line cutting

[Poohrulz]

I'm sure to some people it doesn't, but to stew over it and then to come back from vacation & post about it makes it sound like it ruined your day or atleast made it unpleasant.

I know when my incident occurred, it happened, and I didn't think about it at all afterwards. Actually didn't even remember it until I saw this thread. No stewing here.

 

[Wadecool]

It doesn't matter. You can't cause physical harm to other guests at the park. You will be asked (forced) to leave and forfeit your tickets. Especially something such as forceful a hip check you won't have a defense. "He tried to cut me so I hit him." If the cutter wanted to they could probably file charges against the hip-checker too.

And you know this how exactly?? If you're going to be making statements like that and expect others to take you seriously, you'd better have some official credentials in your signature. Anyone can say pretty much anything here, including you. And for the record, if someone tries to push past me in line, I DO have the right to stand my ground, with or without your explicit permission. If they are walking forward and run into my 300 lbs of considerable girth, I don't know that they will fall down necessarily, but they will certainly go back from whence they came.

 

[Bullseye]

I'm sure to some people it doesn't, but to stew over it and then to come back from vacation & post about it makes it sound like it ruined your day or atleast made it unpleasant.

I didn't just come back from vacation and post about it. It's been nine months since I came back from vacation and someone else started a thread about line cutting today and I just put my two cents in. It's a discussion board!!

And you know this how exactly?? If you're going to be making statements like that and expect others to take you seriously, you'd better have some official credentials in your signature. Anyone can say pretty much anything here, including you. And for the record, if someone tries to push past me in line, I DO have the right to stand my ground, with or without your explicit permission. If they are walking forward and run into my 300 lbs of considerable girth, I don't know that they will fall down necessarily, but they will certainly go back from whence they came.

Just like the people who always quote what Walt would want or do in a given situation!

 

[Wadecool]

I watch as many line cutters go through as the rest of you, but there is a breaking point.

You're so worried about the line cutters rights to not be inhibited, but you're willing to disregard the line cutters duty to wait his turn. A parent getting back in line with a little kid from a bathroom break is one thing. But someone just trying to move up in line 87 places to meet up with someone else is not fair or allowed by WDW rules and you shouldn't just let people do whatever they want. We should all wait in the hot sun for 45 minutes but the line jumpers don't have to because they're willing to be jerks and you're ok with that!

I'm not saying you have to literally slide up with your hip and knock the person over the railing, just get your body in the way so they know you're not cool with them cutting the line!!! I mean
its common courtesy and sense.

Apparently, some here believe that the line cutters rights supersede the rights of those folks who
already had a previously established position.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

I know when my incident occurred, it happened, and I didn't think about it at all afterwards. Actually didn't even remember it until I saw this thread. No stewing here.

Although I do remember them, I don't stew.

Well, except once, 1992. I was at MK and two French guests (my DH speaks) male teenagers had a special needs certificate (I don't think they do this anymore) which they said cleary said in french they didn't need and were laughing and joking about while they cut past what seemed like every line we were in. It was clearly an abuse. Still steams me to this day because people like that make it more difficult for those truly in need to get help.

Actually, this is pre-FP so all you did was stand in line except for early morning. Considering they pushed past absolutely everyone and went right to the front of the line they could have passed us in every line.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Why does everyone assume that if you won't facilitate a line cutters clear access to the front of the line that it ruins your day??

Whether I let them pass uninhibited or purposely get in their way to make it difficult for them, it doesn't ruin my day one bit. I'm just not going to be completely passive about it and let rule breakers do whatever they want. Not knowing the rules or being excited about a ride doesn't give you a free pass to the front?? People all over the world know the basic rules of line waiting, especially at amusement/theme parks!!

Maybe you aught to start watching some hockey? You are not doing it right.

Those skates will come in darn handy at the park.

I'll be looking for you crouching and ready to spring.

