrad

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This statement is posted on the Golf Channel discussion board. After reading this, I think the blame goes all the way from bottom up...

First I would like to state that I am from Louisiana so I have the right to make the following observations:

1) Despite the fact that everyone in Louisiana is fully aware of the potential for devestation in N.O., many chose to stay in the city and face the catastrophe, rich and poor.

2) New Orleans has a history of corruption and governmental ineptitude that exceeds comprehension from outsiders and citizens of N.O. have long accepted that and in many ways encouraged it.

3) New Orleans' throw caution to the wind attitude is what made it unique and a place where millions traveled to do the same.

4) Less than 3 years ago, a tropical storm flooded the city and the same type of caos occurred, just not on the scale we are seeing this week.

5) It is quite obvious that the city government and the state government had absolutely no contingency plan for this type of scenario. In fact, during the previous flooding the superdome was used and at the time it was looted and trashed by the refugees. Clearly, officials new what to expect this time around.

6) There were absolutely no assets standing by after the hurricane to immediately get people out of N.O. It was not until 24 hours after the hurricane that the levees broke. The city should have been evacuated beginning monday morning and not tuesday afternoon. Even without the flood water, it should have been clear from previoous experience that the place would turn into a war zone.

7) The State of Louisiana has been giving 10 million plus $$$$ annually to the N.O. Saints for the last 5-10 years, yet has not spent a nickle on the flood control system.

8) The State of Texas was able to put its hurricane emergency plan in action before the authorities in Louisiana could even set up any system to use it. Where was our plan?

9) 500 plus civilian boats were sent to N.O. over the last 3 days for evacuation, most if not all have been turned away because State authorities have told them "we have it under control". And that comes from the mouth of a friend who went there wednesday morning.

10) Millions of federal money has gone into Louisiana coffers for Homeland security, it is quite obvious that this money was wasted by the usual "good ol'boys" N.O. cleary was at risk of terror attacks on the levee system and all the oil and gas interest in the area, including one of America's largest port. What was our plan to address this type of emergency? Clearly we had none. But I'm sure the "good ol'boys" got the kickbacks and lined their pockets.

11) As I am typing this message, the corrupt politicians in this state are salivating over the FEMA money that they will be put in control of. The usual supects in my own community are already trying to figure out ways to get in on the money fest that is sure to be pooring in, all the while one of America's greatest treasures is about to burn to the ground.

Please do not blame anyone but Louisiana and our people for allowing the governmental ineptitude and corruption to continue for over a century, this is our legacy and now we see the fruit.

The grand irony in this whole thing is that the people who are in need now are the constituents of the woefully inept State and Local Governments. Maybe next time we will vote for the best person for the job and not for the person who throws the biggest campaign parties and promise the most government handouts and corruption.

And I know there are plenty of grammatical and spelling errors, but hey, I'm a product of the Louisiana Public School system.

The shame is that this is my State and there are so many fine hardworking people in this State and it is a most beautiful place, but we have been taken advantage of by corrupt politicians and corporate interest looking to rape our vast natural resources for centuries and it is painful to accept and it is most painful at times like this.
 
That's pretty much how I see it. I must say that I am and have been very concerned about #11. I hope that the feds demand a good accounting of every dime spent. Not much gets done without graft in La.
 
I agree with all of what this person has said. I was born and raised in Louisiana and I know full well the corruption of this state.

While everybody is blaming Bush for this catastrophe, I can't help but shake my head. Bush and the feds certainly bear some of the blame, but if Nagin and Blanco had taken care of business on their end, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad.

My next-door neighbor is a police officer and two days after Katrina, he and some other area officers drove down to New Orleans to help out. They were told to turn around by state troopers, saying the situation was "under control." Of course, they saw otherwise on TV.
 

Jaybrad said:
11) As I am typing this message, the corrupt politicians in this state are salivating over the FEMA money that they will be put in control of. The usual supects in my own community are already trying to figure out ways to get in on the money fest that is sure to be pooring in, all the while one of America's greatest treasures is about to burn to the ground.

Please do not blame anyone but Louisiana and our people for allowing the governmental ineptitude and corruption to continue for over a century, this is our legacy and now we see the fruit.

The grand irony in this whole thing is that the people who are in need now are the constituents of the woefully inept State and Local Governments. Maybe next time we will vote for the best person for the job and not for the person who throws the biggest campaign parties and promise the most government handouts and corruption.

I have to agree with most of what you've said. I agree that things were not handled correctly on the local and state sides, as well as the federal side. If nothing else, other cities will learn from their mistakes and improve their own response plans. I know that my own city is doing so. I also hope that lessons will be learned by our federal officials so that we have the best available resources when they are needed, and so that hesitation is not a factor when lives are in jeopardy in the future.

