Loaded Gun Found by Guest on AK Dinosaur Ride

[com_op_2000]

See this article:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ey-gun-animal-kingdom-20130529,0,927853.story

 

[Sur]

Keep posted to further info!

What is Florida's gun rule- must there be a "no guns" sign for those who have conceal carry permits? I know I could look it up... guess I'm feeling like taking the easy route today, as I know the fastest answers come from DIS followers.

 

[AmyB2006]

Keep posted to further info!

What is Florida's gun rule- must there be a "no guns" sign for those who have conceal carry permits? I know I could look it up... guess I'm feeling like taking the easy route today, as I know the fastest answers come from DIS followers.

The gun rule is... Any private business has the right say "no guns allowed". However, having a CCW permit allows you to carry the gun anyway ACCORDING TO THE LAW. Now, can Disney remove you from the premise and ban you and your entire extended family from ever returning? Yes. They have that right as well. But FL law doesn't prohibit you from carrying a gun onto Disney property whether there is a sign or not saying "no guns".

ETA... He's lucky they didn't trespass him from coming back. I'm sure they want his money though

 

[hakepb]

I'm guessing Bag Checks will now become even less fun. Yesterday some prankster brought in a dry ice bomb into Disneylands Toontown where it exploded in a trash can

 

[kristenrice]

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

Based on this list, none would directly apply to WDW in general.

 

[gdrj]

I'm not a gun owner (not opposed to it either) and I understand the right to own a gun. I also realize that there are extreme hot buttons with this on both sides, and arguments can be made by both sides about the dangers and also the need for self protection no matter where you are.

However if you own a gun, do you really want to bring it to a Disney Theme Park? Also if you are going to do that and you do not take the appropriate safety measures, (like don't leave it behind on a ride), should you be charged with a crime. The NRA always says enforce the laws on the books.

I would think he should lose his conceal permit

 

[AmyB2006]

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

Based on this list, none would directly apply to WDW in general.

Exactly.

However if you own a gun, do you really want to bring it to a Disney Theme Park?

LOL. I am a gun owner and have a CCW. And I kind of agree that if you feel you need to bring a gun to Disney, you might as well just build yourself an underground bunker and live in it. But, that's not for me to decide for everyone. If someone wants to bring a gun, FL law doesn't prohibit it.

 

[erionm]

The following is a list of places where you are restricted from carrying a weapon or firearm even if you have a license. Please note that this is a simplified list. The places marked by an asterisk (*) may have exceptions or additional restrictions. See Section 790.06 (12), Florida Statutes for a complete listing.

any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05
any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station
any detention facility, prison, or jail; any courthouse
any courtroom*
any polling place
any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district
any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof
any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms
any school administration building
any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption*
any elementary or secondary school facility
any area technical center
any college or university facility*
inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport*
any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law

Based on this list, none would directly apply to WDW in general.

But, you need to go to this section of the FL Code for private property:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.251.html

This section is titled: “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”

 

[Tink_Kel]

If we travel any long distance by car, we always bring a hand gun....however, it stays in the resort safe until we are ready to check out. Bringing a gun into a Theme Park is just plain stupid (case and point "falling out of his pocket")...and why did the joker need a gun in a theme park anyway? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

 

[kristenrice]

I'm not a gun owner (not opposed to it either) and I understand the right to own a gun. I also realize that there are extreme hot buttons with this on both sides, and arguments can be made by both sides about the dangers and also the need for self protection no matter where you are.

However if you own a gun, do you really want to bring it to a Disney Theme Park? Also if you are going to do that and you do not take the appropriate safety measures, (like don't leave it behind on a ride), should you be charged with a crime. The NRA always says enforce the laws on the books.

I would think he should lose his conceal permit

My DH is a 23-year vet of the police department. When he is off-duty, he is still armed. He sees his gun almost like his cell phone...he doesn't usually NEED it, but in case of an emergency, he wants to make sure he has it available. He is different than an ordinary citizen because he has had extensive firearm training with regular testing and training to keep his skills up to date. He is also well-versed in the safe handling and retention of a pistol.

That being said, DH brings his gun with us when we drive to Florida. He leaves it home when we fly because it is simply too much hassle to fly with it. When we get to WDW, he locks it in the lockbox in the car. He sees no need for it once we're there, but since we drive for 2 days, he wants it with him on the road. My dad also has a CCW permit, but he leaves his gun at home when he travels. The only time his pistol leaves the house is when they go camping.

