Leverage: anyone considering SSR purchase:

[tjkraz]

hmm interesting way to look at it I suppose, but I still think the guarentee system is far more flexible than the current. the only flexibility we have now that is guarenteed is room and resort. under the other we would have room, resort, S/NS, HA/NHA.

I guess that depends on your definition of flexible.

I think that a system that allows me to let a customer with fewer items go ahead of me (even though I got in line first) is flexible. A system that allows me to give up my seat for a preganant mother-to-be (even though I was first on the bus) is flexible. A system that allows me to make someone else's vacation happen (even though I booked first) is flexible.

Like I said...philosophical disagreement.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I assure Deb & Bill speak for themselves only. They do not represent these forums or certainly not Disney.

However I can assure you Disney has read this thread, as it does many on Internet forums. And they do care.

But basically it comes down to you can please all the of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but not all the people all of the time.

Yep, I speak for myself (not even my husband) and I still don't care.

But, wait a minute. Nobody has added in the renter factor. What about the member who secured a reservation for a non-member 11 months out. Do renters get priority over members?

 

[Deb & Bill]

...Deb and BIll: I'm not calling you out. Nor am I lumping you into the 'few people' above. Instead, I'm using your last post as a good example insofar as you said: "we don't have these needs or concerns and we don't care about those who do" (I didn't read this as you being uncompassionate about people with special need, just that you felt that the ressie system met your needs and so had no reason to care about the outcome of others asking DIsney to rethink the system). ...Had you added something derogatory about people having an opinion different than yours, had you implied that they were exaggerating their needs or attacked their intelligence or honesty or integrity in some way...then that would have been disrespectful and inappropriate.
I'd like to say to Deb and BIll, thank you for your opinions on the subject. I respect that you are fine with the current ressie system and that there are probably 1000's more people who feel the same way as you.
...

Well, how about that. You got what I said. Thanks. I have no need to tell others what to do or that they are wrong. Just stating my opinion for me and my family. I'll continue to suggest that people who want changes write to the people who can make the changes. Don't bother telling us. We can't help you.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

I guess that depends on your definition of flexible.

I think that a system that allows me to let a customer with fewer items go ahead of me (even though I got in line first) is flexible. A system that allows me to give up my seat for a preganant mother-to-be (even though I was first on the bus) is flexible. A system that allows me to make someone else's vacation happen (even though I booked first) is flexible.

Like I said...philosophical disagreement.

yep, I guess so. I see those as completely different systems. You didnt get in line 10 or 11 months ago and the store doesnt have 200 or 300 other registers to get in line for or 4 other grocery stores all together in the same plaza

I get the point in that for people who cant make their reservations until later they might suffer, but whose to say under this system they are even getting the resort they choose when booking that late

i see all the points everyone is making but from what I can tell all these problems exist under the current system anyway

 

[TCPluto]

i see all the points everyone is making but from what I can tell all these problems exist under the current system anyway

I think the only constant that we can be sure of is that whatever the system is, there will be some that are unhappy with it.

 

[Deb & Bill]

One question: Is it just me or does it seem like the ones complaining the most have the least experience with DVC? Some of them not even members yet? We've been members since 97 and have done about 15 DVC trips. Never a problem. Are we discussing an almost non-existent problem?

 

[tjkraz]

Are we discussing an almost non-existent problem?

Probably. I'm glad someone finally said it.

 

[Lady V]

And for those that get so vocal and rude when talking about the H/A rooms, be glad you don't need one. I would love to get one and not need it. Think about that when you WALK into your room next time.


you know what-you are so right. That actually brought tears to my eyes.

 

[TCPluto]

One question: Is it just me or does it seem like the ones complaining the most have the least experience with DVC? Some of them not even members yet? We've been members since 97 and have done about 15 DVC trips. Never a problem. Are we discussing an almost non-existent problem?

Good call Deb. I think you're right.


Veronica, I sent you a PM.

 

[MiaSRN62]

I don't get the guilt trips that are being dumped here I don't feel anyone showed a lack of sympathy or respect for those with disabilities ????? It is a shame it's being taken that way & I say this sincerely in case this is taken the wrong way. It's just a vacation preference we're supposed to be talking about---lots of people have them (on this board, the Disney resort board, the Orlando area hotel board....) and it shouldn't be a crime to discuss them in a rational & respectful manner ? Some people are just discussing what works and doesn't work for them and their families. They're being made out to be heartless or something which is furthest from the truth from what I see.
I've been a Member for 5 years, but stayed in DVC resorts before that even. For the record, I've never been given a smoking or HA room. Shouldn't matter whether one is a veteran or new Member. I got involved in the thread because I know it could happen and it could impact the type of vacation one has. Also got involved because of the way some are being made to feel for expressing their viewpoints.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

And for those that get so vocal and rude when talking about the H/A rooms, be glad you don't need one. I would love to get one and not need it. Think about that when you WALK into your room next time.


you know what-you are so right. That actually brought tears to my eyes.

ughh, I think this is the last time I reply to these misinformed , dont bother to read the posts, look for something to argue about replies.

