Lesson Learned: Don't try to be early on EMH morning

[maxiesmom]

Bull. Nothing said in the original post was so "shocking" that it deserved that kind of "reaction". There were quite a few comments that were made for the sole purpose of trying to make the OP look dumb "for breaking the #1 rule of non resort guest not going to a park with EMH", which "everyone" knows.

I didn't read any of the replies like that. Just goes to show that not all of us interpret the tone of posts in the same way.

 

[mshanson3121]

That's not a thing. Let's not allow that to be a thing.

People were reacting to the OP. Reacting with shock. That's not "shaming" and it's especially not "word-shaming" (omg please make that nonsense stop). It's *reacting*. So some people didn't do it gracefully. Been there done that, that's for sure! Sometimes you're just too stunned.

Ah, so reacting rudely is okay, gotcha

Literally what you said was:



No age of DD, no stroller mentioned, no four other members. Just you and DD.

Didn't realize I had to list out every single detail in every single post. It really doesn't matter - her post wasn't that helpful.





Then it sounds like your day was perfect and awesome? So why would we want to *avoid* what you did? If it worked out beautifully?

Um, no, it was awesome AFTER the fact. You would want to avoid what we did, so you don't have to waste that time like we did. Our day would have been equally perfect, minus the meltdown, had we just gone later.


Nope. It's to always quote the original post(er).



Has anyone said transportation was shut down? What I've read repeatedly in the thread is that they check and don't let you go through if you aren't eligible.



I haven't read that they don't, as a rule, have things shut down. They just check to see who can go through.

 

[maxiesmom]

Yeah, thanks that's so helpful. And SOOOOO easy to just magically pull off when you have two children and strollers full of stuff and four other members of the party that maybe don't want to go walking around for 45 minutes.

This kind of response is why all of the details are helpful to have in your first post. Treating people like they are idiots when they offer advice based on only the details you have given them is not exactly polite or nice either. And has now turned this whole discussion into "who has been more rude"

 

[mshanson3121]

OP, it seems when you wrote your original post your perceived wronging was fresh and you were frustrated because you were caught off-guard. Here's the thing, though. By getting to the TTC ahead of most other non-resort guests, you were still at the front of the non-resort line, you were just waiting in a different place. If you knew you wouldn't be able to get in the park until 9:00, what difference does it make where you were waiting? WDW was keeping the entrance to the park clear for the people that have paid for the privilege to be there for EMH to be able to fully take advantage of that opportunity. You were among the first of the "regular" guests to get in and by your own admission, by being there early, you had a great day and experience. I truly don't understand what you are so angry about. Did you think if you were able to take the People Mover to the entrance and forced to wait there for 45 minutes it would have been less hot? Did you think that your daughter would somehow be less miserable waiting for a long time in one place rather than another place? Your indignation just doesn't make sense.

The difference is, we always timed our departures so that we were always in motion. We timed leaving our house, so that when we arrived we were able to to get on the tram to the TTC, get on the monorail, our way through bag check, and then only had about 5 minutes of standing till the gates opened. Which DD handles fine. What she does NOT handle well, is standing still in that same spot for 45 minutes. I did not know that we would not be allowed to move past the TTC. I thought it was going to be the same thing as the other day, and we'd only have to wait at the gate a few minutes till the park opened. So yeah, BIG difference. But thank you so much for telling me that it's all the same, and that I'm not justified in how I felt, and in trying to pass a tip on to other people. Have a great day.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I didn't read any of the replies like that. Just goes to show that not all of us interpret the tone of posts in the same way.

Agreed, and my post certainly wasn't meant that way. I was simply pointing out something that those who would have been surprised by the OP's information should also know. Those of us who already knew about the delays crossing over would not have benefited from my post, but it was not meant for them.

If people take offense where no offense is intended, that is on them.

 

[mshanson3121]

This kind of response is why all of the details are helpful to have in your first post. Treating people like they are idiots when they offer advice based on only the details you have given them is not exactly polite or nice either. And has now turned this whole discussion into "who has been more rude"

Um, her advice was not helpful in any way. She more of less made it out as though OBVIOUSLY there were so many ways I could have occupied DD, and it was my own fault that she had a meltdown. Advice like that after the fact, or given in that way, is not helpful, at all. I'm sorry. It came across as rude. Now, maybe she didn't mean it to be, but she could have worded it a bit differently.

