lesbians need not apply

[Goofyluver]

nobody, regardless of their orientation/preference should be discussing sex in the work place. the concept targets everybody.


because that is what makes a person homosexual. it is that which parades are about and political initiatives in the constitution are about. i'd like to see the focus move away from the sexual orientation and on the other aspects of people as people.

Be scared of them parades.



What makes you heterosexual? Is it "sex acts" alone? Is that how we get to define our sexuality in this country?

 

[Cindy F]

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The difference between my arguements and yours is I don't look down my nose at people I disagree with and am able to respect the fact that others don't agree with my personal belief structure. It's called acceptance.

and the difference between your opinion on gay discrimination and my opinion on gay discrimination is- I live it, you don't. It's called inequality.

 

[mkingdomlvr]

Maybe if I try Goofy's tactic and repeat it, it will work.

Seriously, are you just incapable of not generalizing?
I'm sorry you truly can not understand my posts, I can't help you.

Great way to convert people to your point of view...oh, that's right I forgot-you're not interested in that because nobody else could possibly understand.

 

[wonderlanne]

Seriously, are you just incapable of not generalizing?
I'm sorry you truly can not understand my posts, I can't help you.

nobody can understand your posts. i responded to a post which implied that, becase master mason isn't gay, he can't feel compassion towards gays.

come on.

 

[Goofyluver]

nobody can understand your posts. i responded to a post which implied that, becase master mason isn't gay, he can't feel compassion towards gays.

come on.

Hey...I get it.

 

[Tigger&Belle]

In a way I agree with you, but then again, empathy can never replace reality.

I've always, from the time I found out one of my high school teachers was lesbian, had empathy for any discrimination gay and lesbian people encountered. When I, at the age of 46, started to admit that I am lesbian, a different reality set in. It's a difficult concept for me to explain or even for me to totally wrap my brain around.

 

[Master Mason]

Hey Master, I find it laughable you assume anything about me too.

Don't take this stuff so personal, man, it's a message board.

I certainly don't mean you any harm and I apologize if I've hurt your ego, but this ain't about you, it's about an equal rights movement.

I didn't assume anything, the one assumption that was made was then questioned for accuracy.

I don't know anything about you other than what your posts reveal. And my ego is just fine thanks. I am perfectly comfortable with my beliefs, it would take much more than a message board posting to bruise it.

 

[Uncle Remus]

hey...i didn't say that. i said discussing sexual practices is not appropriate for the work place. i live in the san francisco bay area...it is virtually impossible to avoid the "sex" part of homoxesuality here...as much as i'd prefer to not hear about it or see it constantly...it's impossible. do i prefer to know my homosexual friends as people? you bet.

Who discusses sex acts at work?

DADT is a li'l more than that.

I see heterosexuals who disgust me too, hey look, we have something in common, isn't that interestin'?

 

[Cindy F]

nobody can understand your posts. i responded to a post which implied that, becase master mason isn't gay, he can't feel compassion towards gays.

come on.

I responded to a specific statement with a specific reply, I have already clarified it and no matter how much you quote, post, argue, disagree- the post remains the same and my response remains the same.

Master Mason does not understand the "whining for additional laws" because he is not gay. I can not be any more clear than that. If you want to generalize and run with it, feel free to do so but my response is going to remain the same. My suggestion would be to move along to a post you do understand.

 

[wonderlanne]

Again, your equating feeling empathy with that person's reality, and that can never be true. I will never know what it feels like to be black, or gay, and have intolerance throw walls up around me. I can feel for those that do, but it is not even remotely close to the reality of it, and to fool yourself into thinking it does only trivializes the issue.

how is it that you presume that i have never felt discrimination? nobody is trivializing any issue here...at least i'm not.

feeling empathy and compassion towards a person's situation does not make it unreal...it is as close to real as a person can get without the actual experience. thank goodness for people who are capable of feeling empathy and compassion.

 

[Master Mason]

and the difference between your opinion on gay discrimination and my opinion on gay discrimination is- I live it, you don't. It's called inequality.

so that somehow invalidates my opinion? I don't think so.