It has nothing to do with with the people themselves who need HA rooms just the same as it has nothing to do with the people themselves who need a smoking room, these rooms are each designed for a specific purpose. We are talking about the rooms, rooms, rooms, rooms, not the people.

do i need to outfit my entire house with handicap accesibility just to show respect for handicapped people? when i look for my next home should i tell the agent to bring me to a HA house so i can show my respect for handicapped people by buying that one instead of one that better suites my needs.

jeesh

so

 

[lenshanem]

But, wait a minute. Nobody has added in the renter factor. What about the member who secured a reservation for a non-member 11 months out. Do renters get priority over members?

Do they know who are owners and who are renters? Is there a flag that would pop up for a room assigner? Good question, but I think renters would get the same booking cause the owner is making the ressie for them. (Unless the owner said - hey, this is a renter.) Cash customers on the other hand... I do think members should get priority, but like others have said I doubt that would happen.

 

[sjdisneywedding]

One question: Is it just me or does it seem like the ones complaining the most have the least experience with DVC? Some of them not even members yet? We've been members since 97 and have done about 15 DVC trips. Never a problem. Are we discussing an almost non-existent problem?

who cares! I dont care if anyone is a member for 10 days or 10 years. everyone is entitled to post their ideas, problems, success stories, whatever.

If you are so against this thread and the problems/solutions being brought up, why dont you just stop reading and posting on the subject.

Im glad you have never had a problem, does that mean it cant happen or wont in the future? does it mean it hasnt already happened to others in the past?

oh yeah I forgot you dont care, right?

 

[lenshanem]

I have been a member for two years and have had six DVC trips during that time. Out of SIX trips I have already experienced a HA studio with no tub and been assigned to a smoking room, both despite my requests (nonsmoking due to medical reasons). So I think those figures are kinda high. The smoking room they were able to change. (We arrived late afternoon, the HA they were not.) I don't ask for any other requests such as view or location.

As for the "guilt trips" - I'm ignoring those unfounded comments from now on. It is obvious some don't want to move on and want to continue to argue instead. They can waste their own time, I've got more important things to do then defending myself on such ridiculous insults over and over again. I'll reply to those posts that are on the OP's topic.

 

[tjkraz]

who cares! I dont care if anyone is a member for 10 days or 10 years. everyone is entitled to post their ideas, problems, success stories, whatever.

If you are so against this thread and the problems/solutions being brought up, why dont you just stop reading and posting on the subject.

Im glad you have never had a problem, does that mean it cant happen or wont in the future? does it mean it hasnt already happened to others in the past?

oh yeah I forgot you dont care, right?

With all due respect, I think it's a very valid comment.

We've already demonstrated that any system would have its flaws. In a discussion that is sorely lacking in "FACTS", the real-life experiences of long-time members should given very serious consideration.

No, the topic shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. But speculation that it's a non-issue is just part of the ongoing discussion.

 

[tjkraz]

I have been a member for two years and have had six DVC trips during that time. Out of SIX trips I have already experienced a HA studio with no tub and been assigned to a smoking room, both despite my requests (nonsmoking due to medical reasons). So I think those figures are kinda high. The smoking room they were able to change. (We arrived late afternoon, the HA they were not.) I don't ask for any other requests such as view or location.

Regarding the HA room, did you specifically request non-HA? Just curious.

Regarding the smoking room, it sounds to me like the resort just made a mistake. They rectified the problem, correct?

In fact, that raises a question regarding the guaranteed assignment proposal. What happens if someone booked into a Smoking room is inadvertently assigned to a Non-Smoking room--YOUR Non-Smoking room. We've seen guests sent to rooms occupied by other guests...rooms that haven't been cleaned...rooms with no running water. I can't see them getting the S/NS, HA/NHA assignments correct 100% of the time. Then what happens at a resort with 100% capacity?

I still think a system with flexibility--the current system--is the way to go.

 

[Divamomto3]

For inventory purposes, they have to track those rooms separately. So, yes, the room with two queens is a guaranteed booking.

Most of the rooms with the queen / sofabed configuration are lockoff 2Bs. Those rooms could also be reserved separately as a 1B and Studio. In order to insure track exactly how many Studios, 1Bs and 2Bs they have available at any given time, they need to specifically assign guests to either a lockoff or dedicated 2B


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Thanks TJ...now I get it!

 

[TCPluto]

ughh, I think this is the last time I reply to these misinformed , dont bother to read the posts, look for something to argue about replies.

It has nothing to do with with the people themselves who need HA rooms just the same as it has nothing to do with the people themselves who need a smoking room, these rooms are each designed for a specific purpose. We are talking about the rooms, rooms, rooms, rooms, not the people.

do i need to outfit my entire house with handicap accesibility just to show respect for handicapped people? when i look for my next home should i tell the agent to bring me to a HA house so i can show my respect for handicapped people by buying that one instead of one that better suites my needs.

jeesh

so

You're absolutely right. No ones feelings are valid unless you say so. I get it now.

 

[TCPluto]

I don't get the guilt trips that are being dumped here I don't feel anyone showed a lack of sympathy or respect for those with disabilities ?????

I'm sorry you don't see it from the point of a person with a handicap. I tried my best to describe how the words and actions can hurt.

This is something that is real, and just because many can't understand it, doesn't make it any less real.

 

[TCPluto]

do i need to outfit my entire house with handicap accesibility just to show respect for handicapped people? when i look for my next home should i tell the agent to bring me to a HA house so i can show my respect for handicapped people by buying that one instead of one that better suites my needs.

jeesh

so

Let's start with being a kind, considerate, sympathetic adult, then we'll build on that.