Line cutting and fast pass problems...

[JVL1018]

Now I wonder what to do if one of my kids needs to use the bathroom? My husband and I will be going in April with four year old triplets and a baby. What do we do if we are in line and one of the kids needs to make an emergency bathroom trip. I'm all for making them use the bathroom often, but sometimes emergencies happen with little ones.

This will be our first post-potty training trip where the kids will have to stand in longer lines for things.

Please help! I don't want to be a line cutter! Yet, I don't want to pull my whole family out of line for one short bathroom trip.

Thank you!

I really don't mind if a little kid has to leave and come back, even though I personally would leave and not come back, or come back and get at the end of the line.
But I have been to WDW with a newly potty trained 3 yr old twice, 4 yr old, 5 yr old, every young age and not once have either of my children ever had to go so badly that we had to leave a line.

Anyone have to go to the bathroom??
No, mommy.
You sure? You know what, let's just go now anyway.

Problem solved. Make your kids go when you pass a bathroom, before getting on the rides, even if they say they don't have to.

 

[JVL1018]

Ok I am one of the people who send the family to one ride and go get the fastpass. And yes I then find a time to join them. I know I am not loved here. And yes I have had the child who said ("i have to go to the bathroom)My problem is the reverse when a single person is on the line and the "rest" of the party join them. That means they were on another ride while the rest of us wait to get on this one.

Either way people are getting ahead in line without having waited, pushing the people behind them back, whether it's one spot or 5.

What if 10 people did what you did in front of me? 1 per family?
That's okay, but 10 people joining 1 isn't-because they might have been having fun on a ride while you were just getting a fastpass?

People having fun instead of waiting=bad.
People running errands instead of waiting=good.
I don't get the justification.

You getting a fastpass or someone being on a ride makes NO difference, the result is still the same for all the people in line behind you.

 

[Hannathy]

I would like the people who send their family in line while they get fast passes to explain to me how are they going to catch up with their family and do you have a plan for when you can't? Because like I said you aren't getting around my family and I wish more people would just stand their ground because no where is it written that I HAVE to let line cutters in front of me. Only once in all of our trips with kids from 2 up did anyone ever have to go to the BR while in line and it was my DH who wasn't feeling well and he left the line used the facilities and then waited for us at the exit of the ride.

 

[xraydave]

Sounds like most of you need to plan your days a little better. You NEED to go to a site like TourGuideMike and understand where the crowds will be and how to avoid them. There are better parks to go to on different days. If you do your homework before you go, you lessen the chance of encountering the mobs!

IMO there is nothing wrong with one member of the party going for FPs while the rest wait in line. OR a youngen' needing the bathroom while waiting in line. It's the system that's there and everyone has the opportunity to take advantage of it. Flame me if you like.

I don't like to see large groups of people cutting in line to meet one person holding their space. But if it's one or two rejoining a large group, why not?

If you think Disney is bad, you should try Hersheypark in PA. There are days there where you could spend literally all day waiting in line and only get to ride 4 or five rides. ALL DAY.

Even during the busiest times, there are ways to avoid the massses. DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

Sorry, I think I got mixed up with another thread here.

I still don't have a problem with one or two "catching up" with their group. And I will make it to my family even if you think you are "standing your ground."

 

[Hannathy]

I still don't have a problem with one or two "catching up" with their group. And I will make it to my family even if you think you are "standing your ground."

How? Because with my family you would have to physically move us and I'm not sure how you would do it.

 

[BriarRosie]

I think it's also a cultural thing. We Americans as a whole are highly intolerant
of people cutting the lines, and we get very territorial. That being said, I
know I have allowed myself to get irritated at those who try to push their
way ahead. I've also used my body to prevent those I thought were
abusing the "I'm meeting my family" excuse to prevent them from moving up.
If it's only one person, I'm fairly tolerant. I won't let that bother me.

But if it's a crowd of people who clearly are cutting to meet one or two
people ahead of them, the one or two people in front should be allowing
the rest of us in line ahead of them until their party catches up to them.
I definitely don't allow a crowd of people push themselves in front of me.
There are times I want to shout, "If your family really loved you, they would
wait for you!"

