line cutting

[crazycatlady]

Most reasonable people have no problem with a parent taking a child to the bathroom.

Were you agreeing with me or did you misunderstand my post?
I agree that I wouldn't have a problem with a parent LEAVING a line to take a child to a bathroom. What I don't agree with is one parent GETTING in line while the other parent takes a child to the bathroom, gets a fp, etc. and then cuts in front of everyone to meet up with the parent in line. Both parents should wait for after the bathroom break/fp and then enter the line together IMO. Again, if they are ALREADY in line and a child needs to use the bathroom, then I would not expect the whole family to leave the line and start over.

 

[minnie mum]

Most reasonable people have no problem with a parent taking a child to the bathroom.

This!!! I'm in a wheelchair (DH is the nice smily man pushing me around) so it takes a real effort to cut in front of us. But people still try. And I totally have no problem with a parent and little one trying to reach the rest of their party.
But I have NO sympathy for the groups of teens/young adults who insist that they must rejoin their group. Really? This attitude of self-entitlement really irks me. They never seem to be just one person who badly needed a bathroom break. Usually come in small packs.
DH usually fills in the wait line space beside me so that we can chat without me getting a crick in my neck. Anyone other than the aforementioned parent with small child- DH will calmly and quietly tell them that if it is absolutely vital that they only experience the attraction with the (alleged, never actually in sight) group up ahead, then OF COURSE their group would assuredly wait for them. For some reason there is usually no response to this, other than the occasional stink eye.

 

[OandA]

Um no. A hip check is shifting your weight from one foot to the other moving your hip from one side to the other while standing still.

"Form of Violence"

DEFINITION: Hip-checking (v)
When a person drops to a near-crouching stance and swings his hips toward another person, sending the other person off balance, often falling.

Sounds like violence to me...

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Were you agreeing with me or did you misunderstand my post?
I agree that I wouldn't have a problem with a parent LEAVING a line to take a child to a bathroom. What I don't agree with is one parent GETTING in line while the other parent takes a child to the bathroom, gets a fp, etc. and then cuts in front of everyone to meet up with the parent in line. Both parents should wait for after the bathroom break/fp and then enter the line together IMO. Again, if they are ALREADY in line and a child needs to use the bathroom, then I would not expect the whole family to leave the line and start over.

Yes! I was agreeing with you! Sorry, didn't give you the !

 

[MaryKatesMom]

DEFINITION: Hip-checking (v)
When a person drops to a near-crouching stance and swings his hips toward another person, sending the other person off balance, often falling.

Sounds like violence to me...

Thanks for your definition. However, it isn't the same as mine.

How many people stand in line in a "near-crouching position" waiting for someone to line cut?

 

[crazycatlady]

Yes! I was agreeing with you! Sorry, didn't give you the !

 

[OandA]

Thanks for your definition. However, it isn't the same as mine.
:

That isn't my definition. It's Webster's. It is the one the free world uses.

 

[MelissathePooh]

No one is allowed to touch another person.

I have held hands with my kids in the Soarin' line so people don't get past us. How violent it that!!!

You're the one who was all for supporting the hipcheck Look I've never been anywhere in Disney that I felt like creating some sort of physical blockade was necessary - whether by elbows out, knees up, holding hands or whatever. My family has no need to police Disney queues in any situation. If we have a problem we take it to a CM. Hearing the cheers of a crowd behind for blocking a couple of Brazilian teens on Soarin' (as so many folks brag about on these boards) really wouldn't do anything for my ego or make my day go any smoother.

But that's just me and my family. Had that guy at Pooh last year (when the CM asked us to move up as a party of 2) actually touched or hipchecked or elbowed me or my son - THINKING he was blocking a line jumper - it would not only have been addressed with Disney, but with the Orange County PD. He wasn't paying attention to the CM and just thought we were trying to cut. He physicall stuck his arms out and put his hand in my face. With a nasty voice said "NO - keep your party together!" He put his arms back on the wall and railings and stood there snarling at me and DS6 (at the time). I finally had to call out to the CM who then explained to the guy that we had been asked to come forward.

Now I realize that is a different circumstance than someone who actually does just cut in line, but the to me it doesn't really matter. No one has the right to intimdate another person with implied force. People at Disney do stupid stuff, they don't know what the general procedures are, they're excited, they make stupid mistakes. Most people aren't out to get anybody. The occasional jerk will or group of people, but most people aren't out to get other people at Disney.