While you're speaking of FEMA money, you might also point out that monies will soon be flowing to some White House Buddies . It pays to have friends in high places.
 
WDWBetsy said:
While you're speaking of FEMA money, you might also point out that monies will soon be flowing to some White House Buddies . It pays to have friends in high places.

The Shaw Group is one of Albaugh's clients, and that's an outrage, huh?

What about the stuff CNN fails to tell you:


The Shaw Group, a multi-billion-dollar conglomerate, is headed by Jim Bernhard, the current chairman of the Louisiana Democratic Party. Bernhard worked tirelessly for Democrat Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco's runoff campaign and served as co-chair of her transition team. Another Shaw executive was Blanco's campaign manager.

Wonder why CNN didn't make a note of this connection? Probably just an innocent oversight, huh?

UPI also failed to note the connection to the Louisiana Democratic Party and Blanco.

So did the London Observer.

And Reuters/MSNBC. And the CBC.

And the NYTimes (reprinted in the Minnesota Star Tribune, the Houston Chronicle, the Scotsman, and scores of media outlets around the world

Nah, there's no liberal bias.
 
Originally posted by WDWBetsy:
While you're speaking of FEMA money, you might also point out that monies will soon be flowing to some White House Buddies . It pays to have friends in high places.


The Shaw Group Inc. (NYSE: SGR) announced today that it has been awarded an Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity (ID/IQ) contract from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to aid in the recovery and rebuilding efforts. Shaw will provide supervision, equipment, materials, labor, logistics, and all means necessary to provide the Corps of Engineers an immediate response for construction contract capability.

The $100 million contract has a base period of one-year, with an additional one-year option. Shaw announced earlier today a $100 million ID/IQ contract award by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to provide support services in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, including housing assistance for displaced residents.

The Shaw Group's Jim Bernhard is the Louisiana's state Democratic party chairman.

Mike--Louisiana Resident
 
bsnyder said:
The Shaw Group is one of Albaugh's clients, and that's an outrage, huh?

What about the stuff CNN fails to tell you:


The Shaw Group, a multi-billion-dollar conglomerate, is headed by Jim Bernhard, the current chairman of the Louisiana Democratic Party. Bernhard worked tirelessly for Democrat Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco's runoff campaign and served as co-chair of her transition team. Another Shaw executive was Blanco's campaign manager.

Wonder why CNN didn't make a note of this connection? Probably just an innocent oversight, huh?

UPI also failed to note the connection to the Louisiana Democratic Party and Blanco.

So did the London Observer.

And Reuters/MSNBC. And the CBC.

And the NYTimes (reprinted in the Minnesota Star Tribune, the Houston Chronicle, the Scotsman, and scores of media outlets around the world

Nah, there's no liberal bias.

So what's your opinion on Halliburton? Just curious.
 
WDWBetsy said:
So what's your opinion on Halliburton? Just curious.

I have no opinon, because I don't know if they're the best qualified for the job or not. But I don't automatically disqualify them, or consider it "bid-rigging", just because of the Cheney connection.

What's your opinion on Shaw and Jim Bernhard's connections to Governor Blanco and the fact that he's the chairman of the State Democratic party?
 
WDWBetsy said:
So what's your opinion on Halliburton? Just curious.

That it makes the opinions of Shaw moot?
 
Funny, my fiance said he hopes Bush rots in hell and that he thinks the man should be impeached. Considering he lost everything in the New Orleans disaster, I find it very interesting how someone who doesn't live directly in the disaster area vs. someone who does actually sees things.

Somehow, I'm more inclined to listen to someone who lost everything in the governmental ineptitude.
 
bsnyder said:
I have no opinon, because I don't know if they're the best qualified for the job or not. But I don't automatically disqualify them, or consider it "bid-rigging", just because of the Cheney connection.

What's your opinion on Shaw and Jim Bernhard's connections to Governor Blanco and the fact that he's the chairman of the State Democratic party?

Honestly - I don't know that much about Shaw, aside from them being a client of Joe Allbaugh. It is interesting that Jim Bernhard is connect to them. I intend to research more about them though - so thank you for the heads-up on the connection.

My beef is when contracts are given on a no-bid basis, and spending oversight is lacking. When the Pentagon is questioning charges by Halliburton, that concerns me.
 
WDWBetsy said:
Honestly - I don't know that much about Shaw, aside from them being a client of Joe Allbaugh. It is interesting that Jim Bernhard is connect to them. I intend to research more about them though - so thank you for the heads-up on the connection.

My beef is when contracts are given on a no-bid basis, and spending oversight is lacking. When the Pentagon is questioning charges by Halliburton, that concerns me.