 

[OandA]

Source: Disney Park Rules and Regulations:

Please respect fellow Park Guests while waiting for attractions, shows, characters and parades. Please be careful not to bump into, push or move ahead of others in the queue. Also, the entire party must wait together. Members of a party are not allowed to join those already in the queue.

There are the rules. Your party must enter the queue together. You cannot move ahead of others. You cannot push other guests.

 

[Wadecool]

Source: Disney Park Rules and Regulations:

Please respect fellow Park Guests while waiting for attractions, shows, characters and parades. Please be careful not to bump into, push or move ahead of others in the queue. Also, the entire party must wait together. Members of a party are not allowed to join those already in the queue.

There are the rules. Your party must enter the queue together. You cannot move ahead of others. You cannot push other guests.

So, according to the official WDW documentation you have quoted here, those of us who choose to stand our ground in line are justified in doing so. Thanks for helping to clarify this.

 

[OandA]

So, according to the official WDW documentation you have quoted here, those of us who choose to stand our ground in line are justified in doing so. Thanks for helping to clarify this.

As long as you stand still and don't push people or bump them then yup. You can create a wall, turn sideways, hold arms, whatever you want. You just can't push into other guests or bump into them. If they bump into you and you are standing still then you are fine. I'm sure hip-checking would be considered pushing and bumping though.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Source: Disney Park Rules and Regulations:

Please respect fellow Park Guests while waiting for attractions, shows, characters and parades. Please be careful not to bump into, push or move ahead of others in the queue. Also, the entire party must wait together. Members of a party are not allowed to join those already in the queue.

There are the rules. Your party must enter the queue together. You cannot move ahead of others. You cannot push other guests.

They should post that somewhere obvious.

 

[Wadecool]

As long as you stand still and don't push people or bump them then yup. You can create a wall, turn sideways, hold arms, whatever you want. You just can't push into other guests or bump into them. If they bump into you and you are standing still then you are fine.

Thanks., that's all I was saying. Being very tall and very wide I can do the standing still while creating a wall fairly effectively. I'm way too out of shape to be attempting any "crouching" ninja moves anyway.

 

[larryz]

So, according to the official WDW documentation you have quoted here, those of us who choose to stand our ground in line are justified in doing so. Thanks for helping to clarify this.

But you know that people who are line jumping are already breaking one tenet of that policy, and they aren't going to hesitate to break others. The problems start when they touch you without your permission, which is not only a breach of Disney etiquette and protocol, but also a legal offense -- assault and/or battery. Hence, Tonka Skipper's vindication when the people who assaulted him were removed.

You're in Florida when you're at WDW, and the Florida State Statutes say:

784.011 Assault.

(1) An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

784.03 Battery; felony battery.

(1)(a) The offense of battery occurs when a person:

1. Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or
2. Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.

So, yeah, a well-timed hip check could be construed as battery. But if you're standing in one spot, not moving, and someone pushes YOU in an attempt to get in front of you... that's battery too.

 

[Love Tink]

As I used to tell my kids, "Use your words."

I think most people will listen if you say "No, you can't walk by me." They may grumble, but they probably won't push you out of the way (and if they do, then they are the only ones at fault).

That's a lot more reasonable than the hip check - with or without crouching.

 

[ZellyB]

Apparently, some here believe that the line cutters rights supersede the rights of those folks who
already had a previously established position.

I haven't seen anyone here say that. You might be being hyperbolic to make a point, but if not then you should probably re-read. What I am saying is that for me the infrequency and minimal disruption to me doesn't make me interested in being confrontational or engaging in some sort of line-blocking strategy. I can't possibly know every reason a person might be out of line and trying to rejoin their party. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Contrary to what I've seen some people say here, I do find that the vast majority of people adhere to the established guidelines and common courtesy. Thus, the exceptions to that rule don't general cause me any concern. I know that's not true for others and that's fine. To each his own.

I guess it's just that I've read enough of these threads that it only seems to be those who find the line-cutting to be not only prevalent and utterly reprehensible who make up the majority of the posts to them. Just thought I'd put forward an alternative viewpoint as a few others have. You know, discussion board and all that.

