Local Disney Store - no bags!!!

[spiders]

And then watch the shopping malls all close down. Like I've said previously, online shopping was already a threat, but a bag ban will only exacerbate their decline.

Many already have.

I might be in the minority on this one but I’m now willing to pay more online so I don’t have to go to a store.

Retail stores used to complain that they couldn’t compete because of sales tax. Now, you pay sales tax. And in fact, the burden for online retailers to tax every individual customer on address is a burden not shared by stores. Stores don’t have to keep track of everyone’s individual sales tax and then send every municipality a check.

Many failed retailers have learned the hard way that it wasn’t just price, it’s just that actually shopping in their stores was just very unpleasant.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I am not sure that I know anyone who "enjoys" carrying bags around with them. It is just something we have to do.

lol yeahhhhh but you'd think the way some posters talk about it (and I know one in particular) they get really excited when talking about it. It's no mundane task for some posters on the Boards but a badge of honor and high excitement. Hey whatever floats your boats haha.

As I said it is the new "normal." I have a bag of bags in my trunk at all times.

Yeah I don't because it's not my normal. Could be in the future but it's not now. Don't get me wrong there are things in my life that are normal that to someone else is like "but why" so I get it.

If I happen to randomly go shopping (not likely, as it is not something I do for fun) and I don't have a bag. I know I will either need to carry the items or buy a bag. It is the new normal, just the way it is.

I think what most often gets posters is that they approach other people's feelings in a dismissive way. I think we all realize it could be in our futures but a very big portion of the U.S. still doesn't deal with this day in and day out and some of us do have valid comments against the practicality of some of the other comments posters have mentioned.

I'm not saying you're necessarily being dismissive but some people have been. Maybe it's just realizing not all of us like the prospect--I'm a frugal person anyways in most facets of my life and in all honesty I dislike being charged for things like this and I dislike the idea of having to pay for something but I fully recognize I'm likely in the minority that way. I want bags to be made of better materials for the envionments than this whole leaping to charging people or now having a ton of canvas (or other materials) bags that people often don't wash appropriately and need to be replaced eventually and those don't all break down either.

The city where my alma mater is (which is about 30mins away from me) is the closest place considering either an outright ban or a paid per bag ordinance. Maybe that will spread but no matter what it's not like I have to enjoy that prospect. Even my husband who has been living in Long Beach,CA for the last 9months is slightly annoyed though I think he was more annoyed at having to ask an attendant when he needed to buy deodorant to get it out of the locked case (that is not something we encounter in our immediate area) lol.

 

[disneychrista]

I think he was more annoyed at having to ask an attendant when he needed to buy deodorant to get it out of the locked case (that is not something we encounter in our immediate area) lol.

Ya don't get me started on this. It is crazy what is or isn't locked up. I get that they are trying to cut down on shoplifting but it is pretty annoying and a major inconvenience when there are never any workers around to unlock the case.

 

[kaytieeldr]

And then watch the shopping malls all close down. Like I've said previously, online shopping was already a threat, but a bag ban will only exacerbate their decline.

A supermarket is going to be more suitable for lugging around reusable bags, but a mall sure isn't going to be, so like you've said, it's more difficult in general retail than it is groceries.

Citation, please? I can find nothing that connects plastic bag bans with mall failures. Zip. Nada. Nothing. https://dailycaller.com/2015/02/26/the-decline-of-the-shopping-mall-a-capitalist-story/
https://www.vox.com/videos/2018/4/11/17220528/american-shopping-malls-death-third-placehttps://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/retail-meltdown-of-2017/522384/
As for the opinion (because that's all it is) that "lugging" reusable bags around a mall or stan e-books store is more difficult/less suitable than a supermarket? Once again, just don't. Shop online. Pay the surcharge for a store bag. Get a box. Or, move to Missouri. Its State Legislature banned bag bans.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It's no mundane task for some posters on the Boards but a badge of honor and high excitement. Hey whatever floats your boats haha.

Um, no? It's most often a necessity. Sure, I could have gotten multiple paper bags this morning at Dollar Tree, Target, and ACMoore. But why? I happen to have some really great, sturdy shopping bags. What I fit into two bags would have taken at least five store bags.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I don't because it's not my normal

Okay? I mean, you clearly don't have any local bans, so providing your own have isn't normal. Where I shop most frequently does. My City Council is voting on it soon. Bringing my own bags is normal..

 

[AurumPunzel]

Citation, please? I can find nothing that connects plastic bag bans with mall failures. Zip. Nada. Nothing.

That’s because mainstream media won’t tell you, but they can exacerbate a decline.

As for the opinion (because that's all it is) that "lugging" reusable bags around a mall or stan e-books store is more difficult/less suitable than a supermarket? Once again, just don't. Shop online. Pay the surcharge for a store bag. Get a box. Or, move to Missouri. Its State Legislature banned bag bans.

Good to see another state bucking the trend. Sooner or later, bag bans will fail. Already happened to Chicago before they watered it down to a bag tax. NY's will no doubt go down like a lead balloon, especially in NYC, where the colossal scale of the city and the myriad of stores on every corner will no doubt make the ban massively impractical, even more so than in a mall.