This is the statement that bothers me:
The owner, Angelo Lista, 44, of Royal Palm Beach claimed the firearm — which had five hollow point bullets inside — fell out of his back pocket during the bumpy Dinosaur ride, according to a Sheriff's Office incident report.

First, how can he claim that the "bumpy" ride cause the gun to fall "out of his BACKpocket? Uh, shouldn't he be sitting on it? Second, a back pocket is no place to safely conceal a handgun. A holster or a front or side pocket would be much safer, not to mention easier to access should the need arise.

 

[luckyman_apd]

Exactly.



LOL. I am a gun owner and have a CCW. And I kind of agree that if you feel you need to bring a gun to Disney, you might as well just build yourself an underground bunker and live in it. But, that's not for me to decide for everyone. If someone wants to bring a gun, FL law doesn't prohibit it.

Florida doesn't prohibit it, but Disney does. This is where people have no common sense. Rather than argue if you can.....how about people think about whether they should.

This is the main problem with many hot button issues. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

"... should be charged with a crime..." What crime, exactly? There's no penalty in America for stupidity, unfortunately.

Other than that, I think I'll sit this one out... for now.

 

[keishashadow]

hollow points are legal in FLA?

guess Angelo wanted to be prepared jik he needed to bag himself a rogue dinosaur.

This is the statement that bothers me:
The owner, Angelo Lista, 44, of Royal Palm Beach claimed the firearm — which had five hollow point bullets inside — fell out of his back pocket during the bumpy Dinosaur ride, according to a Sheriff's Office incident report.

 

[com_op_2000]

... Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Good "Jurassic Park" reference.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

Florida doesn't prohibit it, but Disney does. This is where people have no common sense. Rather than argue if you can.....how about people think about whether they should.

This is the main problem with many hot button issues. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

Oh the heck with it.

As I understand FL law, and I've looked over it pretty well since I possess a CCW in NC and we have reciprocity all the way to FL, Disney can't forbid me to have it on their property because they cannot make a "rule" that supersedes a state law.

I will concede the argument that they could charge me with trespass and ban me from the property, but, and that a HUGE "but," I seriously doubt this is a road Disney wants to go down unless they can come up with something else extraordinary to stand on the trespass charge besides the concealed weapons reason.

Don't fool yourselves into thinking that there aren't guns in those parks every day. If you don't believe it, you're simply sticking your head in the sand.

For the record, I have not, nor will I ever, carry a CCW into a Disney Park. I simply see no need. Period. But I will defend that guy's right to do so, if he wants and desires to. That's the law as I understand it and if people don't like it, they should rally their representatives and get it changed. Until then, it is the "law of the land" in FL, at least as I understand it.

 

[wiigirl]

Yikes!

 

[WilsonFlyer]

<snip> Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.</endsnip>

{Like}

 

[gdrj]

"... should be charged with a crime..." What crime, exactly? There's no penalty in America for stupidity, unfortunately.

Other than that, I think I'll sit this one out... for now.

I am not sure if there are laws that cover this, public endangerment? I am sure god forbid someone got shot he would be charged.

 

[gdrj]

:thumbsup

This is the statement that bothers me:
The owner, Angelo Lista, 44, of Royal Palm Beach claimed the firearm — which had five hollow point bullets inside — fell out of his back pocket during the bumpy Dinosaur ride, according to a Sheriff's Office incident report.

First, how can he claim that the "bumpy" ride cause the gun to fall "out of his BACKpocket? Uh, shouldn't he be sitting on it? Second, a back pocket is no place to safely conceal a handgun. A holster or a front or side pocket would be much safer, not to mention easier to access should the need arise.

My thoughts as well. He is the poster boy for background checks...if they include an IQ test!!!

 

[kristenrice]

But, you need to go to this section of the FL Code for private property:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.251.html

This section is titled: “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”

After reading through this statute, it appears that Disney cannot prohibit a licensed individual from securing their firearm in their vehicle while on Disney (or any other private) property.

The Legislature further finds that no citizen can or should be required to waive or abrogate his or her right to possess and securely keep firearms and ammunition locked within his or her motor vehicle by virtue of becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of any employer or business establishment within the state, unless specifically required by state or federal law.

It doesn't bother me either way if Disney prohibits firearms inside the parks. DH doesn't feel the need to bring his firearm into the parks, but someone else might not feel comfortable leaving it locked in their vehicle for fear that a criminal might steal it. I can see both sides...on one hand, if you have it with you, it is in your possession and you know where it is. On the other hand, you don't (or shouldn't) need a handgun inside a theme park where it could become dislodged from your back pocket on a bumpy ride.