 

[Bullseye]

As long as you stand still and don't push people or bump them then yup. You can create a wall, turn sideways, hold arms, whatever you want. You just can't push into other guests or bump into them. If they bump into you and you are standing still then you are fine. I'm sure hip-checking would be considered pushing and bumping though.

Anyway, I like to use the hip check as a deterrent for line cutters, I get my booty in the way!!!

Yeah but you didn't quote me in full context from the git-go. I qualified my hip check technique by saying "I get my booty in the way". All you did was latch on to hip-check and run with it!!

Here let me say it for you this way, it's a quasi hip check, move your butt, body, whatever in the way so loser's who like to cut in line cannot get by you easily!!!

 

[Wadecool]

I haven't seen anyone here say that. You might be being hyperbolic to make a point, but if not then you should probably re-read. What I am saying is that for me the infrequency and minimal disruption to me doesn't make me interested in being confrontational or engaging in some sort of line-blocking strategy. I can't possibly know every reason a person might be out of line and trying to rejoin their party. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. Contrary to what I've seen some people say here, I do find that the vast majority of people adhere to the established guidelines and common courtesy. Thus, the exceptions to that rule don't general cause me any concern. I know that's not true for others and that's fine. To each his own.

I guess it's just that I've read enough of these threads that it only seems to be those who find the line-cutting to be not only prevalent and utterly reprehensible who make up the majority of the posts to them. Just thought
I'd put forward an alternative viewpoint as a few others have. You know,
discussion board and all that.

I actually wasn't being hyperbolic in the quote you were referring to. I was making reference to a PP who stated that someone who holds their position in line instead of giving way to a line cutter would be in the wrong and could be committing a crime. While the PP didn't specifically say that line cutters rights should supersede someone who had an established position, that idea was clearly inferred. You can reread those posts to your hearts content if you wish, I have already done so. And you certainly have the right to look the other way as someone else breaks the rules in front of you, but I choose not to. That is certainly the great thing about discussion boards and all that.

 

[MaryKatesMom]

Yeah but you didn't quote me in full context from the git-go. I qualified my hip check technique by saying "I get my booty in the way". All you did was latch on to hip-check and run with it!!

Here let me say it for you this way, it's a quasi hip check, move your butt, body, whatever in the way so loser's who like to cut in line cannot get by you easily!!!

 

[WLSILVERCREEKSPRINGS]

I'm always amazed by these threads, I've only been to DW 9 times, 7 of those trips were in mid June, but I don't think we've ever had an issue with people trying to cut in line or maybe I just wasn't paying attention.

 

[Hannathy]

And for the record, if someone tries to push past me in line, I DO have the right to stand my ground, with or without your explicit permission. If they are walking forward and run into my 300 lbs of considerable girth, I don't know that they will fall down necessarily, but they will certainly go back from whence they came.

yep! My DD doesn't weigh 300 lbs but she is a catcher in softball and believe me when she plants herself in the line someone would have a hard time going around her. We don't push or touch the people. We just say no and don't move. I'm only 5 ft but it is surprising how a "NO" said with the right amount of and I mean it stops people in their tracks. They know they are doing what the shouldn't be. and like I said if the no doesn't stop them they would have to then get by my DD and then my DH while not 300 is over 200. If you just stand you ground in the line without moving it is hard to get around a few people without getting physical.

As far as it ruining my day, it would bother me by letting someone cut in front of me far longer than stopping them.

 

[Bullseye]

I'm always amazed by these threads, I've only been to DW 9 times, 7 of those trips were in mid June, but I don't think we've ever had an issue with people trying to cut in line or maybe I just wasn't paying attention.

Yeah thats weird... all of my trips the last seven years except one were early to mid June and while it's definitely not an epidemic, I would say over a 10 day stay, there's at least 5 incidiences with folks weedeling their way up through the line without waiting. For me the more it happens over the trip, the more likley I am to start blocking out. I mean I don't want confrontation at WDW either, but after a while enough is enough.