 

[disneychrista]

Bringing my own bags is normal..

I think this is what we need to realize. What has just become the way it is. For others, it is very foreign to have stores NOT provide bags.

I was an early adaptor and was using reusable bags for a couple years before my county put into effect the bag ban. So while it was just something I was already doing. Many others took time to get used to it. I remember seeing people with carts half full of food, walking out of the store because they didn't want to buy bags (or they left them in the car). Years later you don't see that as much anymore.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Um, no? It's most often a necessity. Sure, I could have gotten multiple paper bags this morning at Dollar Tree, Target, and ACMoore. But why? I happen to have some really great, sturdy shopping bags. What I fit into two bags would have taken at least five store bags.

Mundane as in bringing a bag with you as in it's just an everyday thing as it doesn't strike you as odd. For instance I always carry an ice scraper in my car. An ice scraper can be a necessity, as you describe, often too but it's still something quite mundane in what it is. But you did take it in a different direction that's for sure.

Okay? I mean, you clearly don't have any local bans, so providing your own have isn't normal. Where I shop most frequently does. My City Council is voting on it soon. Bringing my own bags is normal..

I distinctly remember saying this----

The city where my alma mater is (which is about 30mins away from me) is the closest place considering either an outright ban or a paid per bag ordinance.

Yup. I absolutely was explicitly clear it was not my normal. AND I describe the closest location with such consideration of a ban (though it hasn't passed to my knowledge yet). You're totally right we don't have local bans...but I had already said that Besides I was talking about my personal experience so I'm not quite certain why you felt the need to interject with an "okay.."


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I fully accept that for some people it's like breathing these days. I think it's harder for other people to realize it's not that way for everyone respond accordingly. I don't knock that for you you're down with bringing a bag. Would be nice if you didn't knock it not being the same for me

It's like places that still allow smoking inside restaurants. Completely foreign for me these days but I do remember when you used to be able to. Maybe you could utilize that same logic for reusable bags in your understanding in how others feel.

 

[msjprincess]

My county started charging for bags a couple of years ago. In the beginning I would never remember to bring bags. Now it's 2nd nature.

 

[AurumPunzel]

For me, I'm selective about where I bring my own bags. Most of the time, I only do it in supermarkets because I always know what I'm going to be buying, and because I live under a bag tax (not a ban) system, and I go to the supermarket more frequently than a mall, it's my main reason.

Elsewhere, I just pay for a bag, but only if the price isn't around the sort of region of being very costly. However, I deem the Disney Store's price as being too costly, and thus a ploy to extract more money out of guests on the pretence of 'saving the environment', hence my vehement opposition. Then again, the last time I saw a fuss being made over bags in the Disney Store was years ago, but long before banning plastic bags became fashionable. Anyone in here remember when they used to have blue and pink bags? I remember the time a friend complained that a CM put his Pixar t-shirts in a pink bag with Cinderella and Aurora on it, which I assumed was because the CM ran out of blue bags. I can imagine the same disappointment some boys had when the CM didn't have a blue bag that matched their Cars purchases.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Good to see another state bucking the trend.

Law went into effect in 2015. I'm not aware of any other state with a law banning bag bans, so I'm not sure "another" is valid.

as in bringing a bag with you as in it's just an everyday thing as it doesn't strike you as odd.

Exactly. Just like it's an oddity for you and your neighbors.

I distinctly remember saying this----

Yeah, 30 miles is much too far for me to consider that affecting me. Or, obviously, you

Then again, the last time I saw a fuss being made over bags in the Disney Store was years ago, but long before banning plastic bags became fashionable.

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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Anyone in here remember when they used to have blue and pink bags?

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Hard to forget, given that this is at least the third mention just in this thread.

 

[AurumPunzel]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yes, I do, actually. When I use 'fashionable', I mean it in the sense of something being a current trend (ie using fashion as a metaphor). For example, it's nowadays fashionable to be woke on global issues because the proliferation of the internet and how they spread awareness.

Hard to forget, given that this is at least the third mention just in this thread.

I was merely asking a question, and also contrasting the times where there's last been a fuss over bags (10+ years ago: colour of the bag, versus today: no free bags and reusable bags being a 'forced' purchase). As much as I'm still opposed to the phaseout, it's funny how such a little thing has become a huge point of debate on a Disney forum, even when it's short of political (again, a nicht-nicht here).

 

[EveDallas]

Have you already stopped shopping at Disney Stores, Disney Parks and on Disney Cruises?

Shopping at retail is more difficult since some may not know exactly what, if anything, they will ultimately purchase. But a grocery store...everybody knows they are going in there and will be buying something. It’s not hard to keep bags in your car and take them inside with you to a store you know they’ll use them.

Yes, yes, and yes

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Exactly. Just like it's an oddity for you and your neighbors.

Yup I know. All I was saying is it's normal for others not normal for me. That wasn't a judgement against you or anyone else just that we're not used to it at this point because we don't have to deal with it. Sometimes people forget that and respond with "what's the big deal"..well it can be a big deal to those of us not engrained in the reusable bag culture.