It concerns me too, government at every level has waste, fraud and cronyism. And it's not that I don't think we should be vigilent in exposing it, and getting rid of it, I just realize that it's a bi-partisan problem.

And I'm curious, what's your take on the fact that CNN didn't report the connection? It's a pretty significant one, wouldn't you say? At least as significant as the fact that they're a client of Albaugh's?

As I see it, there's only two explainations for the omission.

1. They knew about it, and left it out of the story

2. They looked at Shaw after the contract was awarded and checked for possible connections to the White House, but not to any Democrats.

The first is a more egregious example, but they are both still examples of the network's bias.
 
bsnyder said:
And I'm curious, what's your take on the fact that CNN didn't report the connection? It's a pretty significant one, wouldn't you say? At least as significant as the fact that they're a client of Albaugh's?

Honestly - kinda ticked. They need to report all the facts, not just ones that blame one side. I agree - that is a significant fact left out.

I do see cronyism and it really irritates me - regardless of the political party or level of government. If the company is the best company for the job, they still should have to compete for contracts. Same goes with appointing officials. They need to have the experience, not just a prior relationship.
 
WDWBetsy said:
Honestly - kinda ticked. They need to report all the facts, not just ones that blame one side. I agree - that is a significant fact left out.

I do see cronyism and it really irritates me - regardless of the political party or level of government. If the company is the best company for the job, they still should have to compete for contracts. Same goes with appointing officials. They need to have the experience, not just a prior relationship.

Honestly, this kind of thing doesn't bother me that much, from a political standpoint. That's not to say I think we should tolerate the blatant crooks, but this goes on with Republicans and Democrats alike. I base my party affiliation on the broad policy issues and philosophies, because when you get into all the details, like which party has less corruption, or which party's beauracracy works more efficiently, I think they're all pretty much the same.

I'm not saying cronyism is a good thing - it's not. But in the big scheme of things, it's not all that important. At least some of the time, the companies awarded the bids are also the most competent - they just also happen to be well-connected. Do you penalize them for that?

One thing that does tick me off is the bias - it's been going on for years and years, and if your a conservative, until recently there just wasn't a whole lot that could be done about presenting the other side. Fortunately, that's slowly changing with the internet and alternative media outlets.
 
totalia said:
Funny, my fiance said he hopes Bush rots in hell and that he thinks the man should be impeached. Considering he lost everything in the New Orleans disaster, I find it very interesting how someone who doesn't live directly in the disaster area vs. someone who does actually sees things.

Somehow, I'm more inclined to listen to someone who lost everything in the governmental ineptitude.

While I do not agree with your politics, I am sorry that your fiance lost everything in the NOLA situation. This is the first time I have read that from you, and it has helped me to understand a little of the anger you seem to have regarding this situation.

Understand, that while many in discussion groups may not see things the way you do, it does not mean that they are against you, or your fiance.

I hope that you two can work through this together.
 
Thank you halestrm. Yes, I'm very angry. Alot of it comes from seeing what his family and friends are going through. He isn't the only one close thats lost everything due to this hurricane. So have 5 friends. Though his aunts house has been lucky enough to escape damage of any sort. 6 people that are fairly close to me lost everything they owned and their jobs in this. One of those is my fiance.

The loss they are going through is just unexplainable.

It really bothers me to see the lack of compassion and caring that people have for disaster area victims from their OWN country.
 
totalia said:
Funny, my fiance said he hopes Bush rots in hell and that he thinks the man should be impeached. Considering he lost everything in the New Orleans disaster, I find it very interesting how someone who doesn't live directly in the disaster area vs. someone who does actually sees things.

Somehow, I'm more inclined to listen to someone who lost everything in the governmental ineptitude.


Well- I finally see where you're coming from! Ive been reading your post for sometime trying to figure that out ..... and now I understand. I do have a question for you- does the "governmental ineptitude" you speak of include local and state ineptitude? Not trying to start any arguments, just honestly wondering.
 
totalia said:
It really bothers me to see the lack of compassion and caring that people have for disaster area victims from their OWN country.

I really hope that with time you'll come to feel that those who are compassionate and caring far outnumber the ones who aren't.
 
karebear1

Yes, it includes the local gvt. I just don't think they did as bad a job as people are saying. Doesn't seem that any of the New Orleans evacuees I've talked to thinks so either. There have been mistakes by everyone. Though I feel rather sorry for Nagin. I've never seen a leader come that close to begging for help on his knees before.

bsnyder

Sometimes I wonder considering what I've been seeing on these boards. The things that have been said by some of the posters are things I am really hoping aren't representative of the general population.

Then again, I've also seen some really wonderful people on these boards.
 
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