 

[wonderlanne]

You are free to like whomever you wish. I can not like someone that trivializes an issue that I live with everyday.

If I thought for one second it would do any good whatsoever, I would post a "day in the life" to try and get people to understand what it is like, what it is REALLY like. But......it wouldn't do any good, it never has. You can not understand what you have not lived.

maybe it WOULD do some good!

 

[Uncle Remus]

I didn't assume anything, the one assumption that was made was then questioned for accuracy.

I don't know anything about you other than what your posts reveal. And my ego is just fine thanks. I am perfectly comfortable with my beliefs, it would take much more than a message board posting to bruise it.

Like I said, this isn't about you or me, it's about equal rights for all people.

And we gotta love the internetS, it's just another way how we connect 'n convey messages.

 

[Cindy F]

so that somehow invalidates my opinion? I don't think so.

What is it with people "reading into" others' posts? Are you so hot to argue a certain point that you just make one up and attribute it to someone? Where exactly did you get "invalidates"? I can't help what you assume M & M.

 

[soupy11]

how is it that you presume that i have never felt discrimination? nobody is trivializing any issue here...at least i'm not.

feeling empathy and compassion towards a person's situation does not make it unreal...it is as close to real as a person can get without the actual experience. thank goodness for people who are capable of feeling empathy and compassion.

Where did I make any presumptions about you? I was just stating that you can't substitute empathy for the reality. I think you read to much in my post and took it as an attack, and that is far from what I meant.....

 

[Goofyluver]

so that somehow invalidates my opinion? I don't think so.

OMG.

Get off it. This isn't some personal attack, Master.

Civil rights. Keep up.

 

[wonderlanne]

If you told someone you were heterosexual, could you be disbarred?

i don't know if you CAN be, but i would prefer that you COULDN'T be.

look...i'm not saying don't be homosexual and don't expect equal treatment under the law. that shouldn't be in question.

i'm saying that if the first thing somebody knows about a person is that they're homosexual, before anybody has ever even met that person, because they've hung a 4' x 5' rainbow flag in their office window, that person is focusing on the wrong thing at work...homosexuality.

focus on work at work.

 

[Goofyluver]

i don't know if you CAN be, but i would prefer that you COULDN'T be.

look...i'm not saying don't be homosexual and don't expect equal treatment under the law. that shouldn't be in question.

i'm saying that if the first thing somebody knows about a person is that they're homosexual, before anybody has ever even met that person, because they've hung a 4' x 5' rainbow flag in their office window, that person is focusing on the wrong thing at work...homosexuality.

focus on work at work.

Then I highly suggest that you read into DADT.

It's more than just "sex acts".

 

[redrosesix]

Again, your equating feeling empathy with that person's reality, and that can never be true. I will never know what it feels like to be black, or gay, and have intolerance throw walls up around me. I can feel for those that do, but it is not even remotely close to the reality of it, and to fool yourself into thinking it does only trivializes the issue.

I get what you're saying, but at the same time I understand that within each group of people that are discriminated against, there are a variety of experiences. Given the current topic, for example, I'm not sure that my friends that are gay can truly know what it is like to exist as a homosexual in a society where same sex marriage is not recognized, where they can be legally discriminated against in career advancement, etc. For that matter, there is a huge difference in experience between those of my friends whose families were supportive of their choices versus those whose families rejected them.

I'm also not sure it is just a question of empathy. I think many people can identify with the discrimination faced by others even though they are not in that particular minority. Sadly, those who are most prejudiced tend not to discriminate in who they offend or how they do it.

 

[wonderlanne]

Work doesn't end at 5PM for the military.

Wait, that should be 1700hrs.

okay, great point. so what happens after hours? is there a place where everybody can get together and socialize? (i would guess so.)

now what? i don't care myself...but what about the people who are uncomfortable or, worse, bullies?

one person noted that fraternizing with people in your unit isn't okay. what is a reasonable way to handle all the aspects of this?

i still would like to know what led the school to believe these two girls were having a relationship and if it happened on school grounds or on school time.