Yeah, 30 miles is much too far for me to consider that affecting me. Or, obviously, you

It's in close proximity to my metro, if it passes there it may gain steam and pass in more cities in my area (it's at least something I could see happening), residents that at least go to the college or who live there or have lived there in the past lots have come from my metro. It's more or less my specific area. If I was in the middle of my state and talking about a city 30mins away I wouldn't have even mentioned it. 30mins is not far in my area either.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Yes, I do, actually. When I use 'fashionable', I mean it in the sense of something being a current trend (ie using fashion as a metaphor).

Desirable bags, and the decline of disposable shopping bags, is neither fashionable or a trend. Trends are typically not legislated.

For example, it's nowadays fashionable to be woke on global issues because the proliferation of the internet and how they spread awareness.

Do you actually believe we were not aware of global issues prior to the internet? We had newspapers as far back as 1690 http://www.localhistories.org/media.html; telegraph and wireless telegraphy in the 1800s; and television in the 1900s. It might be fashionable or trendy to employ the word "woke", but we've had worldwide news for, at minimum, decades.

 

[skyblue17]

Oddly enough, it seems like having a car is a little included in this. Such as, I live in a city and I walk or take the subway everywhere. For me, the plastic bags that stores give/gave out with some items simply don't cut it. Using reusable shopping bags is more efficient and easier to carry, so whenever I plan to go shopping, I have one on me. You'll find many people who do many of their errands on foot have backpacks or cross-body bags that would also fit small purchases.

My hometown just recently started banning plastic bags. It doesn't really effect my parents at all, as they have had reusable bags in their cars for years. It's kinda nice when you can just start doing something, get into a habit and then adapting to small changes doesn't throw you for a total loop.

 

[ronandannette]

My county started charging for bags a couple of years ago. In the beginning I would never remember to bring bags. Now it's 2nd nature.

Most stores here (everyone from Wal-Mart to Nordstrom) have been charging for at last a year, maybe more. I just pay for the convenience because at $0.05/each, the cost is minuscule. I haven’t reduced my consumption any, maybe it’s actually increased because the ultra-thin bags sometimes need to be doubled. My local neighbourhood grocer is going to paper on Jan. 1 and I’m interested to see them. I am a re-user of the plastic bags and I wonder if the paper ones will be so versatile?

 

[AurumPunzel]

Desirable bags, and the decline of disposable shopping bags, is neither fashionable or a trend. Trends are typically not legislated.

Do you actually believe we were not aware of global issues prior to the internet? We had newspapers as far back as 1690 http://www.localhistories.org/media.html; telegraph and wireless telegraphy in the 1800s; and television in the 1900s. It might be fashionable or trendy to employ the word "woke", but we've had worldwide news for, at minimum, decades.

The frequency of legislation being passed does come across as a trend because it's pretty much an example of 'following the herd'. When more cities, states, provinces and countries pass legislation within a short timeframe of one another, it's collective behaviour. And it's all because of one emotive nature documentary, and not scientific truth as to where the plastic is actually coming from.

As for awareness, yes, I'm fully aware of the fact that newspapers and televisions have made us aware, but what I'm talking about is minor, petty issues that have become more amplified thanks to the medium of the internet. For example, people didn't complain about a 1987 Irish Christmas song until recent years, but now some are kicking up a fuss about its lyrical content despite ignoring the historical context it's meant in.

My hometown just recently started banning plastic bags. It doesn't really effect my parents at all, as they have had reusable bags in their cars for years. It's kinda nice when you can just start doing something, get into a habit and then adapting to small changes doesn't throw you for a total loop.

But what about those who can't adapt, like for example, people with disabilities that affect their memory, autistic people who cannot break out of old habits, or those with mobility issues who are going to find carrying around reusable bags to be a nightmare, not to mention those with weak immune systems who are going to be vulnerable to infections borne from reusable bags? My issue is that bans never take into account those who are less able, and are being passed as if such people don't matter, because those who are able to and support such moves are going to be the ones who feel morally superior. It's already bad enough those who cannot drink out of any other straws than a plastic one are already suffering as a result of a fad of switching to paper.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Most stores here (everyone from Wal-Mart to Nordstrom) have been charging for at last a year, maybe more. I just pay for the convenience because at $0.05/each, the cost is minuscule. I haven’t reduced my consumption any, maybe it’s actually increased because the ultra-thin bags sometimes need to be doubled. My local neighbourhood grocer is going to paper on Jan. 1 and I’m interested to see them. I am a re-user of the plastic bags and I wonder if the paper ones will be so versatile?

The local grocery chain that my mom more shops at still gives out paper bags (well certain locations def. do) and my mom asks for those all the time. She re-uses her paper bags for a recycling container in her kitchen (and most of them have the handles). She then just keeps some handy for transporting things from place to place. She has those large reusuable bags she got from Marshalls but those sometimes are just too big. The paper bags are good for that.

I reuse plastic bags at my house all the time. When I get too many though to be of usage I take them up to Wal-Mart and put in their plastic bag recycling bin.