Local Disney Store - no bags!!!

[AurumPunzel]

I so agree about the balloons. But that would COST Disney money and they only seem to be "green" about the things that SAVE them money.

Don't forget the obscene amounts of plastic used in their merchandise packaging. That's way more than bags and straws!

 

[kaytieeldr]

wonder what I will use instead when plastic grocery bags are no longer widely available.

A reusable bag? well expect for maybe the trash and cushioning.

Or crumpled/torn paper bags. Or additional cardboard. Old clothes. Office paper that doesn't need to be shredded. Or that has been.

Don't forget the obscene amounts of plastic used in their merchandise packaging. That's way more than bags and straws!

Packaging plastic is much less likely to find its way into the ocean. Typically, it's discarded appropriately. There's been a plastic bag near the top of a tree here for at least five years. Through multiple New England snows, Nor'Easters, still not even torn.

 

[mom2rtk]

Don't forget the obscene amounts of plastic used in their merchandise packaging. That's way more than bags and straws!

How many people will choose to order online instead of buying in the parks if they have no bag to carry their item. And the packaging for shipping is obscene.

How many of the people wagging their finger at me for wanting to use a plastic bag order lots of stuff on Amazon and have piles of package waste every week? I don't order Amazon very often, but the times I do I am amazed at the amount of package waste. Some people are getting packages like that every single day.

 

[AurumPunzel]

Packaging plastic is much less likely to find its way into the ocean. Typically, it's discarded appropriately. There's been a plastic bag near the top of a tree here for at least five years. Through multiple New England snows, Nor'Easters, still not even torn

Not if the landfill is near a confluence, and greenies frequently complain about plastic winding up in rivers, and thus oceans, so I can't see why plastic bags should be scapegoated for a much wider problem that can be solved through improving recycling infrastructure and banning exports to countries that can't handle the sheer volume of apportioned Western waste.

 

[EveDallas]

How many people will choose to order online instead of buying in the parks if they have no bag to carry their item. And the packaging for shipping is obscene.

How many of the people wagging their finger at me for wanting to use a plastic bag order lots of stuff on Amazon and have piles of package waste every week? I don't order Amazon very often, but the times I do I am amazed at the amount of package waste. Some people are getting packages like that every single day.

Right? Everyone who's saying "just order online" - ok, my last Amazon order was a box of special protein bars marketed for people in kidney failure that I bought for my older brother. A smallish box of bars came in a 12×24 inch box full of plastic bubble wrap. But yeah - that's way less waste than a plastic bag

 

[BadPinkTink]

round and round we go, all the doom and gloom, makes me laugh, cos in 17 years, I've seen NONE of the theses what ifs. The one about the disabled is particularly funny, and no I'm not laughing at disabled and autistic people, I'm laughing at those who are trying to make out that changing to re usable and paper bags will some how have a negative impact on disabled and autistic, .... um no it doesn't

Also a big nope to the scare mongering about disease being spread from unwashed bags. In 17 years, I don't remember this being reported in our news.

And again let me repeat, I use the paper bags from drugstrores, clothes stores, book stores etc for trash, for storage and for all the things that we used to use the plastic bags for.

Its been 17 years, people have adapted and changed. The re usuable bags come in all shapes and sizes. Most people now carry ones that fold up small, to about the size of a credit card in handbags and coat pockets. It really is no big deal.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

round and round we go, all the doom and gloom, makes me laugh, cos in 17 years, I've seen NONE of the theses what ifs. The one about the disabled is particularly funny, and no I'm not laughing at disabled and autistic people, I'm laughing at those who are trying to make out that changing to re usable and paper bags will some how have a negative impact on disabled and autistic, .... um no it doesn't

Also a big nope to the scare mongering about disease being spread from unwashed bags. In 17 years, I don't remember this being reported in our news.

And again let me repeat, I use the paper bags from drugstrores, clothes stores, book stores etc for trash, for storage and for all the things that we used to use the plastic bags for.

