Line Cutting

[maxiesmom]

When the kids were younger, I would get on line with them and my DS would park the stroller and catch up to us is line. I think that is fair and OK.

same here, there were many occasions when my DH went and parked the stroller and then cought up with the other 8 of us. This was just a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm wondering how many people gave him the stink eye as he politely excused himself through the line.

He would never push or be rude though

For me, just trying to go past people in line is rude. Why not wait for your husband at the start of the line? If I had been there, I have to admit, I would have been giving him a bit of the stink eye. I would never say anything or try to block anyone, but it is a bit rude to push past others already in line.

 

[stargazertechie]

When the kids were younger, I would get on line with them and my DS would park the stroller and catch up to us is line. I think that is fair and OK.

same here, there were many occasions when my DH went and parked the stroller and then cought up with the other 8 of us. This was just a couple of weeks ago. Now I'm wondering how many people gave him the stink eye as he politely excused himself through the line.

He would never push or be rude though

See, that's not cool by me. Your WHOLE party needs to be together before you enter the line. Parking a stroller is in the same category as "stopping for food" or "getting a fastpass".

If EVERYONE is in line, and someone has to leave to use the bathroom- no problem

And yes, I would block him from passing me, and I would tell him that the rest of you guys would be more than welcome to move back and join him in line.

And yes, I HAVE blocked people from passing me.

If you weren't there to begin with, you have no right to pass people to catch up to your party who didn't wait for you.

 

[happytexasmom]

Not acceptable. Everyone should get into the line together. The FP runner can go ahead of everyone else to get the FPs, but everyone waits until the FP Runner gets there to get into line.

I'm so tired of the "I had to put the stroller away" excuse. Heres a thought.... Everyone in the party to go park the stroller together - Whats so hard about that?? Its not like your the first person in creation that had to take a stroller to Disney World people!!! Personally, that is what we always did (go as a group to park the stroller, go as a group to get in line), and if you ask me, its the only right way to do it. Sorry, no matter what, if you hopping infront of someone in line (even if your only one person), you are line hopping - its pretty simple math. Now, will I get in a huff about one Dad catching up to his wife and child? Probably not. However, I still think your very wrong for thinking its OK to do, and not think to highly of you. JMO

Oh, and the "My child had to go to the bathroom" excuse... If that happens to us, its our problem. I don't make it others problems by leaving the line for 20 minutes, then cutting back in there infront of them because my DD just couldn't hold it. If we really still want to get on that ride, we will get back at the end. Does it suck to have to do that? Yeah, it does. But I'd rather do the right thing. Plus, how many people do you think used the "I'm not cutting, my kid just went to the bathroom" line in a day???

OMG!! I had no idea people really got thier britches in such a bunch over this. I mean, I see how several people pushing through a line to catch up to people in line could get annoying, but just 1 person catching up to thier party is just not such a big deal. Not to me any way and not to a lot of people. I saw many moms and dads doing this, I didnt even bat an eyelash. They caused such minimal impact to my wait that I could not imagine letting it ruin my attitude on my vacation. But then again thats just me I don't stand around passing judgment on what I think is "acceptable" and what is not according to me and my mindset. I will let the Disney and the CM's decide on that.

 

[happytexasmom]

For me, just trying to go past people in line is rude. Why not wait for your husband at the start of the line? If I had been there, I have to admit, I would have been giving him a bit of the stink eye. I would never say anything or try to block anyone, but it is a bit rude to push past others already in line.

See, that's not cool by me. Your WHOLE party needs to be together before you enter the line. Parking a stroller is in the same category as "stopping for food" or "getting a fastpass".

If EVERYONE is in line, and someone has to leave to use the bathroom- no problem

And yes, I would block him from passing me, and I would tell him that the rest of you guys would be more than welcome to move back and join him in line.

And yes, I HAVE blocked people from passing me.

If you weren't there to begin with, you have no right to pass people to catch up to your party who didn't wait for you.

What yall need to understand is that by the time he got to the line there was maybe 10 people behind us

Why do we not wait for him??? because we think its dumb to have 9 people parking a stroller or standing by the entrance of a line blocking everyone else from walking freely.


to stargazertechie...........then you would have gotten a bit of a shock and would have probably been pretty upset for the rest of the day cuz he would have just ignored u and went around you.....unless you really think putting your hands on him would be smart

 

[YodaGirl]

Well, technically you're not patrons until you've ordered and paid. 'Acquiring' extras like straws, napkins, and condiments doesn't make you a customer. Purchasing does.

Per dictionary.com:

pa·tron
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–noun
1.
a person who is a customer, client, or paying guest, especially a regular one, of a store, hotel, or the like.

You're a patron as soon as you enter the restaurant in order to purchase something. If DH is in line to purchase food, he is considered a customer.