 

[JimmyV]

Which was basically the point of my post - when you're a non-resort guest, it doesn't matter if you drive or not, you have to go to the TTC first, and they will not let you use the monorail or ferry boats until 8:45. So it doesn't matter how you get there, you do not get to go any further than the TTC until that time.

Let's say that you are an offsite guest who has an early ADR at Chef Mickey's. You finish your meal and head over to the monorail boarding area. Where is the gatekeeper who is checking to see if you are an on-site or offsite guest? I've never seen one. Back in the day, resort guests were issued cards that they had to show in order to board the resort loop monorail, (see below), but once they got rid of those, I have never seen anyone denied entry to a monorail boarding area. Maybe this is done on EMH days, but I can't say that I have ever seen it.

Second--assume that you are an offsite guest who has an early ADR at Chef Mickey's. You finish your meal and head down the elevator and begin to walk over to the MK. Where is the gatekeeper who is checking to see if you are an on-site or offsite guest? Is there a guard who prevents offsite guests from making the walk over? I'm not saying that once the guest gets to the MK they will be let in, but I am not aware of any checkpoint where they could be stopped from making the walk over. Can anybody clear this up an confirm that offsite guests have to be funneled through the TTC? If not, then one should be able to go from the TTC to the Contemporary to have breakfast, and then from the Contemporary to the MK either on the resort monorail loop, or by simply walking.

 

[mshanson3121]

At any rate, admins, why don't you just shut this thread down? Seriously, my attempt was to help some people, which I did, so that's great. But no good deed goes unpunished, right?

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Um, her advice was not helpful in any way. She more of less made it out as though OBVIOUSLY there were so many ways I could have occupied DD, and it was my own fault that she had a meltdown. Advice like that after the fact, or given in that way, is not helpful, at all. I'm sorry. It came across as rude. Now, maybe she didn't mean it to be, but she could have worded it a bit differently.

I have found that it is very difficult to infer intent on the internet (or in emails or other written communications). Some people are better at it than others. As a result, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I try to read the best possible intent into a post and reply accordingly. Sometimes people are obviously just being rude, but sometimes they are just offering well intentioned, albeit unsolicited, advice.

 

[maxiesmom]

I have found that it is very difficult to infer intent on the internet (or in emails or other written communications). Some people are better at it than others. As a result, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I try to read the best possible intent into a post and reply accordingly. Sometimes people are obviously just being rude, but sometimes they are just offering well intentioned, albeit unsolicited, advice.

Agreed. There is another poster who before has stated that if they read a post and start to get upset or angry, they go back and re-read it and try to put the opposite tone on it. I think that is great advice for all of us.

 

[JimmyV]

At any rate, admins, why don't you just shut this thread down?

I would recommend that it not be shut down, at least until we get an answer as to how Disney deals with offsite guests who have ADRs at monorail resorts. That issue has been raised a number of times in the thread, but I don't see that it has been answered. Given the number of people who go to 'Ohana and Chef Mickey's for breakfast, I think it would be pretty important information for those folks to have.

• How do they get to their ADRs if they can't get past the TTC?
• If they can get to their ADRs, where do they go when they finish breakfast, assuming that they finish before the park opens.

 

[mshanson3121]

I would recommend that it not be shut down, at least until we get an answer as to how Disney deals with offsite guests who have ADRs at monorail resorts. That issue has been raised a number of times in the thread, but I don't see that it has been answered. Given the number of people who go to 'Ohana and Chef Mickey's for breakfast, I think it would be pretty important information for those folks to have.

• How do they get to their ADRs if they can't get past the TTC?
• If they can get to their ADRs, where do they go when they finish breakfast, assuming that they finish before the park opens.

Part of this was already answered earlier, in fact, I think I answered it - if you have an ADR, you are allowed entrance to the park.
They ask at the TTC if you are a) staying on site b) have an ADR

As for where they go when they finish breakfast, I believe from seeing this on another thread, that they have to stay at the restaurant, though I could be wrong. But that's easily asked on it's own thread.

 

[JimmyV]

Part of this was already answered earlier, in fact, I think I answered it - if you have an ADR, you are allowed entrance to the park.
They ask at the TTC if you are a) staying on site b) have an ADR

As for where they go when they finish breakfast, I believe from seeing this on another thread, that they have to stay at the restaurant, though I could be wrong.