Its been 17 years, people have adapted and changed. The re usuable bags come in all shapes and sizes. Most people now carry ones that fold up small, to about the size of a credit card in handbags and coat pockets. It really is no big deal.

Glad it's really no big deal to y'all

Has anyone said they won't get used to it if/when it happens? Nah we just say we're not looking forward to it, wish there were other avenues explored first, etc etc. which I think should be totally ok to discuss.

 

[AurumPunzel]

round and round we go, all the doom and gloom, makes me laugh, cos in 17 years, I've seen NONE of the theses what ifs. The one about the disabled is particularly funny, and no I'm not laughing at disabled and autistic people, I'm laughing at those who are trying to make out that changing to re usable and paper bags will some how have a negative impact on disabled and autistic, .... um no it doesn't

Also a big nope to the scare mongering about disease being spread from unwashed bags. In 17 years, I don't remember this being reported in our news.

And again let me repeat, I use the paper bags from drugstrores, clothes stores, book stores etc for trash, for storage and for all the things that we used to use the plastic bags for.

Its been 17 years, people have adapted and changed. The re usuable bags come in all shapes and sizes. Most people now carry ones that fold up small, to about the size of a credit card in handbags and coat pockets. It really is no big deal.

That's because you don't hear mainstream media tell you about the negatives. And the disease concern is actually real, not fiction. If you don't clean your reusable bags regularly, particularly after handling certain foods, then the chances of harmful bacteria living in them increases.

Also, people have different disabilities that may or may not affect their ability to use reusables, but my concern focuses more on those with sensory and memory issues, and also those with weak immune systems that would mean a more intensive sterilisation regime required for reusable bags, but some cannot be machine washed, which means that they have to be washed by hand. Again, everyone's different, so you can't expect 90% of people to toe the party line of the whole reusables culture.

 

[EveDallas]

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Glad it's really no big deal to y'all

Has anyone said they won't get used to it if/when it happens? Nah we just say we're not looking forward to it, wish there were other avenues explored first, etc etc. which I think should be totally ok to discuss.

Yeah, but some people like to feel superior to others by pointing out how much more progressive they are

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Personally, I like what Chicago has done as they first instituted a ban and then went to a pay per bag model. If you want a plastic bag, cool, just expect to pay extra for it.

Again, everyone's different, so you can't expect 90% of people to toe the party line of the whole reusables culture.

This line had me howling with laughter. Could you be any more hyperbolic? "Reusables culture"?

"First they came for the plastic straws, and I said nothing because I didn't use them. Then they came for the plastic bags and I did not speak up because I had reusable bags"

 

[BadPinkTink]

That's because you don't hear mainstream media tell you about the negatives. And the disease concern is actually real, not fiction. If you don't clean your reusable bags regularly, particularly after handling certain foods, then the chances of harmful bacteria living in them increases.

Also, people have different disabilities that may or may not affect their ability to use reusables, but my concern focuses more on those with sensory and memory issues, and also those with weak immune systems that would mean a more intensive sterilisation regime required for reusable bags, but some cannot be machine washed, which means that they have to be washed by hand. Again, everyone's different, so you can't expect 90% of people to toe the party line of the whole reusables culture.

but again, you are getting first hand information, from a country which has been living with re usuable bags and paper bags for 17 years. All your what ifs and omg the sky is falling down, and maybes are just scaremongering. The reality is far far different.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And the disease concern is actually real, not fiction. If you don't clean your reusable bags regularly, particularly after handling certain foods, then the chances of harmful bacteria living in them increases.

Yeah I kinda blame marketing. No one really discusses that you should be washing your reusable bags after every usage moreso especially with food and most especially with meats. They recommend you do not cross contaminate which means you have a bag you only use for meat and fish and poultry not putting in other things as well and ironically a recommendation for using plastic bags to isolate each raw meat source which is basically what grocery pick up placed do a lot in my area so if you're doing some major shopping you need to be bringing in multiple bags so you can split up your food. For people who store it in their vehicles or purses..you should be making sure those bags stay clean (our purses are gross and we all know it lol). I'm totally guilty of not washing the bags I own and I doubt my husband is either during the time he's been in CA when he's had the bag with him so we're not even following the advice. And TBH up until a few months ago I hadn't even thought about it. At least habitual washing though is better than nothing if one doesn't do it after every usage.