I'm not a parent, but I'm very tolerant if I see a parent with a toddler
attempt to join the other parent and kids. One parent. One or two kids
who clearly needed a "potty emergency"....I'm fine with it. I won't let
that bother me, either.

But my friends who went to Disneyland Paris shared with me how things
are handled in Europe, and it's a pretty big culture shock to those of us
used to waiting in lines. They were telling me that it was common to be
aggressive and push and shove your way into lines. I can see many
of us Americans completely bust a gut over this. But they learned that
they needed to push and shove at times to keep up with the Europeans.

The really only time I get bent out of shape with line cutters is when a large
group of people (especially teens) does it. I think the problem we have can
be summed in this thought:

"What makes you think you're better than me that you don't have to wait
behind me in line?"

Oh, and my tolerance only stretches so far. I have no tolerance for anyone
who cuts in front of character meet lines. I've had to tell more than one rude
family that they needed to wait their turn, and just because I wasn't with
a child it didn't mean I had to allow them ahead of me. I rarely meet
characters as it is, but I stand my ground when I do.

 

[StageTek]

I still don't have a problem with one or two "catching up" with their group. And I will make it to my family even if you think you are "standing your ground."

How? Because with my family you would have to physically move us and I'm not sure how you would do it.

Hypothetically - while you two families are physically fighting are you still having fun? Is this kind of territorial fighting the way you prove something to others, or is this the way you enjoy a visit to the parks?

 

[xraydave]

That's why I stopped. I'm at Disney to enjoy my vacation with my family. Consider me "unsubscribed" from this post.

 

[Mickeys_n_me]

How? Because with my family you would have to physically move us and I'm not sure how you would do it

Hypothetically - while you two families are physically fighting are you still having fun? Is this kind of territorial fighting the way you prove something to others, or is this the way you enjoy a visit to the parks?

I was going to say the same exact thing. Talk about sweating the small stuff. You must be a joy to travel with. While you are fighting and throwing punches at the mother trying to get by with her child in tow, I will be off not worrying about what everyone else does and enjoying my day. Even if it means I have to wait an extra 2 minutes because of a few people rejoining their party.

 

[Rudy6]

I have not seen the line cutting as a big problem, but when I do see the line cutting, the CMs just stand there and do nothing. It is WDWs responsibility to control the crowd. What it is going to take are people getting seriously hurt, WDW just standing by, then WDW getting sued for enough money so that it starts to impact the bottom line.

 

[babieemelly]

Originally Posted by MS_mom_1965
"Keep in mind, while some of you lucky DW guests return every year, or even several times a year, other of us are not so fortunate. My family and I will be going in Thanksgiving. I know it will be crowded, but it's the only time we can manage to go, and we can not afford to go for another 4-5 years. Therefore, I don't have the luxury of saying "Oh, this line is too long. I'll just skip this attraction and see it next week/month."


I'm sorry that you can't afford to go again for a few years, but that's not anyone else's problem. Everyones paying the same amount of money to be there, and regardless of if you go once a year, once every five years, or twenty-five times a year, it's no reason to cut the line. Just because you have to go at a certain time, and don't go as often as other people, doesn't mean you're entitled to anything. Sorry.

 

[a Really Bad Egg]

I will be off not worrying about what everyone else does and enjoying my day. Even if it means I have to wait an extra 2 minutes because of a few people rejoining their party.

Ha...have you ever been when it's crowded and watched the number of people that pull this stunt? If not, then you won't know the frustration.

Having seen this happen many times during the busy season, I can completely sympathize with those who despise the line cutters. Anyone can make any excuse to cut the line - and they do. There are others who just walk right past. And we aren't talking about one or two. You have to experience to know it. It happens on nearly every ride with a wait.

Do we say something everytime - no. Why, because it doesn't make a difference in most cases. The same people are probably doing it on every ride. You know who you are. Do we let those intolerable BTG t-shirt kids do it. Not a chance...because they are known to sneak 20-30 people in every line. Deal with that more than once and let me know how you feel.

If you haven't been there - don't try and tell me that I should ignore it. If you have been there, are going to be there again, congratulations. Wear a t-shirt that says so and we'll all walk right past. I think then you'd understand that those '2 minutes' multiple times on every ride add up over the course of the visit.