I thought this was in response to a question about an in park ADR, such as Crystal Palace.
As for the second part about being held at the restaurant, I have never heard of any such restraining procedure. They certainly can't keep people from leaving. In fact, in order to make room for more guests, the guests who finish have to leave. And once they leave, can't they simply walk over to the MK?

 

[mshanson3121]

I thought this was in response to a question about an in park ADR, such as Crystal Palace.

Oh sorry. They still run the resort monorails to other places. They just don't run the express monorail from TTC to Disney. And if you tried to just walk to the Poly and take the resort monorail into Disney, you would not be allowed entrance to the park, as your ticket/Magic Band will show that you are not a Disney resort guest. And I'm assuming you wouldn't even be allowed on the monorail as they'll ask you if you're a resort guest.

 

[JimmyV]

And if you tried to just walk to the Poly and take the resort monorail into Disney, you would not be allowed entrance to the park, as your ticket/Magic Band will show that you are not a Disney resort guest.

I think that this is really getting to the heart of the matter. Unless I was misreading certain posts, it seemed as if the point being made was that offsite guests cannot get past the TTC on EMH mornings and can never make their way to the area outside the MK. But from what I have experienced, they can get to the outside area of the MK. They just can't get through the turnstiles. (Nor should they). Anyone who makes their way to a monorail resort can then take the resort monorail to the MK station, and anyone at the Contemporary can walk to the MK. They simply cannot get any further than that, unless they have an in park ADR. The TTC is not a detention center for offsite guests. Well, I suppose it is for most of them. But there are ways to get from the TTC to the outside area of the MK as long as one passes through a resort first. I think this is where some of the confusion was coming from.

 

[bbjunkie]

The difference is, we always timed our departures so that we were always in motion. We timed leaving our house, so that when we arrived we were able to to get on the tram to the TTC, get on the monorail, our way through bag check, and then only had about 5 minutes of standing till the gates opened. Which DD handles fine. What she does NOT handle well, is standing still in that same spot for 45 minutes. I did not know that we would not be allowed to move past the TTC. I thought it was going to be the same thing as the other day, and we'd only have to wait at the gate a few minutes till the park opened. So yeah, BIG difference. But thank you so much for telling me that it's all the same, and that I'm not justified in how I felt, and in trying to pass a tip on to other people. Have a great day.

You know what? I was not nasty to you in any way. I was honestly trying to understand what your issue was. You were going to have to wait somewhere for more than 5 minutes if you showed up as early as you claim at the TTC. You say your daughter can't wait for 45 minutes in the same place without moving. You also say the monorail started letting people on at 8:45. So you were at the TTC by 8:00 am, knowing you couldn't get into the park until 9:00. So let's say you were able to get right on the monorail by 8:00 when you arrived and walked up to the bag check by 8:10; through bag check by 8:15. Now you are still waiting from 8:15 until 9:00 in the hot sun until the park opens to you. I still don't understand your issue; you were going to have the delay and wait at some point in your journey. I never said you weren't justified in feeling any way. I really can't understand why you have been so completely nasty to others here.

 

[mshanson3121]

You know what? I was not nasty to you in any way. I was honestly trying to understand what your issue was. You were going to have to wait somewhere for more than 5 minutes if you showed up as early as you claim at the TTC. It is clear to me now, though, after reading your nastiness to others and myself, that you are just a sarcastic nasty person. That's fine; the world needs all kinds of people. I will have a good day, thank you.

Are you for real? Yes, you're right. I'm the only rude and sarcastic one. Because there was NOTHING sarcastic or rude in your post at all. I mean, telling me you don't understand what my problem was, wasn't rude at all, or not even possibly construed as rude, of course. And I mean, telling me how I felt didn't make sense certainly wasn't rude, or couldn't be perceived as rude, especially after several of the comments on here. And the comment about "Did you think it'd be less hot" definitely was meant in the nicest way, not sarcastic at all. Yes, my SINCERE apologies, your post was positively oozing with niceness and pleasantries. Yes, I'm definitely the bad guy here.

 

[bbjunkie]

Are you for real? Yes, you're right. I'm the only rude and sarcastic one. Because there was NOTHING sarcastic or rude in your post at all. I mean, telling me you don't understand what my problem was, wasn't rude at all, or not even possibly construed as rude, of course. And I mean, telling me how I felt didn't make sense certainly wasn't rude, or couldn't be perceived as rude, especially after several of the comments on here. And the comment about "Did you think it'd be less hot" definitely was meant in the nicest way, not sarcastic at all. Yes, my SINCERE apologies, your post was positively oozing with niceness and pleasantries. Yes, I'm definitely the bad guy here.