The procedure doesn't have anything to do with guests usurping the a/c. When it's in effect (peak travel times + peak dining times), it's to allow guests who are ready to eat to find tables immediately. When the procedure isn't needed it's not used, and guests are free to revert to the same old way of doing things...even though waiting until you have your food to sit seems to work .

Have you asked Disney why they have CM-directed seating during peak times?

I think that it's just as plausible (if not more so) that the goal is to prevent non-patrons (i.e. non-customers - people who are not there to purchase food) from taking up tables from patrons.

The logistics of the situation support my viewpoint. Restaurants are only allowed to have a certain amount of people in the building due to fire code. It stands to reason, that any decent restaurant would have enough seating for the number of people allowed by fire code. Disney is no exception. It doesn't matter if you have food sitting at your table, or if you just have straws and napkins, you have entered the building as a customer of that restaurant. The problem that comes into play is when non-patrons (those who have no intentions of purchasing anything from the restaurant) enter the building. During peak times, this causes a fire code issue. The people who are not purchasing take up space in the building, which can cause the restaurant to not be able to hold others who are actually going to pay. Once again, it doesn't matter if you have paid or if you are in line to pay. You are still considered a paying customer of that establishment.

The vast majority of the time, I see people sitting with their parties at the tables while one person gets the food. And, quite frankly, it works quite well - much better than groups of people hanging out (in line or not) taking up walking space, etc. As previously mentioned, it just makes sense.

 

[Wadecool]

What yall need to understand is that by the time he got to the line there was maybe 10 people behind us

Why do we not wait for him??? because we think its dumb to have 9 people parking a stroller or standing by the entrance of a line blocking everyone else from walking freely.


to stargazertechie...........then you would have gotten a bit of a shock and would have probably been pretty upset for the rest of the day cuz he would have just ignored u and went around you.....unless you really think putting
your hands on him would be smart

See, for your husband to get around the PP, your DH would need to be the one putting hands on someone else, and that point he'd (your DH) be the one doing something not smart. Your DH is not just going to go around people in line, simply because he wants to. If someone says no, then he stops in his tracks.

 

[Deb & Bill]

OMG!! I had no idea people really got thier britches in such a bunch over this. I mean, I see how several people pushing through a line to catch up to people in line could get annoying, but just 1 person catching up to thier party is just not such a big deal. Not to me any way and not to a lot of people. I saw many moms and dads doing this, I didnt even bat an eyelash. They caused such minimal impact to my wait that I could not imagine letting it ruin my attitude on my vacation. But then again thats just me I don't stand around passing judgment on what I think is "acceptable" and what is not according to me and my mindset. I will let the Disney and the CM's decide on that.

It's really not so difficult to wait until everyone can get into line together. How much time will it really take? Don't get so flipped out when others suggest you wait to get in line all at once instead of a few now, a few later and expect to be together. It just courtesy to wait and get in line all at once instead of expecting other to move aside to let your party members move up past them.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...Have you asked Disney why they have CM-directed seating during peak times?

I think that it's just as plausible (if not more so) that the goal is to prevent non-patrons (i.e. non-customers - people who are not there to purchase food) from taking up tables from patrons. ...

No, it's to make sure guests who have received their food have a place to sit. Last week lines were quite long and those waiting in line might have waited 15-20 minutes just to order and get their food. Others who already had their food could sit, eat and pretty much be gone before the later ones would even need to have a table.

At the Tall Tales Saloon, they were specifically telling guests without food to wait to find a table until they had their food in their hands. Same with Cosmic Ray's.

 

[stargazertechie]

to stargazertechie...........then you would have gotten a bit of a shock and would have probably been pretty upset for the rest of the day cuz he would have just ignored u and went around you.....unless you really think putting your hands on him would be smart

So your husband is so entitled that he would force his way through a crowd because you couldn't be bothered to wait for him?

He would have had to PHYSICALLY push his way past me, at which point I would have gotten a CM involved.

Your stroller, and lack of patience, is NOT my issue. He doesn't get to cut past 10 families just because YOU are in too much of a hurry to get in line.

If you don't want to wait for him to park a stroller, then DON'T bring a stroller.

 

[Tikitoi]

It really is getting to the point where Disney needs to do something about it. People know that they won't, so they can do whatever. Time to crack down. Sure the line cutters bought their tickets, but so did everyone else in line that didn't break the rules.

This is it. I'm not sure why Disney won't do anything about these people. Especially with the raising of ticket prices so they get more $$$ but how about putting some of it towards this before something too major happens (didn't read the entire thread).

 

[YodaGirl]

No, it's to make sure guests who have received their food have a place to sit. Last week lines were quite long and those waiting in line might have waited 15-20 minutes just to order and get their food. Others who already had their food could sit, eat and pretty much be gone before the later ones would even need to have a table.