 

[AurumPunzel]

Personally, I like what Chicago has done as they first instituted a ban and then went to a pay per bag model. If you want a plastic bag, cool, just expect to pay extra for it.

This line had me howling with laughter. Could you be any more hyperbolic? "Reusables culture"?

"First they came for the plastic straws, and I said nothing because I didn't use them. Then they came for the plastic bags and I did not speak up because I had reusable bags"

The reason why Chicago abandoned their ban in favour of a tax was because retailers immediately switched to compliant plastic and were skimping on charging for them, which defeated the object, and I personally prefer the charging route to the banning route, because it at least gives people a greater democracy of choice, rather than narrowing what bags they can get. If they want some lightweight plastic ones for their small bins at home, then they can pay for them, and they work out cheaper than dedicated bags that people often have to buy under a ban.

As for 'reusables culture', it's not hyperbole, it's a fact. I was describing a culture of using reusables. That's not hyperbolic.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

but again, you are getting first hand information, from a country which has been living with re usuable bags and paper bags for 17 years. All your what ifs and omg the sky is falling down, and maybes are just scaremongering. The reality is far far different.

I don't know if you have restrictions on internet as far as what search results you see but you can delve into it more if you want to.

I believe you're in Ireland. Now I don't know if you're in Northern or Republic of Ireland but in 2017 "the U.K. Food Standards Agency warns they {meaning reusable shopping bags} could house dangerous bacteria unless regularly cleaned. Recent updates to agency guidelines underscore the importance of cleaning reusable grocery bags, citing studies showing reusable bags contain bacteria that can cause foodborne illness."

 

[AurumPunzel]

I don't know if you have restrictions on internet as far as what search results you see but you can delve into it more if you want to.

I believe you're in Ireland. Now I don't know if you're in Northern or Republic of Ireland but in 2017 "the U.K. Food Standards Agency warns they {meaning reusable shopping bags} could house dangerous bacteria unless regularly cleaned. Recent updates to agency guidelines underscore the importance of cleaning reusable grocery bags, citing studies showing reusable bags contain bacteria that can cause foodborne illness."

I assume the Republic, based on references to "17 years ago", which was when they instituted a bag tax. The UK hasn't had it longer than Ireland, having only been introduced in phases between 2011 and 2015. However, the problem in the UK is that the supermarkets have completely phased out the thin vests as if a ban was coming (which it isn't), and now the thicker reusable bags that have replaced them have become a waste issue. There are now calls for the prices of them to raise, with Morrisons so far being the only supermarket to charge 30p for reusable plastic, while offering reusable paper for 5p less.

 

[kaytieeldr]

That's because you don't hear mainstream media tell you about the negatives.

Heaven forbid adults should inform themselves, take responsibility for their own actions/inactions, or use common sense.

but some cannot be machine washed

Some can. Or at least disinfected.

If you want a plastic bag, cool, just expect to pay extra for it.

Easy enough. 2.5¢ each https://www.amazon.com/Thank-You-Ba...9Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= or, if anybody wants fancier bags, 10¢ each https://www.amazon.com/150-12x15-Me...6?keywords=Plastic+bags&qid=1577614415&sr=8-6

and I personally prefer the charging route to the banning route, because it at least gives people a greater democracy of choice, rather than narrowing what bags they can get.

Shoppers still have choices. They just need to plan ahead - see links above.

I believe you're in Ireland. Now I don't know if you're in Northern or Republic of Ireland but in 2017 "the U.K. Food Standards Agency warns they {meaning reusable shopping bags} could house dangerous bacteria unless regularly cleaned

More likely, though, it could not. Nobody will "absolute" anything. Well, except maybe some of the most adamant posters in this thread

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

More likely, though, it could not. Nobody will "absolute" anything. Well, except maybe some of the most adamant posters in this thread

Why would they use will cause in wording? People don't always react or get sick when exposed to bacteria but there are those that do. E.coli IIRC was something they found. We both know what their point was but kudos for the attempt on the virtual Z-snap

 

[AurumPunzel]

Shoppers still have choices. They just need to plan ahead - see links above.