No, I was truly trying to understand your issue because it didn't make sense; but your continued nastiness just confirms your predisposition at this point. I was not being sarcastic; I was not trying to be hurtful. I was trying to sympathize because it really didn't make sense to me. So, yes, I am "for real." And I continue to not understand why you are taking even sincere comments to be otherwise, nor do I understand your complete nasty defensiveness. Hopefully it makes you feel better to be nasty toward me and others because it doesn't bother me, it is just strange. But maybe it makes you feel better to react that way, and that's ok, too.

 

[mshanson3121]

At any rate, whatever. I considered it a lesson learned, I was trying to help others by passing on information, I didn't realize that was a crime, or had to be attacked or picked apart, or I had to have all it thrown in my face that I should have known better, or what my problem was, since everyone else knows the solution to everything. Someone said you should assume the best of intentions in people's posts, but has it ever crossed anyone's mind to think before you type??? Did you stop to consider, that sometimes, a post like mine was just trying to help, and y'all could have shut up and let me pass on that info to those who didn't know and leave it at that? That maybe, even if you thought I should have known better, you could have kept it to yourselves? Because news flash - saying anything of the sort is just RUDE. Plain and simple. There's no sugar coating it or trying to pretend you're trying to be nice. Saying you don't understand what the big deal is, or that I should have known better, or that obviously I could have avoided all of this if I'd done that, is RUDE. That's all there is to it. If a post doesn't help you in some way then MOVE ON. (And in this, I'm excluding the people that were truly nice, polite, or did actually appreciate the advice I was trying to pass on). If you want to give advice, stop and think before you type, and word it nicely, "Maybe next time if anyone found themselves in this situation, you could try this instead" would be a FAR more polite and respectful way of giving advice than just saying, "You could have kept her entertained for 45 minutes".

At any rate, my trip is done, so, you know what, time to be done with disboards. Sure, maybe I could stay and try and help some other newbie, but quite honestly, it's not worth it. It sure didn't get me far on this post. And maybe next time, some of the know it all veterans can try to remember that no, not everyone reads everything on here, knows everything, always has the option of doing everything by these boards rules. That sometimes people have to make choices or plans that go against the cardinal DIS rules. And when that happens - keep your "you should have known better or what's the big deal" comments to yourself. They're not helpful, and are in fact rude and insulting. And if you really feel the need to say something, then take a second and think about how you're wording your "advice".

 

[maxiesmom]

At any rate, whatever. I considered it a lesson learned, I was trying to help others by passing on information, I didn't realize that was a crime, or had to be attacked or picked apart, or I had to have all it thrown in my face that I should have known better, or what my problem was, since everyone else knows the solution to everything. Someone said you should assume the best of intentions in people's posts, but has it ever crossed anyone's mind to think before you type??? Did you stop to consider, that sometimes, a post like mine was just trying to help, and y'all could have shut up and let me pass on that info to those who didn't know and leave it at that? That maybe, even if you thought I should have known better, you could have kept it to yourselves? Because news flash - saying anything of the sort is just RUDE. Plain and simple. There's no sugar coating it or trying to pretend you're trying to be nice. Saying you don't understand what the big deal is, or that I should have known better, or that obviously I could have avoided all of this if I'd done that, is RUDE. That's all there is to it. If a post doesn't help you in some way then MOVE ON. (And in this, I'm excluding the people that were truly nice, polite, or did actually appreciate the advice I was trying to pass on). If you want to give advice, stop and think before you type, and word it nicely, "Maybe next time if anyone found themselves in this situation, you could try this instead" would be a FAR more polite and respectful way of giving advice than just saying, "You could have kept her entertained for 45 minutes".

At any rate, my trip is done, so, you know what, time to be done with disboards. Sure, maybe I could stay and try and help some other newbie, but quite honestly, it's not worth it. It sure didn't get me far on this post. And maybe next time, some of the know it all veterans can try to remember that no, not everyone reads everything on here, knows everything, always has the option of doing everything by these boards rules. That sometimes people have to make choices or plans that go against the cardinal DIS rules. And when that happens - keep your "you should have known better or what's the big deal" comments to yourself. They're not helpful, and are in fact rude and insulting. And if you really feel the need to say something, then take a second and think about how you're wording your "advice".

Meeting rude with rude is never a good idea. And I think you will regret this post at some point.