Line Jumping?

[ccgirl]

I don't think anyone ever jumps with the intent to delay anothers experience...it is done to enhance their own (or that of their group). Again as to whether someones experience is delayed, please see my pp to LaurenT. I will agree with you in one regard, there is a difference as I believe this is one of the least offensive forms of line jumping.

I guess we agree to disagree then. It is done to enhance their own (i.e. shorten) their wait time. If daddy would ride without jr. that's fine. Else, he needs to wait at the end of the line for jr. to get done and they go together.

Rider swap for example. They get a fast pass to ride again. They wait at the END of the fastpass together. The dad does not get in the fastpass line alone and have jr. handed to him when he gets off the first line to save time waiting in line.

People are using this to shorten their wait time plain and simple. Yes, I do believe in setting an example for my children. My children are young enough for this but we don't do it. When my DD asks why jr. didn't have to get to the back of the line I tell her flat out that some people think it's okay to cheat.

Just because a book tells you that you should do something doesn't mean you should do it.

 

[Love Tink]

Be fair and do what brings the greatest amount of good to the most people!

With as much as a Disney vacation costs, we usually don't attack the parks thinking of it as a Socialist endeavor.

We're more worried about making our day as pleasant and full as we can for our own family. Anything that can make our day more efficient - but which doesn't impinge on the experience/fun of other guests - we do (Fastpass, rider switch, rope drop). We never did the Bubba Chuck, but we might have if I'd known about it.

I guess we're Disney Capitalists.

 

[mesaboy2]

With as much as a Disney vacation costs, we usually don't attack the parks thinking of it as a Socialist endeavor.

We're more worried about making our day as pleasant and full as we can for our own family. Anything that can make our day more efficient - but which doesn't impinge on the experience/fun of other guests - we do (Fastpass, rider switch, rope drop). We never did the Bubba Chuck, but we might have if I'd known about it.

I guess we're Disney Capitalists.

I'm with you!

 

[lilys.mom]

I wouldn't have a problem with it. A lot of the situations where people are considered "line jumpers" doesn't get to me as we've all had those moments where we're almost at the front of the line when one of the kids has to use the bathroom (in spite of our best efforts for it not to happen), so I don't mind if a parent leaves with the child and comes back. However, when it's a horde of teenagers pushing their way through the line -- that's a different story!

Thank you for this...the bathroom part. As I was reading this thread...I thouht to myself what if my DD4 has to use the restroom...and one of takes her and comes back and people start giving me dirty looks or acting mad....

 

[Bullseye]

With as much as a Disney vacation costs, we usually don't attack the parks thinking of it as a Socialist endeavor.

We're more worried about making our day as pleasant and full as we can for our own family. Anything that can make our day more efficient - but which doesn't impinge on the experience/fun of other guests - we do (Fastpass, rider switch, rope drop). We never did the Bubba Chuck, but we might have if I'd known about it.

I guess we're Disney Capitalists.

It's actually utilitarian in nature, and if making your day more efficient means you get your kid on the ride twice before a kid in line behind you gets to ride once then you're just being selfish. Too bad for your fellow man, right! Because you pay so much for your vacation and they don't??

 

[ccgirl]

Some people call it capitalist, I call it selfish. As in, I paid a lot of money (umm..I think we all did) so I don't care how it affects you - as long as I get what I want. Whatever. People who think this practice is acceptable are going to keep doing it no matter what others say. As for me, I will continue to set a good example that there is no line cutting.

A child using the bathroom was waiting in line to ride their ride. They did enter together as a family. That is not line cutting, if they need to go to the bathroom. If they have already ridden, they need to go back to the end of the line to wait.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Gosh I can see why these threads get closed every single time.

I love this issue and discussing it, but even I am sick and tired of the same old debate! It really is the same thing over and over every time.

no offense intended to anyone...I am as guilty as the next poster in rehashing this topic. probably moreso.

 

[Zeebs]

It's actually utilitarian in nature, and if making your day more efficient means you get your kid on the ride twice before a kid in line behind you gets to ride once then you're just being selfish. Too bad for your fellow man, right! Because you pay so much for your vacation and they don't??

Ahh but while my kid is getting thrown to the front of the dumbo line, he isn't lining up in another line therefore making it shorter for little johnnie riding that line, so does that cancel out my guilt of allowing a 2 year old to ride twice without waiting?

We don't use it because we like waiting as a family and riding to take photos etc, that said though the amount of people who "know" about it will be minimal and it won't impact on your wait.

You have one observant child if he notices one child riding again without getting back in the line.

Kirsten

 

[buffettgirl]

It's actually utilitarian in nature, and if making your day more efficient means you get your kid on the ride twice before a kid in line behind you gets to ride once then you're just being selfish. Too bad for your fellow man, right! Because you pay so much for your vacation and they don't??