The main issue here is that Disney have limited choice. You’re either forced to pay almost a whole dollar for is really an overpriced dustcover with the Disney Store logo and a plain overused silhouette of Mickey Mouse on either side, a bit more for a bulky tote (and especially for the largest reusable they have if you need something that would have fitted in the old jumbo-sized plastic bags they had before), or you walk out with your purchases unbagged, which can especially be problematic if you have a physical disability or you intend on going to another store straight afterwards.

Limiting choices alienates guests, and probably generates most of the complaints that Disney probably receive in relation to their Stores, next to delivery problems. If anything, I'd rather they had reusable plastic bags that are like their old plastic bags, sold for a much fairer price and can easily fold up in even the tightest of spaces in pockets/handbags/rucksacks. And best of all, they'd last a lot longer too. Make them to either 2.25mil thickness, 4mil (especially for Oregon) or 10mil at the extreme, if state or city ordinances don't have the ridiculous 'stitched handles' requirement like VT has enacted for their future bag ban.

 

[ronandannette]

Personally, I like what Chicago has done as they first instituted a ban and then went to a pay per bag model. If you want a plastic bag, cool, just expect to pay extra for it.

This line had me howling with laughter. Could you be any more hyperbolic? "Reusables culture"?

"First they came for the plastic straws, and I said nothing because I didn't use them. Then they came for the plastic bags and I did not speak up because I had reusable bags"

Depending on the price, it's meaningless in terms of reduction. Here bags have been $0.05 for a couple of years. A "big" grocery run for me is around $300 worth and it fits into 10 or 12 plastic bags. Less than a dollar for the convenience is not something I even think twice about. As well, the fee here is not a tax of any kind; the revenue isn't directed into a municipal or provincial fund for recycling or whatever other ecological cause might actually result in some benefit. It's just revenue to the store.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

Depending on the price, it's meaningless in terms of reduction. Here bags have been $0.05 for a couple of years. A "big" grocery run for me is around $300 worth and it fits into 10 or 12 plastic bags. Less than a dollar for the convenience is not something I even think twice about. As well, the fee here is not a tax of any kind; the revenue isn't directed into a municipal or provincial fund for recycling or whatever other ecological cause might actually result in some benefit. It's just revenue to the store.

https://urbanlabs.uchicago.edu/projects/chicago-bag-tax-study

One hundred billion plastic bags are used annually in America, where the majority end up in landfills, taking up to an estimated 1,000 years to decompose. In addition, paper bags also have significant environmental impacts—in 2015, paper production contributed to 20% of all toxic air releases in the US.

In early 2017, in an effort to curb disposable bag use, the City of Chicago implemented a seven-cent tax on all paper and plastic checkout bags. In partnership with ideas42 and New York University, the Energy & Environment Lab set to work to understand the effect of the tax.

The team discovered that Chicago’s bag tax significantly reduced disposable bag use and increased reusable bag use – a change that occurred within the first month of the tax. Importantly, these effects persisted a year after the tax implementation.

Some top-line findings:

• The likelihood of consumers using disposable bags significantly decreased; of consumers switching away from disposable bags, half switched to using reusable bags and the other half to using no bags at all.
• Before the tax went into effect, 82% of consumers in Chicago used at least one disposable bag per trip. Over the next year, the bag tax led to a 28 percentage point decrease in the use of any disposable bags.
• In addition to fewer consumers using disposable bags, more consumers were using reusable bags. Before the tax, only 13% of consumers in Chicago used a reusable bag. Over the next year, the bag tax more than doubled the likelihood of reusable bag use – a 16 percentage point increase.
• Due to the tax, more consumers opted to forgo bags altogether. Before the tax, just 8% of consumers in Chicago did not use any bags when grocery shopping. Over the next year, the likelihood of not using bags increased by 13 percentage points.