At the Tall Tales Saloon, they were specifically telling guests without food to wait to find a table until they had their food in their hands. Same with Cosmic Ray's.

Interesting that you mentioned Pecos Bill's as that is the restaurant that I usually have in my mind when thinking about CS.

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, it's hard to tell if someone is waiting for food or if they're just taking up space. To prevent guesswork on the part of the CM, they prohibit anyone from sitting without food. It's plausible. It still goes back to the fire code argument. They can't have more people in the building than allowed by fire marshal. It's just good business sense to have seating for the amount allowed by the fire marshal.

 

[Tikitoi]

Would it be worth it to send a link of this to WDW? Or the Orlando Sentinel. Or is that even legal.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Interesting that you mentioned Pecos Bill's as that is the restaurant that I usually have in my mind when thinking about CS.

As has been mentioned previously in this thread, it's hard to tell if someone is waiting for food or if they're just taking up space. To prevent guesswork on the part of the CM, they prohibit anyone from sitting without food. It's plausible. It still goes back to the fire code argument. They can't have more people in the building than allowed by fire marshal. It's just good business sense to have seating for the amount allowed by the fire marshal.

They were not allowing anyone to enter the seating area at Tall Tales Saloon without food. CMs stand in the corridors and doorways directing guests.

 

[Tikitoi]

I'm all over that thread, and the only arguing going on in that one is not whether Casey killed her daughter, but how. Now the thread about leaving kids unattended in a vehicle, that's another story...

I think the only argument in that thread is whether she will just get life or the death penalty.

 

[maxiesmom]

What you need to understand is that it is rude for anyone to push their way past people who are already in line. Be it 10 people or 100. If it makes so little difference, why not just wait outside of the line? There is plenty of space in the parks, you don't have to stand right by the ride entrance. You can wait and be out of the way.

It just comes off sounding as if you think your time is too important to wait for your husband, but the people behind you in line, their time isn't important.

 

[Wadecool]

I think the only argument in that thread is whether she will just get life or the death penalty.

Agreed! At this point, if the Prosecutor offers her a deal it will be a choice between regular or extra crispy.

 

[JUJU814]

See, for your husband to get around the PP, your DH would need to be the one putting hands on someone else, and that point he'd (your DH) be the one doing something not smart. Your DH is not just going to go around people in line, simply because he wants to. If someone says no, then he stops in his tracks.

Am I the only one who finds it really amusing that people are now getting their husbands into hypothetical physical altercations over hypothetical incidents that haven't even happened??

My hubby just pointed that out to me.

 

[vwdennis71]

I hate it when little kids start pushing past us in line and their parents don't stop them, they just follow them. They are creating a new generation of line cutters instead of teaching their children manners!

 

[kaytieeldr]

I am sorry that you feel so passionately about this as this is probably something you won't be able to change. To me, there are many things in life I don't agree with, but I accept and move on. It's just not a battle I want to fight.

Our family won't change our dining habits at the CS at WDW. I apologize in advance to you if you find our kids sitting down waiting for me to bring the food. I consider us a patron of the restuarant once I step in that line to order food. We won't change our habits because of a handful of people on this board who think it's somehow incorrect to do so.

And they are all WDW restaurants. If I order something from a street vendor, but step inside a restaurant to eat/drink it, I am a patron of WDW dining. We've done this before where part of our party carries food from another location to where we've decided to eat as they didn't want to eat at that particular restaurant. This is especially true at Epcot WS, but we've done it at some of the other parks as well.

All of which is perfectly fine when there are plenty of available tables, it's not peak dining time during busy travel periods, there aren't Cast Members controlling the seating, or any combination of the above.

When you can't sit without food, your whole party doesn't have to wait in line with you. There's open space in all those restaurants where they can wait without being in the way. Guests who've experienced this procedure -again, only effected when necessary - say it works. So what's the objection?

 

[stargazertechie]

Am I the only one who finds it really amusing that people are now getting their husbands into hypothetical physical altercations over hypothetical incidents that haven't even happened??

My hubby just pointed that out to me.

I could give you the real example that happened last May.

I was in line at HM. There was a man and 2 kids up in front of me... probably 10-15 families ahead of me. All of a sudden, there were 5 kids and 3 adults behind me. They were all trying to push their way up to the rest of their aforementioned family.

When I told the man (who was 6'5 and built like a brick house) that no, I would not move for him to cut in front of me, he started swearing at me and wound up to take a swing at me. One of the women in the party stopped him, but CMs did get involved.


The guy's excuse "My kids wanted a #*!@ Mickey bar, so we stopped to get one on our way into the line"