I don't understand why it matters if the same kid rides twice before your kid, or if 2 different kids ride before your kid. Y our child's wait has not been lengthened one bit.

you and your child are AB, Riders D and N are different riders. There are still the same number of people ahead of you using up the same nubmer of dumbos Now, make Rider D&N the same rider. no difference. The wait is exactly the same for your child.
AB/CD/EF/GH/IJ/KL/MN DUMBO

There is absolutely no rules that says that 1 child can't ride twice. The parent has stayed in line, the parent/child combo is not taking an extra spot. Maybe instead of wasting time complaining about how unfair it is, maybe use it as an example of why it doesn't matter that little johnny rode twice.

 

[mesaboy2]

It's actually utilitarian in nature, and if making your day more efficient means you get your kid on the ride twice before a kid in line behind you gets to ride once then you're just being selfish. Too bad for your fellow man, right! Because you pay so much for your vacation and they don't??

Some people call it capitalist, I call it selfish. As in, I paid a lot of money (umm..I think we all did) so I don't care how it affects you - as long as I get what I want. Whatever. People who think this practice is acceptable are going to keep doing it no matter what others say. As for me, I will continue to set a good example that there is no line cutting.

A child using the bathroom was waiting in line to ride their ride. They did enter together as a family. That is not line cutting, if they need to go to the bathroom. If they have already ridden, they need to go back to the end of the line to wait.

Really? We're talking--at least I am--about Dumbo specifically. This strategy does not impact anyone else's experience as they do not wait any longer in this particular case. They do not sit you with strangers on Dumbo, therefore Parent 2 rides alone or with their kid. Who here would rather ride alone? I agree it may look bad to others, but that is the worst of it.

ETA: Note the caveat in the previous post: "but which doesn't impinge on the experience/fun of other guests".

 

[FOCUS]

I guess we agree to disagree then. It is done to enhance their own (i.e. shorten) their wait time. If daddy would ride without jr. that's fine. Else, he needs to wait at the end of the line for jr. to get done and they go together.

Rider swap for example. They get a fast pass to ride again. They wait at the END of the fastpass together. The dad does not get in the fastpass line alone and have jr. handed to him when he gets off the first line to save time waiting in line.

People are using this to shorten their wait time plain and simple. Yes, I do believe in setting an example for my children. My children are young enough for this but we don't do it. When my DD asks why jr. didn't have to get to the back of the line I tell her flat out that some people think it's okay to cheat.

Just because a book tells you that you should do something doesn't mean you should do it.

Um...I don't know if you are looking for an argument here, but I haven't said anything that disagrees with you...in fact I agree with you.

 

[Zeebs]

Some people call it capitalist, I call it selfish. As in, I paid a lot of money (umm..I think we all did) so I don't care how it affects you - as long as I get what I want. Whatever. People who think this practice is acceptable are going to keep doing it no matter what others say. As for me, I will continue to set a good example that there is no line cutting.

A child using the bathroom was waiting in line to ride their ride. They did enter together as a family. That is not line cutting, if they need to go to the bathroom. If they have already ridden, they need to go back to the end of the line to wait.

How though does it affect you? I think that is the question, I am quite open minded I just can't see how if it doesn't lengthen your journey to ride in the elephant and you have the opportunity to do this if you want to (by that I mean it isn't breaking a Disney rule)

Apart from the odd few most of us are talking about kids around the 2-4 age group. Really is it that big a deal, if my child learns the waiting rules on the other rides. As I said before we don't use it as we like to ride and wait together, but someone else doing it doesn't bother me.

We also will exit and go to the end of the line if a child has to go to the bathroom, as I can't stand the thought of pushing past people, but again i don't care if someone does it to me.

Kirsten

 

[notnothin]

I guess we're Disney Capitalists.

Seems like a tag-worthy quote to me!

 

[pbrim]

So let me say this another way...If a second adult only gets in line to give their child a second ride, then the line gets longer than if that second adult never got in line at all (because they didn't want to ride).

OK, but if the point is to give the child a second ride, parents have every right to do that. After all, I doubt that very many adults ride Dumbo just for themselves (some, but not many). So what difference does it make if Parent A gets in line with the child and waits the full amount of time in line, Parent B gets in line 24 people later and waits the full amount of time in line instead of Parent A gets in line with the child and Parent B gets in line with the child after Parent A exits the ride? Or worst case, both parents go in line with the child twice, taking up a total of 4 Dumbos instead of 2?

This particular family spends less total time waiting if they time when they enter the line separately, but it does not make one bit of difference to anyone else when the second parent gets in line relative to when the first parent gets in line. Surely you aren't saying that people are only allowed to go on each ride one time and one time only?

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I think all of this should be clearly explained on signs in the Dumbo queue.

With algebra equations if neccesary.

The line is long enough anyway and there isn't much else to do.

 

[Moira222]

Thanks for all the responces. I really dont know how I feel about it. And nice to hear everyone else's take.