Feeling threatened by someone in line at Pooh is simply not acceptable. I'm sure he was quite proud thinking he was going to block some mom and her little boy from cutting in line - all he did was ruin my morning with the whole encounter.

So no - I just don't get it. If I felt like I had to make a human chain with my kids to keep people from getting in front of us - I wouldn't be at that attraction.

 

[lovebug33]

From what I gather, certain line cutting is allowed, like taking little guys to the bathroom or parking a stroller. So, what we need to do is make a survey to take to the parks with us. Then, we can ask people the important questions: Were you taking a child to the bathroom? Were you parking the stroller? Or, are you just an inconsiderate jerk? Then, after we have questioned the offending party, we can then decide to let them go, or give them a good check with our hip and send them cascading down to the ground, where we hope they writhe in pain for hours for punishment of their sins.

 

[disneygirl7825]

this is very weird..this is the first time ive ever heard of someone cutting lines in disney. its suppose to be the happiest place on earth, where no one is rude. ive never seen someone cut or try to cut us. but these are some good stories!

glad no one cut me....im not very good at just letting things slide...

 

[pktbMouse]

Were you agreeing with me or did you misunderstand my post?
I agree that I wouldn't have a problem with a parent LEAVING a line to take a child to a bathroom. What I don't agree with is one parent GETTING in line while the other parent takes a child to the bathroom, gets a fp, etc. and then cuts in front of everyone to meet up with the parent in line. Both parents should wait for after the bathroom break/fp and then enter the line together IMO. Again, if they are ALREADY in line and a child needs to use the bathroom, then I would not expect the whole family to leave the line and start over.

And this is written in which rule book???? good grief...
I dare anyone to comment to me about doing this while I am at Disney.......seriously folks...come on..get a life!! Its Sunday..go do something more productive and let this one go.

 

[tony609]

I have been to WDW many times, I don't think anyone has ever cut in front of us, Or I just can't remember, unless maybe you count those free loading theatre shows like It's tough to be a Bug or Muppets 3-d. BUT I usually think there trying to catch up to there party.

Has anyone else never had a line cutter????

 

[OandA]

And this is written in which rule book???? good grief...
I dare anyone to comment to me about doing this while I am at Disney.......seriously folks...come on..get a life!! Its Sunday..go do something more productive and let this one go.

It's not written in any rule book. It's called common courtesy. Some people just don't have it.

 

[MelissathePooh]

I have been to WDW many times, I don't think anyone has ever cut in front of us, Or I just can't remember, unless maybe you count those free loading theatre shows like It's tough to be a Bug or Muppets 3-d. BUT I usually think there trying to catch up to there party.

Has anyone else never had a line cutter????

I've mostly seen it at the bus stops of the moderate/deluxe resorts where there's no real guide. A random one or two people trying to catching up in TSM (most people get held outside the buidling if they aren't together anymore), we don't do mornings at Soarin - a handful of times other places. Probably 75-100 trips to WDW, every month of the year except November.

Some people enjoy confrontation and feeling morally superior more than others. We tend to have more issues with rude or uninvolved CM's than other guests.

 

[Phil'sFrontier]

And this is written in which rule book???? good grief...
I dare anyone to comment to me about doing this while I am at Disney.......seriously folks...come on..get a life!! Its Sunday..go do something more productive and let this one go.

Wow, you feel strongly about this don't you.
I can't say I agree though.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

You're the one who was all for supporting the hipcheck Look I've never been anywhere in Disney that I felt like creating some sort of physical blockade was necessary - whether by elbows out, knees up, holding hands or whatever. My family has no need to police Disney queues in any situation. If we have a problem we take it to a CM. Hearing the cheers of a crowd behind for blocking a couple of Brazilian teens on Soarin' (as so many folks brag about on these boards) really wouldn't do anything for my ego or make my day go any smoother.