And don't tell us we should visit at a less busy time. Not all of us have that opportunity. And I really don't buy the European excuse. Who says that because one culture is pushy and shoves ahead should make it okay. No way. Don't have to put up with rudeness no matter where you are from.

Dislike me if you will, but your lame excuses for cutting the lines fall on deaf ears. Get to the back of the line!

 

[Mickeys_n_me]

Ha...have you ever been when it's crowded and watched the number of people that pull this stunt? If not, then you won't know the frustration.

Actually I have been in July and on Christmas week. So yeah I have been in WDW at the most busiest times. Again, I enjoy myself and I don't worry about everyone else around me. I guess you can call me laid back and realize I have little control over most things, so go with the flow and not let it ruin my well planned day.

I also follow Tour Guide Mike though and while everyone else is sweating in 40minute lines I usually am not... Best money I have ever spent

 

[ampc3]

I think it's also a cultural thing. We Americans as a whole are highly intolerant
of people cutting the lines, and we get very territorial. That being said, I
know I have allowed myself to get irritated at those who try to push their
way ahead. I've also used my body to prevent those I thought were
abusing the "I'm meeting my family" excuse to prevent them from moving up.
If it's only one person, I'm fairly tolerant. I won't let that bother me.

But if it's a crowd of people who clearly are cutting to meet one or two
people ahead of them, the one or two people in front should be allowing
the rest of us in line ahead of them until their party catches up to them.
I definitely don't allow a crowd of people push themselves in front of me.
There are times I want to shout, "If your family really loved you, they would
wait for you!"

I'm not a parent, but I'm very tolerant if I see a parent with a toddler
attempt to join the other parent and kids. One parent. One or two kids
who clearly needed a "potty emergency"....I'm fine with it. I won't let
that bother me, either.

But my friends who went to Disneyland Paris shared with me how things
are handled in Europe, and it's a pretty big culture shock to those of us
used to waiting in lines. They were telling me that it was common to be
aggressive and push and shove your way into lines. I can see many
of us Americans completely bust a gut over this. But they learned that
they needed to push and shove at times to keep up with the Europeans.

The really only time I get bent out of shape with line cutters is when a large
group of people (especially teens) does it. I think the problem we have can
be summed in this thought:

"What makes you think you're better than me that you don't have to wait
behind me in line?"

Oh, and my tolerance only stretches so far. I have no tolerance for anyone
who cuts in front of character meet lines. I've had to tell more than one rude
family that they needed to wait their turn, and just because I wasn't with
a child it didn't mean I had to allow them ahead of me. I rarely meet
characters as it is, but I stand my ground when I do.

ITA about the whole europe thing. We were in Italy years ago waiting in line for a bathroom (all the americans where waiting in line)and ALL the europeans kept coming up and standing right in front of the stall and just totally cut! after seeing tons of people doing that, one tends to
"copy" what you see.
So there you go one person sees someone else do it and thinks it must be ok~

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

Been to Disney multiple times on and off peek times for several years and never saw the lines as long as they have been this past week.

And what I am complaining about is not when one party leaves the line and comes back...its when one goes and gets fast passes at another attraction then cuts in the line to rejoin the party. That's cutting in my opinion.

If a family member is actually in the line holding a place that isn't cutting. On the other hand, like you said before, if there is no one in line and people are just pretending to have a family member holding there spot than I would see you getting angry about that. Summer time has the worst lines. We were just there in June and the waits for the rides in the MK were ridiculous.

 

[a Really Bad Egg]

...while everyone else is sweating in 40minute lines I usually am not... Best money I have ever spent

In July - to ride most big attractions, you have to wait in line - whether you have tour guide Mike or not. One can only do COP and TTA so many times.

The lines for ToT, RNR, Splash Mountain, etc are constantly invaded by the line cutters because of the wait times. The longer the wait, the more line cutters.

If you haven't sweated in a line in July, then you are not experiencing what others are seeing so the 'I don't mind this happening to me attitude' is not valid. You are not there in the those lines to have experienced it.

Also, in recent years - and this year especially, the rudeness has increased dramatically.

Laid back attitude or not - if I'm waiting in a line, you don't have the right to cut. Period.