I'm sure DH could careless about riding Dumbo (I for one want to ride it lol). But TSM both of use would love to ride (and more fun when DS is with you). But I am really not certain how I or others would feel about handing him off. But I do see how he might not do well standing in a lot of lines and having DH take him to get a drink or something then some back to the line (DH of course not riding) would be helpful. But again I am not looking to piss anyone off...

I was surprised to read this in Unofficial guide as something to do "Dumbo drop"

Seems that what you are describing for TSM is really a child swap, only instead of swapping so a parent waits with the child OFF the ride, you ride with the child instead of waiting. so you both wait in line together, but in stead of cramming in, the second parent waits for next go round. I think that if you were all waiting in the line together and just waited while spouse & child ride so that you could go after is much less rude &annoying than waiting in two different places in line.

Have to say that really how this bothers me & my family depends on the weather, length of the line & how its done. I totally have been in line with DH & DD only to have DD have to pee. one of us would stay in line while the other took her to the BR. but then only one of us would come back to join in, and only did then when we'd all ride in the same unit. and DD was 3. I get very unhappy when one person "saves a place" for 6 people.

so good luck with that!

 

[WDSearcher]

jumping with the intent of delaying another's experience is always wrong. and rude.

in the Chuck Bubba case....no one is delayed...so most agree it is fine.

so why is it any different if Dad slips under the chain on a turn in Dumbo to walk over to PP and get fastpasses (or even if he jogs to SM!) and then comes back and slips under the chain and rejoins his family on the next turn?

no one has been delayed 1 second by him doing this.

Correct. But nor has Dad "waited in line". He's done other stuff. He got FPs. The point of having someone "wait in line" is to actually have someone WAIT in line. You put in the time IN LINE in order to ride the ride. Doesn't seem outside the box as far as a requirement.

To go with your scenario, say there are 16 Dads in line. All 16 decide to leave the line for a sec and go get FPs for something else. 16 more people show up and, seeing no one waiting, get in line. The 16 Dads all come back. Who's in line, and where? Who polices it?

 

[mesaboy2]

Correct. But nor has Dad "waited in line". He's done other stuff. He got FPs. The point of having someone "wait in line" is to actually have someone WAIT in line. You put in the time IN LINE in order to ride the ride. Doesn't seem outside the box as far as a requirement.

To go with your scenario, say there are 16 Dads in line. All 16 decide to leave the line for a sec and go get FPs for something else. 16 more people show up and, seeing no one waiting, get in line. The 16 Dads all come back. Who's in line, and where? Who polices it?

No one in line for Dumbo? I doubt FPs are needed that day.

 

[Phil'sFrontier]

Phil...read the thread..this isn't about a park wide strategy...it's about one particular ride at which this particular strategy does not hold up the line or take any dumbo's away from anyone waiting in line.

Lauren, did you read my post?? Thanks for the tip....I did read the thread before I posted. I said I was bringing a little bit different perspective did I not?
If you wanted a thread run a certain way why not start your own. I mean you are not even the OP and you are telling me what I can and can't write.....can't we all get along with our own opinions and ideas?
My post concerned line ups and and so I thought it was relevant to the conversation.
My point was that even though you and others feel its OK to cut in line because a parent is saving a spot, it does affect others.
Say the line was 100 people; ten parents in line took the kid from the other parent to get a second ride. Say each kid takes 30 seconds to get in the car(or elephant) thats another 5 minutes that kids behind those will have to wait they whould not have had to if people didn't cut in line.
So for you to say extra kids in line don't hold it up and take time is not true. Each person takes time to get loaded. Even more if they are young kids.



fyi you came across very bossy and next time you want to shoot me down like that maybe think about it before posting

 

[ccgirl]

How though does it affect you? I think that is the question, I am quite open minded I just can't see how if it doesn't lengthen your journey to ride in the elephant and you have the opportunity to do this if you want to (by that I mean it isn't breaking a Disney rule)

Apart from the odd few most of us are talking about kids around the 2-4 age group. Really is it that big a deal, if my child learns the waiting rules on the other rides. As I said before we don't use it as we like to ride and wait together, but someone else doing it doesn't bother me.

We also will exit and go to the end of the line if a child has to go to the bathroom, as I can't stand the thought of pushing past people, but again i don't care if someone does it to me.

Kirsten

I think everyone is looking at this as if only 1 person did it. What if 20 people in front of you did it? The point is, I think if people actually waited at the end of the line like they are supposed to, I bet a lot of people wouldn't be as interested in riding it twice. If the whole waiting in line thing is cut out, I bet a lot more people would want to ride it twice. If dad had to actually wait until Johnny got off the ride and go to the end of the ride to go again, I bet dad wouldn't be waiting at all. Therefore, the people actually waiting in line get shorted! Whatever...the funny thing is the children know they should wait at the end of the line. They teach that in school. It's the parents making up the excuses of why they don't have to wait at the end of the line.