But that's just me and my family. Had that guy at Pooh last year (when the CM asked us to move up as a party of 2) actually touched or hipchecked or elbowed me or my son - THINKING he was blocking a line jumper - it would not only have been addressed with Disney, but with the Orange County PD. He wasn't paying attention to the CM and just thought we were trying to cut. He physicall stuck his arms out and put his hand in my face. With a nasty voice said "NO - keep your party together!" He put his arms back on the wall and railings and stood there snarling at me and DS6 (at the time). I finally had to call out to the CM who then explained to the guy that we had been asked to come forward.

Now I realize that is a different circumstance than someone who actually does just cut in line, but the to me it doesn't really matter. No one has the right to intimdate another person with implied force. People at Disney do stupid stuff, they don't know what the general procedures are, they're excited, they make stupid mistakes. Most people aren't out to get anybody. The occasional jerk will or group of people, but most people aren't out to get other people at Disney.

Feeling threatened by someone in line at Pooh is simply not acceptable. I'm sure he was quite proud thinking he was going to block some mom and her little boy from cutting in line - all he did was ruin my morning with the whole encounter.

So no - I just don't get it. If I felt like I had to make a human chain with my kids to keep people from getting in front of us - I wouldn't be at that attraction.

I'm sorry that happened to you. It does sound like a terrible experience and it shouldn't have happened.

However, holding hands with my kids to prevent people from going past us I'm still going to do. Sorry if you find that intimidating or threatening.

 

[Bullseye]

I watch as many line cutters go through as the rest of you, but there is a breaking point.

You're so worried about the line cutters rights to not be inhibited, but you're willing to disregard the line cutters duty to wait his turn. A parent getting back in line with a little kid from a bathroom break is one thing. But someone just trying to move up in line 87 places to meet up with someone else is not fair or allowed by WDW rules and you shouldn't just let people do whatever they want. We should all wait in the hot sun for 45 minutes but the line jumpers don't have to because they're willing to be jerks and you're ok with that!

I'm not saying you have to literally slide up with your hip and knock the person over the railing, just get your body in the way so they know you're not cool with them cutting the line!!! I mean its common courtesy and sense.

 

[Vivianne]

I have been to WDW many times, I don't think anyone has ever cut in front of us, Or I just can't remember, unless maybe you count those free loading theatre shows like It's tough to be a Bug or Muppets 3-d. BUT I usually think there trying to catch up to there party.

Has anyone else never had a line cutter????

I had a group of 10 people jumping the ropes trying to "catch up with
their party". I asked the matriarch of this group, how many more were
going to jump in front of me? In Spanish She just squirmed. There's just so much tolerance I can handle. My husband was just a bit surprised I would
say something..I'm a 5'2" middle aged lady.

Another time I told a twenty-something 6ft man to stop spitting at the
ducks while we were waiting on the bridge for the fireworks at MK.
It was windy and I was preventing his spit from landing on my face.


Common courtesy is not that important in our society.

 

[Poohrulz]

Um no. A hip check is shifting your weight from one foot to the other moving your hip from one side to the other while standing still.

This is my definition of a hip check as well. I've never seen this crouching, menacing version of a hip check. Sounds almost ninja. But I'm a rebel, I don't adhere to regular definitions, I guess.

I'm surprised I didn't get thrown out of the park last year when a group of teens tried to cut through, and I merely shifted my weight from my left side to my right, hands on the rail on either side. I made eye contact and gave them a big smile. No one was injured from running into my bodonkadonk. I could hear one of the teens talking to friends on his cell a few minutes later that they had tried to cut and got stopped by some "old lady" (and that right there hurt worse than any ninja hipchecks ).

ETA: No one actually ran into my badonkadonk. Because I feel I need to make that clear in this thread before someone starts yelling "child abuser!" at me. I work for CPS, lol.

 

[OandA]

This is my definition of a hip check as well. I've never seen this crouching, menacing version of a hip check. Sounds almost ninja. But I'm a rebel, I don't adhere to regular definitions, I guess.

I'm surprised I didn't get thrown out of the park last year when a group of teens tried to cut through, and I merely shifted my weight from my left side to my right, hands on the rail on either side. I made eye contact and gave them a big smile. No one was injured from running into my bodonkadonk. I could hear one of the teens talking to friends on his cell a few minutes later that they had tried to cut and got stopped by some "old lady" (and that right there hurt worse than any ninja hipchecks ).

What you did wasn't a hip check. You shifted weight. Even if you don't crouch, a hip check is meant to inflict FORCE and usually significant force.