Now, to the end of the line you go.

 

[a Really Bad Egg]

If a family member is actually in the line holding a place that isn't cutting.

And so what if it's a couple friends holding the place in line..and then a couple of their friends show up? Is that okay?

And then what if a couple more come, and then a couple more? And then before you know it, the whole tour group is in the front of the line?

Where do you draw the line?

 

[jerry557]

Disney has stated several times that they believe giving special treatment to those willing to pay is unfair. Therefore they claim their "Fast Pass" is better than Universal's system because it is fair to everybody and falls in place with Walt Disney's vision that "everyone is a VIP."

Which is a bit hypocritical today because there is a major difference between staying at Pop Century compared to the Grand Floridian and the guests that are willing to pay $400+ a night do get more services. DVC members who fork over at least $15,000 to Disney also get special perks and much, MUCH better hotel rooms.

The only reason Disney adopted the fast pass system is because the competition was winning and had the clear upper hand in moving lines. Anhusier Busch has "Ride Again" options where their seasonal and annual passholders can wait in line once, ride, and then immediately get back on. Universal has the "Express Pass" which is either bought for an extra price with the ticket or comes free if you stay at one of their 3 hotels. Even Six Flags got in on it by offering special tours for an extra fee. So Disney was forced to adopt the Fast Pass in order to keep up with that competition. They did not want it and I still think Disney does not like it.

And on busy days...the system's many weaknesses show very clearly. If a ride shuts down for any reason...your fast pass is basically useless because they are forced to accept tickets no matter what the time is.. And rides break down at Disney all the time. So this is a common issue.
Also anyone else notice the gigantic crowds at the fast pass return enterance? Everyone is standing around waiting for it to be the exact minute and then the mad stampede to get through.
And it just gets stupid in the lines to the machines when everyone in line has a half-dozen tickets.

It's just obvious the other parks have a better system...are those systems perfect? No, they have weaknesses too... but the lines are managed better at those parks. Im not saying those systems will work for Disney because each park has a system that fits their situations. But Disney needs to put some serious R&D in their line management systems.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

And so what if it's a couple friends holding the place in line..and then a couple of their friends show up? Is that okay?

And then what if a couple more come, and then a couple more? And then before you know it, the whole tour group is in the front of the line?

Where do you draw the line?

I believe I said Family Member... Even still, you could easily do the same thing. I honestly can't picture a whole tour group cutting in line,they are wild but I don't think that a group that large can cut.

 

[Disney Von Drake]

Everyone has an excuse and none acceptable. If you need to go do something, step out of line and rejoin in the back. If you want to join your group, move back in line - not forward. This is common sense and the most practical and courteous. Anything else is line cutting. If we want this enforced we have to enforce it ourselves by not allowing the cutting.

I don't think Disney will do anything until (unfortunately) more altercations take place. Seems to me they are just looking for cash these days rather than providing a magical experience.

I’ll join your crew!

I really don't mind if a little kid has to leave and come back, even though I personally would leave and not come back, or come back and get at the end of the line.
But I have been to WDW with a newly potty trained 3 yr old twice, 4 yr old, 5 yr old, every young age and not once have either of my children ever had to go so badly that we had to leave a line.

Anyone have to go to the bathroom??
No, mommy.
You sure? You know what, let's just go now anyway.

Problem solved. Make your kids go when you pass a bathroom, before getting on the rides, even if they say they don't have to.

Excellent! We raised three children the same way. It’s not hard to do and it teaches the children to be responsible for their actions.

I was going to say the same exact thing. Talk about sweating the small stuff. You must be a joy to travel with. While you are fighting and throwing punches at the mother trying to get by with her child in tow, I will be off not worrying about what everyone else does and enjoying my day. Even if it means I have to wait an extra 2 minutes because of a few people rejoining their party.

I shouldn’t have to remind anyone that the line starts at the end, but sometimes we have that burden thrust upon us. Resorting to violence to prevent or correct ill mannered behavior is not appropriate but ignoring such misbehavior just invites and encourages more misconduct.

Some people will challenge line cutters because Disney CM’s don’t.

If a family member is actually in the line holding a place that isn't cutting.

No exceptions for family members. Keep to the code.